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March 30, 2005

The schnozz of the fisherman. How strange to see the phrase “the Pope’s nose” used to refer to the actual Pope’s actual nose. [12:48 PM]
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Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2005, 01:49 PM:

Darn, they changed the headline. Perhaps I wasn't the only one to notice...

Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2005, 02:02 PM:

Perhaps related to the Buddha's sermon on meditating to speed up consciousness until one can feel each molecule of air striking the inside of one's nostril. Strangely, he got the right order of magnitude, as if his grad students had figured out Avogadro's Number many centuries early. Oh, wait a moment, the thread on Makinglight insists that Buddha was not a Catholic saint after all. If you believe that, the Pontifex has a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

mayakda ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2005, 03:40 PM:

Well, I hope The Holy Father has a living will signed and witnessed ...

Pat Lundrigan ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 08:00 AM:

I thought a "pope's nose" was that fatty lump of skin on a turkey where the neck used to be.

fidelio ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 10:01 AM:

Wrong end of the bird , Pat. Encarta claims:
Pope’s nose (plural pope’s nos·es)
noun

tail end of cooked bird: the fatty piece of flesh at the rear end of a cooked chicken, turkey, or other bird, to which the tail feathers were attached
Also called parson’s nose
U.K. term parson’s nose ( offensive in some contexts )

Which agrees with what I was taught growing up, although my mother always felt it was likely to be offensive in ALL contexts, and was intended to be so, by the (presumably) anticlerical originators of the term.

Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 11:00 AM:

The Pope's Contradictions

By Hans Küng
[Der Spegel, English Language, March 26, 2005]

Outwardly Pope John Paul II, who has been actively involved in battling war and suppression, is a beacon of hope for those who long for freedom. Internally, however, his anti-reformist tenure has plunged the Roman Catholic church into an epochal credibility crisis.

Larry Brennan ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 11:09 AM:

Hmm, I grew up semi-Catholic and we always called the bird's tail a Pope's nose. It always seemed a little naughty but not the kind of thing one would face eternal damnation for.

As with pretty much everything related to the Church, I have mixed feelings about John Paul II. Way too traditional, but he also speaks out forcefully on issues like captial punishment and social justice.

I certainly don't want to see the man suffer, and I fear who the College of Cardinals may elevate next. It's an all-around bad situation.

Now, Jerry Falwell, on the other hand, I have much less sympathy for.

Avram ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 11:43 AM:

Just wait till the Dominionists meet to elect a new Falwell, announcing their result with a belch of sulphurous hot air.

joe o ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2005, 08:37 PM:

I didn't know the Mingus song title actually meant something.

Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2005, 07:42 AM:

That's not just "a fatty lump of skin" or "piece of flesh", that's an important gland, that is!

Tho' I don't ever remember hearing it called a Pope's Nose, only ever a Parson's. Probably not related to the curate's egg.

It's being reported here that JP2 is insisting he will stay in the Papal Apartments instead of going to hospital again. Some are interpreting this as indicating he doesn't want the "extraordinary measures" of advanced medicine taken to keep him alive.

Aboulic ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2005, 07:53 PM:

I'm now preoccupied by wondering what the gland is and what it does. I'm also trying to remember if i've ever eaten one.

Dan R. ::: (view all by) ::: April 05, 2005, 11:57 AM:

When I first heard the phrase as a teenager, it struck me as odd and archaic. My father had used it at Thanksgiving with a wicked twinkle in his eye. It dawned on me after a minutes reflection that it was really an oblique suggestion that the orifice below the piece of anatomy in question was the Popes mouth, so that out of the Pope's mouth came...