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Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.

Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.

Male 1914 - 1998  (84 years)

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr. was born 2 Feb 1914, Toronto, Ontario (son of Richard Edwards Gyles and Lottie Couch); died 12 Feb 1998, Flint, Genesee, Michigan.

    Richard married Laura Herbert 4 Jun 1944, Flint, Genesee, Michigan. Laura was born 12 Dec 1915, British Columbia; died 16 Aug 1975, Flint, Genesee, Michigan. [Group Sheet]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Richard Edwards GylesRichard Edwards Gyles was born 13 Aug 1886, Penzance, Cornwall, England (son of Thomas Gyles and Mary Edwards); died 27 Jan 1945, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 Oct 1889, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Emigrated to Canada 1 May 1908; arrived in Quebec City. [According to notes on his 1921 arrival form, Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924, on ancestry.com.]

    The birth certificate for his daughter Lottie lists his occupation as "moulder." The 1940 US census describes his occupation as "foundry man." His 1942 draft card shows his employer in Flint, Michigan, as the Buick Motor Company.

    Richard married Lottie Couch 15 Apr 1908, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales. Lottie (daughter of Anthony Couch and Elizabeth Jane Penberthy) was born 12 Jul 1886, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 29 Jun 1974, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Lottie CouchLottie Couch was born 12 Jul 1886, Penzance, Cornwall, England (daughter of Anthony Couch and Elizabeth Jane Penberthy); died 29 Jun 1974, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 5 Dec 1888, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Arrived in Canada at Quebec City, 17 Sep 1909, aboard the Canada out of Liverpool.

    Children:
    1. Gwendolyn Lottie Gyles was born 12 Nov 1910, Toronto, Ontario; died 17 Oct 1997, Brevard, Transylvania, North Carolina; was buried 24 Oct 1997, Summit Cemetery, Williamston, Michigan.
    2. Edna Geraldine Gyles was born Abt 3 Oct 1912, Toronto, Ontario; died 26 Mar 1913, Toronto, Ontario.
    3. 1. Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr. was born 2 Feb 1914, Toronto, Ontario; died 12 Feb 1998, Flint, Genesee, Michigan.
    4. Edith Jean Gyles was born 31 Aug 1915, Toronto, Ontario; died 4 May 2010, Osprey, Sarasota, Florida.
    5. Elizabeth Penberthy Gyles was born 28 Dec 1923, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; died 7 Nov 2018, Flushing, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Thomas Gyles was born 5 Jul 1850, Penzance, Cornwall, England (son of George Gyles and Ann Curnow Hodge); died 4 Dec 1926, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 Jul 1850, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on his marriage record as "bachelor" and "fisherman." Could sign his own name.

    Many online records for Thomas Gyles, including ours for many years, give his parents as William Harry Gyles (1814-1877) and Ann "Nancy" Quick Curnow (1821-1909). But I think this is incorrect. Thomas Gyles's baptismal record, 25 Jul 1850, gives his parents as George Gyles, sailor, and Ann Curnow, and confirms his birth date as 5 July 1850. And the record for his marriage to Mary Edwards, 1 Jun 1873, gives his father as George Gyles, master mariner.

    In further proof of his true parentage, the 1871 census shows Thomas Gyles, age 20, fisherman, living at The Wharf, St. Ives, with Daniel Veal, who his mother Ann Curnow Hodge married in 1862 after the 1854 death of our Thomas's father George Gyles.

    He and his wife Mary moved to Wales sometime between the 1891 census of England and the 1901 census of Wales. They appear to have lived the rest of their lives in Barry, Glamorganshire. His probate record of 14 Jan 1927 refers to him as "GYLES Thomas of 68 Castleland-street Barry".

    Thomas married Mary Edwards 1 Jun 1873, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Mary (daughter of Anthony Grenfell Edwards and Jane Andrew) was born 4 May 1851, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 27 Jun 1937, East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Mary EdwardsMary Edwards was born 4 May 1851, Penzance, Cornwall, England (daughter of Anthony Grenfell Edwards and Jane Andrew); died 27 Jun 1937, East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 14 May 1851, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on her marriage record as "spinster." Could sign her own name.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Anthony Grenfell Edwards, Jane Edwards.

