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Robert de Thweng

Male - Bef 1285


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Robert de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England (son of Marmaduke de Thweng and Lucy de Brus); died before 1285.

    Family/Spouse: Alice de Merlay. Alice (daughter of Roger de Merlay and Isabel de Ros) was born about 1258; died before 7 Feb 1268. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Lucy de Thweng died on 8 Jun 1346; was buried in Guisborough, Yorkshire, England.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England (son of Robert de Thweng and Maud de Kilton); died between 1282 and 1284.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1284
    • Alternate death: Aft 1294

    Notes:

    MP in 1294, according to Ancestral Roots; note, however, that this is after the death dates given by ODNP, CP, and RA.

    Pilgrimage to Santiago, 1262. Captured by Hugh le Despenser at the battle of Lewes. Summoned for service against the Scots in 1258 and the Welsh in 1264 and 1283.

    Marmaduke married Lucy de Brus about 1242. Lucy (daughter of Peter de Brus and Hawise de Lancaster) died after 29 Mar 1282. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Lucy de Brus (daughter of Peter de Brus and Hawise de Lancaster); died after 29 Mar 1282.
    Children:
    1. Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died before 26 Feb 1323.
    2. 1. Robert de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died before 1285.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Robert de Thweng was born in in of Thwing, Bridlington, Yorkshire, England (son of Marmaduke de Thweng); died between 1245 and 1257.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 17 Jun 1246

    Notes:

    Also known by the alias "William Wither."

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    In 1231 he became conspicuous for his opposition to the Roman and Italian clergy who had received papal provision to churches in England. With the assistance of the archbishop of York, an Italian had been intruded to the church of Kirkleatham, the advowson of which Robert and his wife had recovered in 1230 following litigation against the prior of Guisborough. Robert adopted the alias William Wither, literally 'William the Angry'; he placed himself at the head of an armed agitation against the foreigners and about Easter 1232 pillaged their corn and barns and distributed the spoils among the poor. In response to complaints from the pope Henry III ordered the arrest of various leading courtiers who were implicated in these disturbances, including Hubert de Burgh (d. 1243), the chief justiciar, who is said to have lent tacit support to the 'Withermen' out of anger at a papal inquiry into the legality of his marriage. Thwing is later to be found witnessing a charter of Hubert's son, John de Burgh, but in 1232 there is nothing to suggest that Hubert and Thwing were in any way close associates. Thwing himself was sent by the king for absolution in Rome. In 1239 he made a second visit to Rome, carrying with him a general letter of complaint from the English barons. Perhaps through the influence of Richard, earl of Cornwall, to whose household Thwing had attached himself, he obtained letters from Pope Gregory IX (r. 1227-41) protecting the rights of lay patrons against papal provision. Early in the following year Thwing set out with Earl Richard on crusade. In September 1240, from Marseilles, he was sent as an envoy to the emperor, Frederick II (r. 1212-50), with information about the pope's attempts to delay the crusade. As a result, he may never have reached the Holy Land. In 1244 he was accused of making a violent attack upon a clerk of the archbishop of York in the king's hall at Windsor. His lands were seized, but restored the following year.

    Robert married Maud de Kilton before Jan 1229. Maud (daughter of Roger de Kilton) was born in in of Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Maud de Kilton was born in in of Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England (daughter of Roger de Kilton).

    Notes:

    "[P]ossibly dau. of Roger de Kilton". [CP]

    Children:
    1. 2. Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died between 1282 and 1284.

  3. 6.  Peter de Brus was born before 1201 in of Skelton, Yorkshire, England (son of Peter de Brus and Joan of Chester); died before 15 Nov 1240.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1247

    Notes:

    Richardson, Royal Ancestry, has this Peter (Piers) de Brus dying "7 Sept., before 1247, probably in 1240." He mentions nothing about him being a "Crusader."

    The Wallop Family says he died at Marseilles, 1247.

    Ancestral Roots, 8th ed. (2004) is very confused about this individual, varying his parentage and at least once conflating him with his father:

    Ancestral Roots, 88-28:
    28. HAWISE (or HELWISE) DE LANCASTER, m. PIERS (PETER) DE BRUS (136-26), d. bef. 1247, Crusader, Lord of Skelton, son of Piers de Brus and Joan le Grammaire. (CP V: 269; VCH Lanc. I: 357-366.)

    Ancestral Roots, 136-25 and 136-26:
    25. AGNES, m. (1) William de Roumare, d. 1151; m. (2) Piers (Peter) I de Brus, Lord of Skelton, d. Feb 1218/9, son of Adam de Brus, by Joan le Grammaire, dau. Richard le Grammaire of Knottington, co. York. (West Winter XIII.84; ES II/46; CP V: 269, VII 373.)
    26. PIERS (PETER) DE BRUS, d. bef. 1222, bur. Guisborough, Lord of Skelton, co. York, Crusader; m. abt. 1210/15, HAWISE (or HELWISE) DE LANCASTER (88-28). (CP V: 267; West Winter, XIV.145; VCH Lanc. I: 357-366; Bank I: 431-432; Farrar, EYC II:15, III: 87.)

