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William de Say

Male - Bef 1272


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  William de Say was born in in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England (son of Geoffrey de Say and Hawise de Clare); died before 12 Feb 1272.

    Family/Spouse: Sibyl. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Hawise de Say died after 1317.
    2. William de Say was born on 20 Nov 1253 in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England; died before 16 Sep 1295.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Geoffrey de Say was born about 1180 in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England (son of Geoffrey de Say and Alice de Cheyne); died on 19 Aug 1230 in Poitou, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Hospital of St. Mary, Dover, Kent, England.

    Notes:

    Magna Carta surety.

    Geoffrey married Hawise de Clare before 1215. Hawise (daughter of Richard de Clare and Amice of Gloucester) died after 1234. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Hawise de Clare (daughter of Richard de Clare and Amice of Gloucester); died after 1234.
    Children:
    1. 1. William de Say was born in in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England; died before 12 Feb 1272.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Geoffrey de Say was born in in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England (son of William de Say and Beatrice de Mandeville); died before 19 May 1214.

    Geoffrey married Alice de Cheyne before 1180. Alice (daughter of John de Cheyne) died after 1184. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Alice de Cheyne (daughter of John de Cheyne); died after 1184.
    Children:
    1. 2. Geoffrey de Say was born about 1180 in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England; died on 19 Aug 1230 in Poitou, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Hospital of St. Mary, Dover, Kent, England.

  3. 6.  Richard de Clare was born about 1153 in of Clare, Suffolk, England (son of Roger de Clare and Maud de St. Hilary); died between 30 Oct 1217 and 28 Nov 1217.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1155
    • Alternate death: Nov 1217
    • Alternate death: 28 Nov 1217

    Notes:

    Earl of Hertford and of Gloucester. Also styled Earl of Clare.

    Along with his son Gilbert, he was one of the 25 Magna Carta sureties.

    Richard married Amice of Gloucester about 1180. Amice (daughter of William fitz Robert and Hawise of Leicester) died on 1 Jan 1225. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Amice of Gloucester (daughter of William fitz Robert and Hawise of Leicester); died on 1 Jan 1225.

    Notes:

    Also called Amice fitz William.

    According to RA, she was not "recognized" before her death as "Countess of Gloucester," despite CP's assertion to this effect. All contemporary charters and other documents involving her refer to her as countess of Clare, i.e., Hertford.

    Children:
    1. Maud de Clare died in 1213.
    2. 3. Hawise de Clare died after 1234.
    3. Gilbert de Clare was born about 1180; died on 25 Oct 1230 in Penrose, Brittany, France; was buried in Tewkesbury Abbey, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  William de Say (son of Jordan de Say and Lucy de Rumilly); died in Aug 1144 in Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aug 1147
    • Alternate death: Abt 1155

    Notes:

    Allegedly killed at the siege of Burwell Castle. But: "Complete Peerage, vol. 11, p. 464, notes that Henry of Huntingdon says he and Geoffrey de Mandeville, earl of Essex, were killed in August 1144, but note (f) summarises evidence that William survived Geoffrey (who did not die until September 1144). Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, p. 681, refers to the same evidence as proving his survival 'by a few years', and dates his death to c. 1155 (although elsewhere she repeats the traditional date)." [Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

    William married Beatrice de Mandeville. Beatrice (daughter of William I de Mandeville and Margaret fitz Eudes) was born about 1105; died before 19 Apr 1197 in Rickling, Saffron, Essex, England; was buried in Walden Abbey, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Beatrice de Mandeville was born about 1105 (daughter of William I de Mandeville and Margaret fitz Eudes); died before 19 Apr 1197 in Rickling, Saffron, Essex, England; was buried in Walden Abbey, Essex, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1100

    Children:
    1. 4. Geoffrey de Say was born in in of Edmonton, Middlesex, England; died before 19 May 1214.
    2. William de Say was born before 1140 in of Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire, England; died before 1 Aug 1177.

  3. 10.  John de Cheyne was born in in of Streat, Sussex, England.
    Children:
    1. 5. Alice de Cheyne died after 1184.

  4. 12.  Roger de Clare was born in 1116 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent, England (son of Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare and Alice of Chester); died in 1173; was buried in 1173 in Stoke by Clare Priory, Suffolk, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Aft 1115, of Clare, Herefordshire, England

    Notes:

    Also called Roger Fitz Richard. 2nd Earl of Hertford, but generally styled Earl of Clare.

    Roger married Maud de St. Hilary. Maud (daughter of James de St. Hilary du Harcourt and Aveline) was born in in of Field Dalling, Norfolk, England; died on 24 Dec 1193; was buried in Priory of Great Carbrooke, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 13.  Maud de St. Hilary was born in in of Field Dalling, Norfolk, England (daughter of James de St. Hilary du Harcourt and Aveline); died on 24 Dec 1193; was buried in Priory of Great Carbrooke, Norfolk, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 1195

    Notes:

    Also called Maud de St. Hilaire du Harcouet.

    Children:
    1. 6. Richard de Clare was born about 1153 in of Clare, Suffolk, England; died between 30 Oct 1217 and 28 Nov 1217.
    2. Aveline de Clare was born about 1172; died before 4 Jun 1225.

  6. 14.  William fitz Robert (son of Robert of Gloucester and Mabel fitz Robert); died on 23 Nov 1183; was buried in Kernsham Abbey, Somerset, England.

    Notes:

    Earl of Gloucester. Governor of Wareham Castle, 1144.

    "After Henry II's accession in 1154 William's status with his royal cousin began to change. The honour of Eudo Dapifer, which Henry had earlier promised to the earl's son, was given to another. Gloucester understandably yielded place of honour at court to members of the royal family like the king's brother William, and even to Robert, earl of Leicester, who was chief justiciar; but William was also regularly outranked by his uncle, Reginald, earl of Cornwall, who held no central administrative office. In the 1150s there is evidence of a certain ambivalence in Henry's government about Gloucester's right to be exempted from geld and other remittances. The earl's infrequent court appearances indicate that he was becoming a political outsider. Even though he was ultimately favoured by the bountiful royal fiscal patronage accorded to members of his class, served as a royal justice, and was promised that he would enjoy all the estates his father had held, William was to die with his career, earldom, and house in ruins." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

    William married Hawise of Leicester about 1150. Hawise (daughter of Robert of Meulan and Amice de Gael) died on 24 Apr 1197. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 15.  Hawise of Leicester (daughter of Robert of Meulan and Amice de Gael); died on 24 Apr 1197.

    Notes:

    Also called Hawise de Beaumont.

    Children:
    1. Isabel died on 14 Oct 1217.
    2. 7. Amice of Gloucester died on 1 Jan 1225.