    Children:
    1. Mary Gyles was born Between Oct and Dec 1873, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. William Penberthy Gyles was born Nov 1875, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. Thomas Gyles was born Abt Feb 1881, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. 2. Richard Edwards Gyles was born 13 Aug 1886, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 27 Jan 1945, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.
    5. Jane Edwards Gyles was born Dec 1889, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  3. 6.  Anthony CouchAnthony Couch was born 1 Aug 1851, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of James Couch and Elizabeth Uren); died 29 Dec 1937, Victoria, British Columbia; was buried 31 Dec 1937, Royal Oak Burial Park, Victoria, British Columbia.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 21 Aug 1851, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    "COUCH--At the Royal Jubilee Hospital on December 29, 1937, Anthony Couch, of 568 Hillside Ave; aged 86 years; born in St. Ives, Cornwall, England, and a resident of this city since 1919. Survived by two sons, Anthony Couch, Victoria, and Alwyn Couch, Toronto; three daughters, Mrs. John Matthews, Toronto, Mrs. James Beckerley, Victoria, and Mrs. Richard Gyles, Flint, Mich.; also 34 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. The remains are resting in Hayward's B.C. Funeral Chapel, from where the funeral will take place Friday morning at 11 o'clock. Interment in Royal Oak Burial Park." [Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Times, 30 Dec 1937, p. 14]

    Called a "fisherman" when his daughter Lottie was baptized in 1888. He and his wife, with their son Alwyn, emigrated on the Royal Edward, which departed from Avonmouth (near Bristol) and arrived at Montreal on 25 Oct 1911. On the passenger list, he's described as a "gardener."

    (Built by Fairfield Shipbuilding & Engineering Co., Glasgow, Scotland, the Royal Edward was placed in Avonmouth-Quebec-Montreal service in May 1910. Converted to a troopship in 1914, it was torpedoed and sunk near Kamadeliusa, Aegean Sea, August 1915, with the loss of 935 lives.)

    He was baptized a Methodist, as was his daughter Lottie Couch. His mother was Elizabeth Uren, daughter of John Uren (1781-1862), son of Philip Uren, "tinner," who marred Anne Odgers, "sojourner," in 1777. A History of the Parishes of St. Ives, Lelant, Towednack and Zennor in the County of Cornwall (by John Hobson Matthews; London: Elliot Stock, 1892) notes that in St. Ives, "in Street-an-Garrow, are the ruined remains of an old house where Wesley stayed during his later visits to Saint Ives, when the house was the home of the Uren family." The Wesley in question being John Wesley, the founder of Methodism. This is confirmed in Wesley's own journals, published in seven volumes in the late 19th and early 20th century. On 27 Aug 1789 Wesley reports that he preached first at Truro (near St. Ives) and then at Port Isaac (a few miles further up the north coast). "I preached in the evening, in an open part of town, to almost all the inhabitants of it. How changed since the time when he that invited me durst not take me in, for fear his house should be pulled down!" A editor's footnote to this passage states that "During his later visits to St. Ives he was the guest of the Uren family in the house adjoining that of John Nance, his earliest host."

    Wesley wasn't kidding about the threats of violence during his earlier visits. His entry for 4 April 1744, on the occasion of his first visit to St. Ives forty-five years earlier, notes that "I was a little surprised at entering John Nance's house, being received by many, who were waiting for me there, with a loud (though not bitter) cry. But they soon recovered; and we poured out our souls together in praises and thanksgiving. As soon as we went out we were saluted, as usual, with a huzza and a few stones and pieces of dirt." An editor's footnote notes that John Nance's house "stood at the top of the Street-an-Garrow (the rough street)", thus further confirming the accuracy of John Hobson Matthews's report. Street-an-Garrow exists today and can be viewed on Google Street View, which shows it to be one of those impossibly narrow English streets that would be terrifying to drive a car on. Its upper reach is capped by a U-shaped street now called Wesley Place.

    In the next day's entry, 5 April 1744, Wesley writes "I took a view of the house which the mob had pulled down a little before, for joy that Admiral Matthews had beat the Spaniards. Such is the Cornish method of thanksgiving. I suppose, if Admiral Lestock had fought too, they would have knocked all the Methodists on the head." The house the mob had "pulled down" was that of a Methodist named James Roberts, who, like our ancestor Philip Uren, was a "tinner." In other words, Wesley's hosts and associates, both at the beginning of his long career as a travelling preacher, and at its end, were frequently working people just like the Urens, most of whom lived in what we would consider the rough part of town.

    Anthony married Elizabeth Jane Penberthy 30 Aug 1876, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of James Penberthy and Elizabeth Hocking) was born 21 Feb 1852, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 14 Oct 1933, Saanich, British Columbia. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  Elizabeth Jane PenberthyElizabeth Jane Penberthy was born 21 Feb 1852, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of James Penberthy and Elizabeth Hocking); died 14 Oct 1933, Saanich, British Columbia.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 22 Aug 1860, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    The passenger list of the Royal Edward, on which she and her husband (and their son Alwyn) emigrated to Canada in 1911, calls her "Lily Couch."

