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Maud de Lucy

Female - Aft 1170


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Maud de Lucy (daughter of Richard de Lucy and Rohese de Boulogne); died after 1170.

    Family/Spouse: Walter fitz Robert. Walter (son of Robert fitz Richard and Maud de Senlis) was born before 1134 in of Little Dunmow, Essex, England; died in 1198 in Little Dunmow, Essex, England; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Robert fitz Walter was born in in Little Dunmow, Essex, England; died on 9 Dec 1235.
    2. Alice fitz Walter

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Richard de Lucy was born between 1105 and 1110 in Luce, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France (son of Aveline Goth); died on 14 Jul 1179 in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England; was buried in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England.

    Notes:

    Or de Luci; de Lusci; de Luscy. Called "The Loyal."

    Sheriff of Essex, 1154; Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire, 1155-1157; Chief Justice of England under Henry II.

    Died as a cloister member, having resigned his office after Easter 1179.

    Richard married Rohese de Boulogne between 1130 and 1135. Rohese (daughter of William of Boulogne) was born in in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Rohese de Boulogne was born in in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England (daughter of William of Boulogne); died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1153

    Notes:

    "Richard de Lucy's only known wife was Rose, who died sometime before Queen Maud's death in 1152. Queen Maud and her son and heir, Eustace, witnessed a notification by Richard that he had, 'granted to the canons of Holy Trinity, London, in frank almoin, 20s. yearly rent from Niweton [Newington] for the soul of Roheis his wife, who is buried in their church...'" ["A Rose by Any Other Name: Another Daughter of Richard de Lucy," citation details below. Notwithstanding this, King Stephen's wife Maud actually died in 1151.]

    Children:
    1. Alice de Lucy died before 1219.
    2. 1. Maud de Lucy died after 1170.
    3. Aveline de Lucy died before 1219.
    4. Godfrey de Lucy
    5. Reynold de Lucy died about Jan 1199.
    6. Rose de Lucy
    7. Geoffrey de Lucy was born in in of Newington, Kent, England; died before 1179.


Generation: 3

  1. 5.  Aveline Goth was born in in of Newington, Kent, England; died after 1131.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1078, Normandy, France

    Notes:

    "Kinswoman and co-heiress of William Goth." [Royal Ancestry]

    "Sister of William Goth. The latter was an allodial lord along the River Sarthe, temp. William I." [Henry James Young, citation details below]

    Children:
    1. 2. Richard de Lucy was born between 1105 and 1110 in Luce, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 14 Jul 1179 in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England; was buried in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England.

  2. 6.  William of Boulogne was born about 1085 in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England (son of Geoffrey of Boulogne and Beatrice de Mandeville); died before 1130.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1159

    Children:
    1. 3. Rohese de Boulogne was born in in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England.
    2. Faramus of Boulogne was born about 1105 in of Tingry, Pas de Calais, France; died between 1183 and 1184.


Generation: 4

  1. 12.  Geoffrey of Boulogne was born about 1060 in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England (son of Eustache II of Boulogne and Godgifu of England); died after 1086.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1045
    • Alternate death: 1105

    Notes:

    Many sources show him as a bastard son of Eustace of Boulogne by an unknown mistress. In "The Parentage of Geoffrey fitz Eustace (c. 1045-1105)" (Foundations 10:98, 2018), Kim Anderson and Richard Joscelyne make a good case that he was probably a legitimate son of Eustace by his first wife, Godgifu.

    Was Godfrey the crusader the same Geoffrey that married Beatrice de Mandeville? This claim pops up in many places; people doing personal genealogical research are most likely to encounter it in David H. Kelley's essay in Ancestral Roots, eighth edition (line 158A). The short answer: No.

    Both were sons of Eustace II, albeit by different mothers. The claim that they were a single person doesn't hold up. Todd A. Farmerie: "Murray's analysis takes the sole argument in favor of this connection, that the names Geoffrey and Godfrey were, at the time, synonymous, and shows it to be false. This leaves us with two men with the same father but different names, ending up in different places and conflicting family histories -- one with documented children, the other remembered as unmarried and childless -- without the slightest reason to suggest that they were anything but siblings other than personal preference." Additionally, Boulogne and Bouillon are completely different places. Godfrey/Geoffrey's Boulogne is the one on the north coast of France, now called Boulogne-sur-Mer. The region surrounding it, Boulonnais, became an earldom in the ninth century and was later brought to the crown of England by Maud of Boulogne's marriage to Stephen of Blois.

    Geoffrey married Beatrice de Mandeville before 1084. Beatrice (daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Adeliza de Balts) was born in in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 13.  Beatrice de Mandeville was born in in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England (daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Adeliza de Balts).
    Children:
    1. 6. William of Boulogne was born about 1085 in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 1130.