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Margaret de Quincy

Female Bef 1223 - Bef 1281  (< 58 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Margaret de Quincy was born Bef 1223 (daughter of Roger de Quincy and Helen of Galloway); died Bef 12 Mar 1281.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 1294

    Margaret married William de Ferrers Bef 1239. William (son of William de Ferrers and Agnes of Chester) was born Abt 1193, of Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England; died 24 Mar 1254, Evington, Leicestershire, England; was buried 31 Mar 1254, Merevale Abbey, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. Joan de Ferrers died 19 Mar 1310; was buried , Abbey Church of St. Augustine, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England.
    2. Robert de Ferrers was born Abt 1239; died Abt 1279; was buried , St. Thomas Priory, Staffordshire, England.
    3. William de Ferrers was born Abt 1240, of Groby, Leicestershire, England; died Bef 20 Dec 1287.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Roger de Quincy was born Abt 1195 (son of Saher de Quincy and Margaret of Leicester); died 25 Apr 1264.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England

    Notes:

    Earl of Winchester. In right of his first wife, hereditary Constable of Scotland. "At his death he was probably the greatest Anglo-Scottish landowner of his day" [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography].

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    "Little is known of Roger de Quincy before 1219. He was probably the son whom Saer delivered to King John in 1213 as a Scottish hostage for the security of the Anglo-Scottish treaty of 1212. He emerged onto the political stage in 1215 when, along with Saer and the leaders of the baronial rebellion against John, he was excommunicated by Innocent III (r. 1198–1216), but did not figure prominently in the civil war that followed the king's death. [...]

    "Roger de Quincy did not hold the prominence in politics that his father had commanded in England [...] but his wealth secured him an important role. In 1239 and 1246 he joined in written remonstrances from the English nobility to Gregory IX (r. 1227–41) and Innocent IV (r. 1243–54) concerning papal interference in English affairs. Association with the stirrings of dissatisfaction with the government of Henry III expressed in the parliaments of 1248 and 1254 led to identification with the baronial opposition in 1258. At the Oxford parliament Quincy was elected by the barons to the twelve-member commission charged with attendance at the three annual parliaments provided for under the provisions of Oxford, and was appointed also to the committee that arranged the financial aid promised to Henry. In 1259 he led a delegation to St Omer to intercept Richard, earl of Cornwall (d. 1272), and forbid him to return to England until he had sworn to observe the provisions of Oxford. This appears to have been Roger de Quincy's last major act, for he played little part in subsequent events which culminated in open conflict between the king and his baronial opponents, and died on 25 April 1264, eighteen days after Henry had precipitated the country into civil war."

    Roger married Helen of Galloway. Helen (daughter of Alan fitz Roland and (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy)) died Aft 21 Nov 1245; was buried , Brackley, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Helen of Galloway (daughter of Alan fitz Roland and (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy)); died Aft 21 Nov 1245; was buried , Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.

    Notes:

    Also called Ellen.

    Alan Fitz Roland, often called Alan of Galloway, married three times. His first wife was a daughter of Roger of Chester, who is often called Roger de Lacy. His second wife was Margaret of Scotland, daughter of David, Earl of Huntington. His third wife was a daughter of Hugh de Lacy, 1st Earl of Ulster.

    The presence of two marriages to daughters of men called de Lacy, both of which daughters' names have been lost, has created understandable confusion. Many online sources show Alan Fitz Roland's daughter Ellen as a daughter of his third marriage. In fact she was a daughter of his first; her maternal grandfather was Roger of Chester, also called Roger de Lacy -- not Hugh de Lacy. To the best of our knowledge, Alan Fitz Roland's third marriage was without issue.

    Children:
    1. Elizabeth de Quincy died Bef 4 May 1303.
    2. Ellen de Quincy was born Abt 1222, Winchester, Hampshire, England; died Bef 20 Aug 1296.
    3. 1. Margaret de Quincy was born Bef 1223; died Bef 12 Mar 1281.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Saher de Quincy was born 1155, Winchester, Hampshire, England (son of Robert de Quincy and Orabel fitz Ness); died 3 Nov 1219, Damietta, Egypt; was buried , Acre, Palestine.

    Notes:

    Earl of Winchester. Also spelled Saier, Saer.

    Magna Carta surety.

    Steward of the King 1205-7; Constable of Fotheringay Castle 1215; Judge in the King's Court 1211, 1213-14; Keeper of Canford and Hedingham Castles 1214.

    Died in the Fifth Crusade. His heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family. The rest of him was buried in Acre. [Royal Ancestry]

    Saher married Margaret of Leicester Bef 1173. Margaret (daughter of Robert de Bréteuil and Pernel de Grandmesnil) died 12 Jan 1235. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Margaret of Leicester (daughter of Robert de Bréteuil and Pernel de Grandmesnil); died 12 Jan 1235.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 1236

    Notes:

    Or Margery. [Royal Ancestry]

    Also known as Margaret de Beaumont.