    Children:
    1. James Penberthy Couch was born 14 Jul 1878, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 23 Jun 1926, Victoria, British Columbia.
    2. J. Anthony Couch was born 7 Jan 1880, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 10 Jul 1940, Victoria, British Columbia.
    3. Elizabeth Jane "Lizzie" Couch was born 10 Oct 1881, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. Nannie Hocking Couch was born 1 Nov 1884, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died , British Columbia.
    5. 3. Lottie Couch was born 12 Jul 1886, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 29 Jun 1974, Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried , Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.
    6. Charles Couch was born 12 Nov 1888, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 18 Mar 1918.
    7. Edwin Couch was born 14 Jan 1891, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 3 Aug 1893, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    8. Ethel Couch was born 27 Sep 1892, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 16 Jun 1936, Victoria, British Columbia.
    9. Edith Penberthy Couch was born 27 Oct 1895, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 8 Nov 1934, Victoria, British Columbia.
    10. Alwyn Couch was born 6 Feb 1898, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  George Gyles was born Bef 24 Nov 1815, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of John Gyles and Mary Thomas); died Bef 14 Sep 1854; was buried 14 Sep 1854, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 24 Nov 1815, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on his marriage record as "bachelor" and "mariner." Could sign his own name.

    Described on his son Thomas's 1873 marriage record as "master mariner."

    On 19 Aug 1846 he was a witness to the marriage of Matthew Veal, son of Matthew Veal, fisherman, to Catherine Gyles, daughter of John Gyles, mariner. Notable since after his death, his widow also married a Veal.

    It's notable that he was baptized in the C of E, but his son Thomas (and Thomas's wife Mary Edwards) were both baptized as Primitive Methodists.

    *****

    He is shown on some sites as a son of John Gyles and Johanna Harry, presumably the Joanna Harry recorded as baptised 14 Aug 1786 in St. Ives, daughter of John and Joanna.

    And it's true that the John Gyles who married Johanna Harry in St. Ives on 23 Jul 1810 is identified as a "mariner," just as George Gyles is on his own marriage record, which makes it reasonable to suppose that this John and Johanna were the parents of George.

    But our George Gyles was recorded as "of full age" when he married Ann Curnow Hodge in 1841. Therefore he has to have been born no later than 1820. The only two George Gyleses recorded baptised in St. Ives between 1800 and 1820, one on 20 Jan 1811 and one on 24 Nov 1815, are both given on their baptismal records as sons of a John and a Mary. (On the baptismal record of the latter George Gyles, the father John is identified as a cooper.)

    And a search for marriages in St. Ives between 1790 and 1814 involving a groom named John Gyles or Giles yields two marriages, both in 1810. One is the marriage of a John Gyles to Johanna Harry mentioned above. The other, 6 Feb 1810, is John Gyles, "bachelor", married by banns to Mary Thomas, "spinster". Witnesses John Shugg Trevorrow, Edward Richards.

    Moreover, the only John Gyles or Giles recorded as baptised in St. Ives between 1780 and 1795 is John Gyles, son of Richard and Elisabeth, baptised 19 Oct 1791. Aged 18 on 6 Feb 1810, he would have been eligible to marry by banns provided that neither his nor the bride's parents objected.

    The only way the George Gyles who married Ann Curnow Hodge could have been a son of Johanna or Joanna Harry is if he was neither the George Gyles baptised in St. Ives on 24 Nov 1815, nor the individual of the same name baptised there on 20 Jan 1811. And while absence is not proof, there are, again, no other Georges Gyles recorded baptised in St. Ives between 1800 and 1820.

    George married Ann Curnow Hodge 29 Jul 1841, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Ann (daughter of Lewis Hodge and Jane Michell) was born Bef 31 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died Abt Aug 1895, Penzance, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Ann Curnow HodgeAnn Curnow Hodge was born Bef 31 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of Lewis Hodge and Jane Michell); died Abt Aug 1895, Penzance, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 31 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on her marriage record as "spinster" and "of full age." Could sign her own name.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Lewis Hodge, Thomas Williams.

    Children:
    1. 4. Thomas Gyles was born 5 Jul 1850, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 4 Dec 1926, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales.

  3. 10.  Anthony Grenfell Edwards was born Bef 29 Oct 1824, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of Richard Bryan Edwards and Mary Grenfell); died Abt Feb 1897, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 29 Oct 1824, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described as "bachelor" and "fisherman" on his marriage record. Signed by mark.

    Described as "master mariner" on his daughter Mary's 1873 marriage record.

    His children Mary and Anthony were baptized at the Primitive Methodist chapel. His son Henry was baptized at the St. Ives C of E church.

    John Slee has a Richard Edwards b. 1799 as the father of Anthony Grenfell Edwards, but I believe this is incorrect. The 1841 census has Anthony Edwards, aged 15, living with Richard Edwards, 60 (he was actually 63), Mary Edwards, 55, and Elizabeth Edwards, 20.

