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June 27, 2004

Maureen Dowd and Damon Knight! Together again, for the first time. [06:46 PM]
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Comments on Maureen Dowd and Damon Knight!:

Bill Humphries ::: (view all by) ::: June 27, 2004, 07:17 PM:

>"I felt better afterwards," he told Neil Cavuto during a no-bid interview with Fox News. Hey, if it feels good, Dick, do it.

Snort! Best. Line. Ever.

elsbet vance ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 12:21 AM:

See, this is why I don't watch the news. I like to pretend our leaders have some modest amount of dignity.

Kathryn Cramer ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 10:24 AM:

Personally, I think W. is best served on the halfshell. After all, as Bob Dylan points out, even the President of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked.

Theophylact ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 11:13 AM:

Yeah, well, of course she only knows the Twilight Zone version, not the Knight story itself. But hey -- good enough for non-readers...

fidelio ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 11:50 AM:

Kathryn Cramer notes:
"After all, as Bob Dylan points out, even the President of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked."

Does that explain the nighttime business in Ireland, at the window and all? My first thought there was that my mother was right--you should always be wearing decent underwear because you never know...

Mr Bill ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 04:04 PM:

I hope some of youall saw the Billmon 'Whiskey Bar' post "Fondly Farenheit". All my fave sifi authors coming back as arcane references...
Oh bliss.

So, you survived the move? And no, it'll take weeks to sort stuff out.
But it will get better.

Mr Bill ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2004, 04:07 PM:

And I still wonder why Pat Lehey and the other Dems don't redouble their fire at Cheney and Halliburton. Where there's blue smoke...

Calimac ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 12:13 AM:

Somewhere (possibly on Political Animal) I read the comment of Leahy's press secretary, who said that he guesses this means that Cheney's previous calls for civility in politics are "inoperative."

I wonder how many younger folk today will catch the drift of that last word.

Dowd calls Cheney "Major League Potty Mouth." Shouldn't that be "Big Time" instead?

Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 02:19 AM:

Months ago my memory dredged up a line from the Nixon Era "Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw."

Then there was all that witchhunting of Clinton and the claims of his desecrating the Oval Office yaddayaddayadda... perhaps with Cheney's comment "I felt better afterwards," and his utter unrepentance and -pride- in being crudely insulting and offensive (oh, what erudition, not!), what was going on was Cheney's version of public orgasm.... After all, what's -lots- of hypocrisy to Bully Boy Bush and his Buddies? I'd taken to among other sobriquets referring to him as "Hubris Boy" but it seems applicable to Cheney, too.

Lee ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 07:04 AM:

What was Leahy doing? If Leahy was being Leahy he got less than he deserved. You think no fellow Democrat has spoken or thought the same thing?

Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 07:45 AM:

Of course Democratic officials use epithets like that. And when they do so in public, as for instance when Kerry casually remarked in an interview some months ago that George W. Bush had "fucked up" the occupation of Iraq, the Republican Party breaks out the scented handkerchiefs and goes into a synchronized swoon.

Mr. Bill, not only did I see that admirable Billmon post, I sidelighted it fully a day before you posted your comment...

Kathryn Cramer ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 10:31 AM:

Paula: And then there was the fine Nixon-era bumper-sticker, Nobody wants a crooked Dick.

Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 02:58 PM:

" And then there was the fine Nixon-era bumper-sticker, Nobody wants a crooked Dick."

I don't remember that one. The bumper stickers around here said, "Massachusetts, the One and Only," and, my all-time favorite bumper sticker,
"Let Teddy take Dicky for a ride."

Jeremy Leader ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 04:36 PM:

Paula, my father saw one that was in the shape of Massachusetts, and simply said "We told you so".

karenr ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 09:17 PM:

A friend reminisced happily about
"Impeach the Cox-Sacker" (seen after Archibald Cox was fired by good-ol Bork).

CHip ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2004, 11:20 PM:

Jeremy: when things went south for Nixon, there were plenty of variations on that sticker -- everything from "Nixon 49, America 1" to "Next time Massachusetts speaks, listen!". I've been thinking of those a lot when people creeb about MA being over the edge on gay marriage.

Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: July 05, 2004, 05:27 PM:

Those without a sense of history... the term "Boston marriage" was around long long ago for two adult women not biologically related who shared living quarters year after year after year as a domestic couple. Their private bedroom life was considered mostly their own business.

Meanwhile, I don't see what the Big Deal is about formalizing relationships that have existed for -decades- of same-gender couples. It's really going To Destroy the Cultural Fabric of the United States of America to provide legal social recognition and responsibility and authority to the members of a same-gender couple who've been together for decades, as opposed to Britney Spears or JLO or Senn Penn or Eddie Fischer and their Spouse of the Day?!

I surmise that Garden in the Woods in Framingham, Massachusetts, headquarters of The New England Wild Flower Society, one of if not the earliest organization of its type in the country dedicated to native flora, was the work of a homosexual couple, who lived and gardened there together for decades until-death-did-they-part and when both had passed on, the land was willed to the New England Wild Flower Society as its permanent home. They were obviously [major sarcasm] menaces to Society and the American Way of life, each spring thousands of people show up for the annual plant sale there clogging the roads in the area, and thousands of people visit the place, especially school children, every year, seeing native plants and taking classes in native plants. Leslie Turek, who chaired Noreascon II, is one of the volunteers there. Yup, major menace to society the two men whose life work included reclaiming land denuded of life by the railroad industry into a native flora preserve were....

Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: July 06, 2004, 12:43 PM:

"We Have a Boston Marriage" was one of the songs in the Gay Century Songbook, commissioned and performed by the NYC Gay Men's Chorus. (Well, "Boston Marriage" is performed mostly by two women, I think with backup from the chorus.) I'm no longer a member, but can be heard on the CD, which you can order here. There are also some samples there (RealAudio), in case you want to hear them...

I can be heard whining "I want to do the Mozart Requiem!" in the initial bits of the recording.

Kip W ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2004, 09:06 AM:

The Mozart Requiem was what I was playing on my Lyra when it decided it was going to be an ex-MP3 player. I should be getting my player (and its information) back this week. Maybe I'll fire up the Requiem. Or maybe I'll listen to Buddy Ebsen singing "Buckwheat Cakes" with Darlene first.

I'm still on? Doops.

jim bodie ::: (view all by) ::: July 16, 2004, 08:10 PM:

Hi Patrick, We're having the 30th anniversary of apa 50 this year ('74-'04) and we're celebrating with dinner in San Francisco on Saturday night 9/11/04. If any of our alums read this blog, they can contact me via e-mail for further details. jim bodie jcbodie@istal.com