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Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.

Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.

Male 1914 - 1998  (84 years)

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr.Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr. was born on 2 Feb 1914 in Toronto, Ontario (son of Richard Edwards Gyles and Lottie Couch); died on 12 Feb 1998 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan.

    Richard married Laura Herbert on 4 Jun 1944 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan. Laura was born on 12 Dec 1915 in British Columbia; died on 16 Aug 1975 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan. [Group Sheet]


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Richard Edwards GylesRichard Edwards Gyles was born on 13 Aug 1886 in Penzance, Cornwall, England (son of Thomas Gyles and Mary Edwards); died on 27 Jan 1945 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 Oct 1889, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Emigrated to Canada 1 May 1908; arrived in Quebec City. [According to notes on his 1921 arrival form, Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924, on ancestry.com.]

    The birth certificate for his daughter Lottie lists his occupation as "moulder." The 1940 US census describes his occupation as "foundry man." His 1942 draft card shows his employer in Flint, Michigan, as the Buick Motor Company.

    Richard married Lottie Couch on 15 Apr 1908 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales. Lottie (daughter of Anthony Couch and Elizabeth Jane Penberthy) was born on 12 Jul 1886 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 29 Jun 1974 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Lottie CouchLottie Couch was born on 12 Jul 1886 in Penzance, Cornwall, England (daughter of Anthony Couch and Elizabeth Jane Penberthy); died on 29 Jun 1974 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 5 Dec 1888, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Arrived in Canada at Quebec City, 17 Sep 1909, aboard the Canada out of Liverpool.

    Children:
    1. Gwendolyn Lottie Gyles was born on 12 Nov 1910 in Toronto, Ontario; died on 17 Oct 1997 in Brevard, Transylvania, North Carolina; was buried on 24 Oct 1997 in Summit Cemetery, Williamston, Michigan.
    2. Edna Geraldine Gyles was born about 3 Oct 1912 in Toronto, Ontario; died on 26 Mar 1913 in Toronto, Ontario.
    3. 1. Richard Edwards Gyles, Jr. was born on 2 Feb 1914 in Toronto, Ontario; died on 12 Feb 1998 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan.
    4. Edith Jean Gyles was born on 31 Aug 1915 in Toronto, Ontario; died on 4 May 2010 in Osprey, Sarasota, Florida.
    5. Elizabeth Penberthy Gyles was born on 28 Dec 1923 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; died on 7 Nov 2018 in Flushing, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Thomas Gyles was born on 5 Jul 1850 in Penzance, Cornwall, England (son of George Gyles and Ann Curnow Hodge); died on 4 Dec 1926 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 Jul 1850, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on his marriage record as "bachelor" and "fisherman." Could sign his own name.

    Many online records for Thomas Gyles, including ours for many years, give his parents as William Harry Gyles (1814-1877) and Ann "Nancy" Quick Curnow (1821-1909). But I think this is incorrect. Thomas Gyles's baptismal record, 25 Jul 1850, gives his parents as George Gyles, sailor, and Ann Curnow, and confirms his birth date as 5 July 1850. And the record for his marriage to Mary Edwards, 1 Jun 1873, gives his father as George Gyles, master mariner.

    In further proof of his true parentage, the 1871 census shows Thomas Gyles, age 20, fisherman, living at The Wharf, St. Ives, with Daniel Veal, who his mother Ann Curnow Hodge married in 1862 after the 1854 death of our Thomas's father George Gyles.

    He and his wife Mary moved to Wales sometime between the 1891 census of England and the 1901 census of Wales. They appear to have lived the rest of their lives in Barry, Glamorganshire. His probate record of 14 Jan 1927 refers to him as "GYLES Thomas of 68 Castleland-street Barry".

    Thomas married Mary Edwards on 1 Jun 1873 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Mary (daughter of Anthony Grenfell Edwards and Jane Andrew) was born on 4 May 1851 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 27 Jun 1937 in East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Mary EdwardsMary Edwards was born on 4 May 1851 in Penzance, Cornwall, England (daughter of Anthony Grenfell Edwards and Jane Andrew); died on 27 Jun 1937 in East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 14 May 1851, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on her marriage record as "spinster." Could sign her own name.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Anthony Grenfell Edwards, Jane Edwards.

