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Alice Lacy

Female 1281 - 1348  (66 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Alice Lacy was born on 25 Dec 1281 (daughter of Henry Lacy and Margaret de Longespée); died on 1 Oct 1348.

    Family/Spouse: Thomas of Lancaster. Thomas (son of Edmund "Crouchback" and Blanche of Artois) died on 22 Mar 1322 in Pontefract, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Henry Lacy was born about 1250 (son of Edmund de Lacy and Alice di Saluzzo); died on 5 Feb 1310 in London, England; was buried in St. Paul's, London, England.

    Notes:

    Earl of Lincoln. Constable of Cheshire.

    Henry married Margaret de Longespée about 25 Dec 1256. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Margaret de Longespée (daughter of William Longespée and Maud de Clifford).
    Children:
    1. 1. Alice Lacy was born on 25 Dec 1281; died on 1 Oct 1348.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Edmund de Lacy was born about 1230 (son of John de Lacy and Margaret de Quincy); died on 2 Jun 1258; was buried in Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 5 Jun 1258

    Notes:

    Sometimes styled Earl of Lincoln.

    Edmund married Alice di Saluzzo in May 1247 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England. Alice (daughter of Manfredo III di Saluzzo and Beatrice of Savoy) died between 4 Oct 1309 and 12 Jul 1311. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Alice di Saluzzo (daughter of Manfredo III di Saluzzo and Beatrice of Savoy); died between 4 Oct 1309 and 12 Jul 1311.
    Children:
    1. Margaret de Lacy was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England.
    2. 2. Henry Lacy was born about 1250; died on 5 Feb 1310 in London, England; was buried in St. Paul's, London, England.

  3. 6.  William Longespée was born in in of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England (son of William Longespée and Idoine de Camville); died between 23 Dec 1256 and 3 Jan 1257.

    William married Maud de Clifford. Maud (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llewelyn) was born in in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Maud de Clifford was born in in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llewelyn); died between 1282 and 1285.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1 Dec 1281
    • Alternate death: 1282

    Notes:

    "He [John Giffard] married, 1stly, Maud, widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7), and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards." [Complete Peerage V:639-44]

    [footnote in CP to the above:] Maud Lungespee notified the King that John Giffard had abducted her from her manor of Canford, Dorset, and taken her against her will to his castle of Brimpsfield, and there detained her. John appeared before the King, and professed himself ready to prove that he did not abduct her against her will, and offered a fine of 300 marks for the marriage already contracted, as it was said, between them, provided she made no further complaint against him. On 10 March 1270/1 the King ordained that if she were not content, the said fine should be void,and John should stand his trial at a month from Easter. And as she was too unwell to appear before the King, commissioners were sent to inquire into the truth of the matter, and to certify the King thereof. John and Maud, and her Ist husband, William Lungespee, were all descended from Richard fitz Ponce. Why John Giffard should have referred to himself as being of the race of Le Lungespee as in the proof of age mentioned above he is said to have done--is not explicable; unless, indeed, the sobriquet was derived from the family of Clifford.

    Children:
    1. 3. Margaret de Longespée


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  John de Lacy was born about 1192 in of Pontefract, Yorkshire, England (son of Roger de Lacy and Maud de Clare); died on 22 Jul 1240; was buried in Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.

    Notes:

    Also called John of Chester. Earl of Lincoln. Magna Carta surety.

    Hereditary Constable of Chester; Keeper of Duninton Castle 1214; Constable of Whitchurch Castle 1233; Privy Councillor 1237; Sheriff of Cheshire 1237; Constable of Chester and Beeston Castles 1237.

    "In 1218 he went on the Fifth Crusade with Earl Ranulf of Chester and was present at the siege of Damietta." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    John married Margaret de Quincy before 21 Jun 1221. Margaret (daughter of Robert de Quincy and Hawise of Chester) was born before 1217; died before 30 Mar 1266 in Hampstead, Middlesex, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Margaret de Quincy was born before 1217 (daughter of Robert de Quincy and Hawise of Chester); died before 30 Mar 1266 in Hampstead, Middlesex, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1209

    Notes:

    Identified by Wightman as Margaret de Quincy, but his report of her parentage is wrong.

    "Margaret de Quincy, 2nd Countess of Lincoln suo jure (c. 1206 – March 1266) was a wealthy English noblewoman and heiress having inherited in her own right the Earldom of Lincoln and honours of Bolingbroke from her mother Hawise of Chester, received a dower from the estates of her first husband, and acquired a dower third from the extensive earldom of Pembroke following the death of her second husband, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke. Her first husband was John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln, by whom she had two children. He was created 2nd Earl of Lincoln by right of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret has been described as 'one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century'." [Wikipedia]

    Children:
    1. Maud de Lacy died in 1288-1289.
    2. 4. Edmund de Lacy was born about 1230; died on 2 Jun 1258; was buried in Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.

  3. 10.  Manfredo III di Saluzzo was born about 1204 (son of Bonifacio di Saluzzo and Maria di Torres); died before 12 Oct 1244.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1205
    • Alternate death: 29 Oct 1244

    Notes:

    Third marquis of Saluzzo. "As vassal of Emperor Friedrich II waged a long war with the pro-papal city of Milan but after 1234 played the role of peacemaker for his warring neighbors." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Manfredo married Beatrice of Savoy in Mar 1233. Beatrice (daughter of Amedee of Savoy and Marguerite of Burgundy) was born on 4 Mar 1223; died before 10 May 1259. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Beatrice of Savoy was born on 4 Mar 1223 (daughter of Amedee of Savoy and Marguerite of Burgundy); died before 10 May 1259.
    Children:
    1. 5. Alice di Saluzzo died between 4 Oct 1309 and 12 Jul 1311.
    2. Tomasso di Saluzzo was born in 1239 in Cuneo, Piedmont, Italy; died on 3 Dec 1296.