    Children:
    1. Robert de Quincy died 1217, London, England.
    2. Hawise de Quincy died Aft 1263; was buried , Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England.
    3. Orabel de Quincy
    4. 2. Roger de Quincy was born Abt 1195; died 25 Apr 1264.
    5. Robert de Quincy was born Bef 1200, of Wakes Colne, Essex, England; died Aug 1257.

  3. 6.  Alan fitz Roland (son of Roland fitz Uchtred and Ellen de Morville); died Abt 2 Feb 1234; was buried , Dundrennan Abbey, Kircudbright, Scotland.

    Notes:

    Also called Alan of Galloway. Hereditary Constable of Scotland.

    Present at Magna Carta as an advisor to King John.

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    "Cross-border landholding and kinship with King John of England made Alan a man of consequence in both realms. His relationship with the king of Scots, based on loose overlordship rather than feudal subordination, allowed freedom of manoeuvre where his actions did not conflict with Scottish interests. Galloway's military resources and substantial fleet gave added influence; Alan's aid was courted unsuccessfully by John for his 1210 campaign against the Ulster Lacys, but he agreed to send one thousand men for the abortive Welsh campaign of 1212. [...]

    "From 1225 Alan used the freedom afforded by the loose overlordship of the Scottish crown to interfere in the feud between King Ragnvald of Man and his half-brother, Olaf. His private interest, arising from efforts to secure Antrim with Ragnvald's support against the threat of a Lacy restoration, coincided at first with Anglo-Scottish policy towards the region and received the tacit support of his Scottish overlord. The prospect of a pro-Scottish client in Man led Alexander II to acquiesce to the marriage in 1226 of Alan's bastard son, Thomas, to Ragnvald's daughter, but the marriage provoked revolt against Ragnvald. Despite the support of Galwegian galleys and warriors, Ragnvald was overthrown and slain in 1229 by Olaf. Alan's ensuing attempts to conquer Man for Thomas destabilized the Hebrides and western highlands, thereby threatening Scottish territorial interests, and in 1230–31 prompted active Norwegian support for Olaf. Joint action by Alan and Alexander averted catastrophe, but Scottish and Galwegian interests had diverged and the 1231 campaign marked the end of further Galwegian involvement in the Manx succession; Alan's dynastic ambitions had caused an undesirable war with a major foreign power."

    From Wikipedia:

    "Although under the traditional Celtic custom of Galloway, Alan's illegitimate son could have succeeded to the Lordship of Galloway, under the feudal custom of the Scottish realm, Alan's nearest heirs were his surviving daughters. Using Alan's death as an opportunity to further integrate Galloway within his realm, Alexander forced the partition of the lordship amongst Alan's daughters. Alan was the last legitimate ruler of Galloway, descending from the native dynasty of Fergus, Lord of Galloway."

    Alan married (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy) Between 1200 and 1205. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy) (daughter of Roger de Lacy and Maud de Clare).
    Children:
    1. 3. Helen of Galloway died Aft 21 Nov 1245; was buried , Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Robert de Quincy was born , of Tranant, East Lothian, Scotland (son of Saher I de Quincy and Maud de Senlis); died Aft 20 Aug 1201.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Buckby, Northamptonshire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 29 Sep 1197
    • Alternate death: Bef 1208

    Notes:

    Or de Quency. [Royal Ancestry] Justiciar of Scotland; Crusader.

    Robert married Orabel fitz Ness. Orabel (daughter of Ness fitz William) died Bef 30 Jun 1203. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Orabel fitz Ness (daughter of Ness fitz William); died Bef 30 Jun 1203.

    Notes:

    Countess of Mar. Also called Orabel de Leuchars.

    Children:
    1. 4. Saher de Quincy was born 1155, Winchester, Hampshire, England; died 3 Nov 1219, Damietta, Egypt; was buried , Acre, Palestine.

  3. 10.  Robert de Bréteuil was born , of Leicester, Leicestershire, England (son of Robert of Meulan and Amice de Gael); died 1190; was buried , Durazzo, Greece.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Bef 1135
    • Alternate death: 31 Aug 1190, At sea
    • Alternate death: 31 Aug 1190, Romania

    Notes:

    Earl of Leicester. Also known as Robert de Beaumont. According to Complete Peerage, nicknamed ès Blanchemains, which translates as "white-hands".

    Steward of England and Normandy; seigneur of Bréteuil and Paci in Normandy. In 1173, he supported Prince Henry, the "young king," in his rebellion against his father Henry II, and in consequence he and his wife were imprisoned by the elder Henry from fall 1173 to fall 1174.

    Died on the way to Jerusalem. Durazzo is now the city of Durres in Albania.

    Robert married Pernel de Grandmesnil 1155. Pernel (daughter of William de Grandmesnil) died 1 Apr 1212. [Group Sheet]


  4. 11.  Pernel de Grandmesnil (daughter of William de Grandmesnil); died 1 Apr 1212.

    Notes:

    Called "Petronilla" in many sources.

    Royal Ancestry gives her as the "daughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil of Hinckley, Leicestershire."