    Anthony married Jane Andrew 20 Jun 1846, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Jane (daughter of John Andrew and Nancy Binney) was born Bef 25 May 1827, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died Aft 3 Apr 1881. [Group Sheet]


  4. 11.  Jane Andrew was born Bef 25 May 1827, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of John Andrew and Nancy Binney); died Aft 3 Apr 1881.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 May 1827, St. Ives, Cornwall, England
    • Alternate death: Oct 1888, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Called "Jane Andrews" and "spinster" on her marriage record. Signed by mark.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Jacob R. Jacobs, Thomas Williams.

    Children:
    1. Jane Edwards was born Abt 1849, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. 5. Mary Edwards was born 4 May 1851, Penzance, Cornwall, England; died 27 Jun 1937, East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales.
    3. Anthony Edwards was born 7 Mar 1854, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. E. Henry Edwards was born Bef 20 Mar 1861, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  5. 12.  James CouchJames Couch was born Bef 3 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of Anthony Couch and Mary Praed); died 27 Oct 1881; was buried , Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 3 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Fisherman.

    James married Elizabeth Uren 13 Aug 1840, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of John Uren and Mary Fox) was born Abt 1817, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 14 Apr 1887; was buried , Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  6. 13.  Elizabeth UrenElizabeth Uren was born Abt 1817, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of John Uren and Mary Fox); died 14 Apr 1887; was buried , Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    Children:
    1. James Couch was born Abt Feb 1842, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. Daniel Couch was born 1844, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. John Uren Couch was born Abt 1846, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. Charles Couch was born 1849, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    5. 6. Anthony Couch was born 1 Aug 1851, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 29 Dec 1937, Victoria, British Columbia; was buried 31 Dec 1937, Royal Oak Burial Park, Victoria, British Columbia.
    6. Edwin Couch was born Abt 1852, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    7. Edwin Couch was born 12 Jan 1854, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    8. Thomas Henry Couch was born Dec 1858, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 23 Mar 1946; was buried , Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    9. Elizabeth Mary "Lizzie" Couch was born Sep 1861, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  7. 14.  James Penberthy was born Bef 10 Aug 1825, St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of James Penberthy and Amelia Phillips); died Abt Nov 1877, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 10 Aug 1825, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Miner; fisherman.

    James married Elizabeth Hocking 5 Oct 1848, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of John Hocking and Margaret Casley) was born Abt 1821, St. Just in Penwith, Cornwall, England; died 10 Apr 1902, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; was buried 13 Apr 1902, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  8. 15.  Elizabeth Hocking was born Abt 1821, St. Just in Penwith, Cornwall, England (daughter of John Hocking and Margaret Casley); died 10 Apr 1902, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; was buried 13 Apr 1902, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Notes:

    The record of her 1848 marriage to James Penberthy gives the two witnesses as Thomas Williams and Benjamin Hocking, and her father as John Hocking, miner.

    The record of Benjamin Hocking's marriage to Amelia Rowe, 28 Mar 1846, gives his father's name as John Hocking, miner, and Benjamin's age as 21. Witnesses: William Rowe and John Tregear.

    A Benjamin Hocking is recorded as baptized 3 Nov 1825 at St. Just, son of John Hocking, miner, and his wife Margaret.

    On 14 Jun 1814, John Hocken of St. Just married Margaret Casley, both of them described as "of this parish." Margaret Casley is described as "spin.", meaning she was an unmarried woman (a spinster), not a widow. Witnesses: William Williams and Thomas Tragear.

    A Margaret Casley is recorded as baptized on 9 Oct 1789 at St. Just, daughter of "Richd" and "Margt." Allan Casley's "Descendents of Gabriell Casly" lists Margaret Casley, baptized 9 Oct 1789 at St. Just, as the eldest child of Richard Casley and Margaret Warren.

    Elizabeth Hocking had a sister Phyllis who appears to have lived from roughly 1825 to roughly 1902. According to "Descendents of Gabriell Casly", Margaret Casley had a sister Phyllis who was baptized 17 May 1795 at St. Just.

    Given the good fit of dates, the repeating use of people named Williams and Tragear as witnesses, and the appearance of the not-overwhelmingly-common given name Phyllis in two generations in a row, we're inclined to believe that Elizabeth Hocking's parents were indeed John Hocking and Margaret Casley.

    Children:
    1. James Penberthy was born Dec 1848, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. Margaret Ann Penberthy was born Sep 1850, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. 7. Elizabeth Jane Penberthy was born 21 Feb 1852, St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died 14 Oct 1933, Saanich, British Columbia.
    4. Amelia Penberthy was born 1853, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    5. Mary Penberthy was born 1857, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    6. Nanny Hocking Penberthy was born 1859, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.