  5. 12.  William Longespée was born before 12 May 1205 (son of William I Longespée and Ela of Salisbury); died on 7 Feb 1249 in Mansourah, Egypt.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1208, of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1212
    • Alternate death: 7 Feb 1250, Mansourah, Egypt
    • Alternate death: 8 Feb 1250, Mansourah, Egypt

    Notes:

    Killed on crusade, at the Battle of Mansourah.

    William married Idoine de Camville after Apr 1216. Idoine (daughter of Richard de Camville and Eustache Basset) was born before 1206; died between 1 Jan 1251 and 21 Sep 1251. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Idoine de Camville was born before 1206 (daughter of Richard de Camville and Eustache Basset); died between 1 Jan 1251 and 21 Sep 1251.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 21 Sep 1252

    Children:
    1. Ela Longespée died before 22 Nov 1299.
    2. 6. William Longespée was born in in of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England; died between 23 Dec 1256 and 3 Jan 1257.

  7. 14.  Walter IV de Clifford was born in in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England (son of Walter III de Clifford); died before 23 Dec 1263.

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Herefordshire 1215-16. Constable of Carmarthen and Cardigan castles in 1228. Fought in Ireland, 1210, and in Wales, 1257, 1258, 1260, and 1263.

    Called Walter III de Clifford by many of the sources cited here, but Peter Stewart (citation details below) says that this represents a conflation of III and IV, and that it was IV whose second wife was Margred ferch Llywellyn of Wales who was the mother of his heiress.

    Walter married Margaret ferch Llewelyn before 2 Nov 1234. Margaret (daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and (One of the several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth)) died in 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Margaret ferch Llewelyn (daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and (One of the several mistresses of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth)); died in 1265.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1268

    Notes:

    Also known as Marared; Margred; Margaret of Wales; Margaret of North Wales.

    Notes on the parentage of Gwladus and Margaret, daughters of Llwelyn ap Fawr:

    Complete Peerage (IX: 276) and Royal Ancestry both give Gwladus as a daughter of Joan of England. Royal Ancestry gives Margaret as an illegitimate daughter of Llywelyn.

    The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography says that Joan was "probably" the mother of Gwladus and Margaret.

    In The American Genealogist 41:99 (1965), Walter Lee Sheppard notes that "DNB's account gives Joan only the son David with Helen as probable. Lloyd's History of Wales [...] includes a chart so drawn as to make the maternity of the daughters questionable, and omits Angharad altogether. Prof. Thomas Jones Pierce in his article on Joan in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography names David, but does not mention the daughters at all; but then his cited sources are ony DNB and Lloyd's History of Wales in earlier editions. The correspondence of the writer with Sir Anthony Richard Wagner, Garter Principal King of Arms, however, indicates that all these daughters, with the exception of Gwladys, have been accepted by Major Francis Jones, best known authority on Welsh pedigrees, and based on British Museum Manuscript Add. 15041, on folio 12a, which shows Joan to be mother of David, Gwenlian, Angharad, and Margaret. It is interesting to note that [Complete Peerage] 9:276, under Mortimer of Wigmore, identifies Gwaldys as Joan's daughter."

    Later in the same publication, TAG 41:22, Sheppard provides an addendum, first quoting a letter from E. D. Jones, Librarian of the National Library of Wales: "Robert Vaughan of Hengwrt, a reliable seventeenth century authority, makes Gwladys full sister to Gruffydd, therefore the daughter of Tangwystl. He makes Gwenllian, Angharad and Marred (Margaret) to be daughters of Joan. I am inclined to accept the view that Gwladys Ddu was the daughter of Tangwystl, but in the absence of contemporary records it is not wise to be too dogmatic." Sheppard then continues: "Sir Anthony Richard Wagner KCVO, Garter Principal King of Arms, in a letter to the writer dated 24 Sept. 1964, states that he would accept Margaret as Joan's daughter and, presumably, the other daughters, except Gwladys. He refers to Major Francis Jones and the previously cited British Museum Additional MS, which shows Joan to be mother of David, and points out that the chronology also fits."

    Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies (1974-83, searchable here; use the search term "Gruffudd ap Cynan 04"), gives Tangwystl as the mother of Gwladus and Joan as the probable mother of Margaret.

    William Addams Reitwiesner's "The Children of Joan, Princess of North Wales," in The Genealogist 1:80, Spring 1980, argues that we have no certain basis for regarding Joan as the mother of any of Llywelyn's daughters.

    On 9 April 1999, Douglas Richardson posted the following to SGM: "As for the Welsh tradition that any son, legitimate or otherwise, could make a claim to succeed Llywelyn, you may recall that Llywelyn and his son, David, went out of their way to have David recognized as Llywelyn's sole heir, to the exclusion of Llywelyn's illegitimate sons. To accomplish this, they had Llywelyn's wife, Joan, legitimized. The legitimization of Joan was no small feat seeing she was surely born out of wedlock to King John's mistress. Also, they sent David to England to be recognized as Llywelyn's sole heir by the English overlord, David's own uncle, King Henry III. Interestingly, the records of this trip show that David was accompanied by none other than his sister, Gladys. Due to the nature of this trip, it seems odd that Gladys would accompany David on this trip, UNLESS she too was a legitimate child of Llywelyn and Joan. These two pieces of evidence convince me that Gladys was legitimate."

    Children:
    1. 7. Maud de Clifford was born in in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285.