    Complete Peerage says "[Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1190)] m., before 1155-1159, Pernel (Petronilla), heiress of the Norman honour of Grandmesnil, great-granddaughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, but her ancestry has not been discovered. (h)
    "Note (h):
    "Hugh de Grandmesnil, the Domesday tenant, had five sons -- Robert, William, Hugh, Ives and Aubrey ... Robert, the eldest son, inherited the Norman lands which are later found in Robert FitzPernel's hands [i.e. Robert, Earl of Leicester (d. 1204), the son of Pernel]. He m., 1stly, Agnes, da. of Ranulph de Bayeux; 2ndly, Emma, da. of Robert d'Estouteville; and, 3rdly, Lucy, da. of Savary FitzCana (Orderic, vol. iii, p. 359). ... if she [Pernel] inherited the Norman lands she would in all probability be a daughter of a son of Hugh's son Robert. Hugh's father and son are both called Robert, and if this alternating nomenclature -- a very usual system -- was continued, a son of Robert the younger would be named Hugh. This is the name given to Pernel's father in the foundation narrative of Leicester Abbey, and although the story told there is fictitious ... it is possible that the writer may have had before him a document such as a list of obits giving the authentic name. It is not claimed that this suggested descent is more than speculative."

    Chris Phillips, in his Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage, Volume 7: Leicester, says "In fact, Pernel's father was called William, as shown by a charter for St-Evroult discovered by David Crouch [The Beaumont Twins, p.91, citing the Cartulary of St-Evroult, ii, fo 33v]. However, the argument that her grandfather is likely to have been Robert, the eldest son of Hugh de Grandmesnil, still seems sound. To some extent it is supported by the following evidence.

    "In 1157, Henry II confirmed gifts made to the hospital of Falaise by William de Grentmesnil and others [Cal. Docs France, no 1157]. By an undated charter (perhaps from 1160 or later), one Beatrix de Rye gave land to the abbey of St Jean of Falaise, for the well-being of her mother Emma and of her brother William de Grentemesnil [Lechaude d'Anisy, Extrait des Chartes ... dans les archives du Calvados, vol.1, p.232, no 9 (1834)]. It seems likely that this Beatrix was a daughter of Robert de Grandmesnil by his second wife, Emma d'Estouteville, particularly as the name Beatrix occurs in the Estouteville family, and was possibly borne by Emma's mother [C.T. Clay, ed., Early Yorkshire Charters, vol.9, p.2 (1952)]. If so, this would confirm that Robert also had a son William, who would probably be Pernel's father.

    "Note that K.S.B. Keats-Rohan [Domesday People I, p. 263 (1999)] states that Pernel's father William was the son of Robert by Emma d'Estouteville, but no evidence is cited for the relationship."

    Children:
    1. 5. Margaret of Leicester died 12 Jan 1235.
    2. Amicie de Beaumont died 3 Sep 1215.

  5. 12.  Roland fitz Uchtred was born , of Galloway, Perthshire, Scotland (son of Uchtred of Galloway and Gunnild of Dunbar); died 19 Dec 1200, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried , Priory of St. Andrew, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England.

    Notes:

    Also called Lachlan, de Galwaye, Galloway. "Known in his youth as Lachlan, his preference in adulthood for being known as Roland, the Norman-French equivalent of Lachlan, symbolizes the spread of foreign influences into Galloway which followed the overthrow in 1160 of his grandfather, Fergus of Galloway." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

    Hereditary Constable of Scotland, 1196-1200 (jure uxoris).

    Roland married Ellen de Morville Bef 1185. Ellen (daughter of Richard de Morville and Avice de Lancaster) died 11 Jun 1217, Galloway, Perthshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet]


  6. 13.  Ellen de Morville (daughter of Richard de Morville and Avice de Lancaster); died 11 Jun 1217, Galloway, Perthshire, Scotland.
    Children:
    1. 6. Alan fitz Roland died Abt 2 Feb 1234; was buried , Dundrennan Abbey, Kircudbright, Scotland.
    2. Devorguilla of Galloway died Aft Jan 1240.

  7. 14.  Roger de Lacy was born Abt 1165, of Halton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England (son of John fitz Richard and Alice fitz Roger); died 1 Oct 1211; was buried , Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Jan 1212

    Notes:

    Also called Roger of Chester, Roger Helle, Roger de Lisours.

    Hereditary Constable of Cheshire; Sheriff of Lancashire. Sheriff of York and Chester, 1204-10. Was at the storming of Acre, 1191. "His raids against the Welsh are said to have earned him the nickname 'Roger of Hell.'" [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz]

    Roger married Maud de Clare. Maud (daughter of Richard de Clare and Amice of Gloucester) died 1213. [Group Sheet]


  8. 15.  Maud de Clare (daughter of Richard de Clare and Amice of Gloucester); died 1213.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 10 Jul 1220

    Children:
    1. 7. (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy)
    2. John de Lacy was born Abt 1192, of Pontefract, Yorkshire, England; died 22 Jul 1240; was buried , Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.