    Ancestral Roots, 184B-8:
    8. SIR WALTER DE FAUCONBERGE, 1st Lord Fauconberge, lord of Rise & Withernwick in Holderness, d. 1/2 Nov 1304; m. by Nov, 1243, AGNES DE BRUS (136-27), d. abt. 1280, dau. & coh. PIERS (PETER) II DE BRUS (136-26), d. 1222, Lord of Skelton, co. York, and HAWISE (or HELEWISE) DE LANCASTER (88-28). (CP V: 267-269; Clay, 69.)

    Peter married Hawise de Lancaster before 1219. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Hawise de Lancaster (daughter of Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid and Hawise de Lancaster).

    Notes:

    Also called Helewise fitz Renfrid, Hawise Fitzgilbert.

    Children:
    1. 3. Lucy de Brus died after 29 Mar 1282.
    2. Agnes de Brus died between May 1276 and May 1279; was buried in Guisborough Priory, Yorkshire, England.
    3. Margaret de Brus died before 30 Jan 1307.
    4. Ladrana de Brus died before 1301.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Marmaduke de Thweng was born before 1178 (son of Robert de Thweng and Emma Darel); died about 1230.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 23 Nov 1234
    • Alternate death: Aft Nov 1234

    Notes:

    Sided with the barons against John. Justice itinerant and coroner of Yorkshire.

    "Was a surety in 1199 for Richard Malebysse, who had led an attack on Jews sheltering in York castle." [Complete Peerage]

    "Marmaduke was imprisoned for homicide in 1204, although the exact details of the crime are unclear. In the same year Marmaduke paid 100s. to be placed in the custody of twelve lawful men and his sureties, including Peter de Brus, paid a fine of 40 marks and pledged themselves to prevent him from causing further disorder. Marmaduke was evidently released shortly afterwards and he served as a juror in 1208. He joined the baronial opposition to the crown during the civil war after 1215, but in 1217 he made peace with the minority government of Henry III and thereafter he appears to have been active as a royal official in northern England." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

    Children:
    1. 4. Robert de Thweng was born in in of Thwing, Bridlington, Yorkshire, England; died between 1245 and 1257.

  2. 10.  Roger de Kilton (son of Ilger).
    Children:
    1. 5. Maud de Kilton was born in in of Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England.

  3. 12.  Peter de Brus was born in in of Skelton, Yorkshire, England (son of Adam II de Brus and Juetta de Arches); died in 1222.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 3 Feb 1222
    • Alternate death: 12 Feb 1222

    Notes:

    Took the side of the barons against John. Patron of Guisborough Priory.

    Peter married Joan of Chester. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 13.  Joan of Chester (daughter of John fitz Richard and Alice fitz Roger).

    Notes:

    Also called Joan de Lacy, Joan le Grammaire.

    Children:
    1. 6. Peter de Brus was born before 1201 in of Skelton, Yorkshire, England; died before 15 Nov 1240.

  5. 14.  Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid (son of Roger fitz Reinfrid and Alice Foliot); died in 1219.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 5 May 1220, of Kendal, Westmorland, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 6 May 1220

    Notes:

    Also called Gilbert fitz Roger. "Steward to Henry II, in France 118-89, and later to Richard I; was justice of the King's Court 1185, sheriff of Lancashire 1205-1216, and of Yorkshire 1209-1212." [Ancestral Roots]

    Andrew Lancaster (citation details below):

    Gilbert Fitz Reinfred. Often referred to in his charters in a more complete way as Gilbert son of Roger Fitz Reinfred. (Reinfred seems to have been his grandfather.) His ancestors are thought to have also used the name or title of "De Bruere".

    Gilbert was William de Lancaster II's son-in-law, but sometimes dubiously said to be a distant relative of the de Lancasters, with various groundless connections between Reinfrid, Taillebois and Workington being spread over the internet.

    More seriously, he is argued to have been the first Lord of Kendal who was really a Baron of Kendal. He was an important man, who was constantly in the retinue of King Henry while in France in 1180-89. Later, he also took part in the incidents surrounding the creation of the Magna Carta in the time of King John, leading to his sons imprisonment during action taking place near Rochester. His children's marriages show a very strong alliance with yet another Anglo-Scottish dynasty, the "De Brus" family. He was Sheriff of Lancaster from 1205 to 1215.

    Gilbert married Hawise de Lancaster before 20 Jul 1189. Hawise (daughter of William de Lancaster and Helewise de Stuteville) died after Sep 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 15.  Hawise de Lancaster (daughter of William de Lancaster and Helewise de Stuteville); died after Sep 1226.

    Notes:

    Or Helwise.

    Shown in CP (XII/1, p. 739) as "da. and coh. of William de Lancaster (d. 1246), lord of Kendal, Westmorland." We are showing the ancestry for her given in Ancestral Roots, and also by Andrew Lancaster.

    "Hawise de Lancastre. William's heir. Perhaps the only child of William de Lancaster with his known wife Hawise de Stuteville. Became a ward of the 'perfect knight' William le Mareschal, and was eventually married to Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid, with the permission of king Henry II." [Andrew Lancaster, citation details below.]

    Children:
    1. 7. Hawise de Lancaster