    Children:
    1. Mary Gyles was born between Oct and Dec 1873 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. William Penberthy Gyles was born in Nov 1875 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. Thomas Gyles was born about Feb 1881 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. 2. Richard Edwards Gyles was born on 13 Aug 1886 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 27 Jan 1945 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.
    5. Jane Edwards Gyles was born in Dec 1889 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  3. 6.  Anthony CouchAnthony Couch was born on 1 Aug 1851 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of James Couch and Elizabeth Uren); died on 29 Dec 1937 in Victoria, British Columbia; was buried on 31 Dec 1937 in Royal Oak Burial Park, Victoria, British Columbia.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 21 Aug 1851, St. Ives Primitive Methodist Chapel, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    "COUCH--At the Royal Jubilee Hospital on December 29, 1937, Anthony Couch, of 568 Hillside Ave; aged 86 years; born in St. Ives, Cornwall, England, and a resident of this city since 1919. Survived by two sons, Anthony Couch, Victoria, and Alwyn Couch, Toronto; three daughters, Mrs. John Matthews, Toronto, Mrs. James Beckerley, Victoria, and Mrs. Richard Gyles, Flint, Mich.; also 34 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. The remains are resting in Hayward's B.C. Funeral Chapel, from where the funeral will take place Friday morning at 11 o'clock. Interment in Royal Oak Burial Park." [Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Times, 30 Dec 1937, p. 14]

    Called a "fisherman" when his daughter Lottie was baptized in 1888. He and his wife, with their son Alwyn, emigrated on the Royal Edward, which departed from Avonmouth (near Bristol) and arrived at Montreal on 25 Oct 1911. On the passenger list, he's described as a "gardener."

    (Built by Fairfield Shipbuilding & Engineering Co., Glasgow, Scotland, the Royal Edward was placed in Avonmouth-Quebec-Montreal service in May 1910. Converted to a troopship in 1914, it was torpedoed and sunk near Kamadeliusa, Aegean Sea, August 1915, with the loss of 935 lives.)

    He was baptized a Methodist, as was his daughter Lottie Couch. His mother was Elizabeth Uren, daughter of John Uren (1781-1862), son of Philip Uren, "tinner," who marred Anne Odgers, "sojourner," in 1777. A History of the Parishes of St. Ives, Lelant, Towednack and Zennor in the County of Cornwall (by John Hobson Matthews; London: Elliot Stock, 1892) notes that in St. Ives, "in Street-an-Garrow, are the ruined remains of an old house where Wesley stayed during his later visits to Saint Ives, when the house was the home of the Uren family." The Wesley in question being John Wesley, the founder of Methodism. This is confirmed in Wesley's own journals, published in seven volumes in the late 19th and early 20th century. On 27 Aug 1789 Wesley reports that he preached first at Truro (near St. Ives) and then at Port Isaac (a few miles further up the north coast). "I preached in the evening, in an open part of town, to almost all the inhabitants of it. How changed since the time when he that invited me durst not take me in, for fear his house should be pulled down!" A editor's footnote to this passage states that "During his later visits to St. Ives he was the guest of the Uren family in the house adjoining that of John Nance, his earliest host."

    Wesley wasn't kidding about the threats of violence during his earlier visits. His entry for 4 April 1744, on the occasion of his first visit to St. Ives forty-five years earlier, notes that "I was a little surprised at entering John Nance's house, being received by many, who were waiting for me there, with a loud (though not bitter) cry. But they soon recovered; and we poured out our souls together in praises and thanksgiving. As soon as we went out we were saluted, as usual, with a huzza and a few stones and pieces of dirt." An editor's footnote notes that John Nance's house "stood at the top of the Street-an-Garrow (the rough street)", thus further confirming the accuracy of John Hobson Matthews's report. Street-an-Garrow exists today and can be viewed on Google Street View, which shows it to be one of those impossibly narrow English streets that would be terrifying to drive a car on. Its upper reach is capped by a U-shaped street now called Wesley Place.

    In the next day's entry, 5 April 1744, Wesley writes "I took a view of the house which the mob had pulled down a little before, for joy that Admiral Matthews had beat the Spaniards. Such is the Cornish method of thanksgiving. I suppose, if Admiral Lestock had fought too, they would have knocked all the Methodists on the head." The house the mob had "pulled down" was that of a Methodist named James Roberts, who, like our ancestor Philip Uren, was a "tinner." In other words, Wesley's hosts and associates, both at the beginning of his long career as a travelling preacher, and at its end, were frequently working people just like the Urens, most of whom lived in what we would consider the rough part of town.

    Anthony married Elizabeth Jane Penberthy on 30 Aug 1876 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of James Penberthy and Elizabeth Hocking) was born on 21 Feb 1852 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 14 Oct 1933 in Saanich, British Columbia. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  Elizabeth Jane PenberthyElizabeth Jane Penberthy was born on 21 Feb 1852 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of James Penberthy and Elizabeth Hocking); died on 14 Oct 1933 in Saanich, British Columbia.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 22 Aug 1860, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    The passenger list of the Royal Edward, on which she and her husband (and their son Alwyn) emigrated to Canada in 1911, calls her "Lily Couch."

    Children:
    1. James Penberthy Couch was born on 14 Jul 1878 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 23 Jun 1926 in Victoria, British Columbia.
    2. J. Anthony Couch was born on 7 Jan 1880 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 10 Jul 1940 in Victoria, British Columbia.
    3. Elizabeth Jane "Lizzie" Couch was born on 10 Oct 1881 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. Nannie Hocking Couch was born on 1 Nov 1884 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died in in British Columbia.
    5. 3. Lottie Couch was born on 12 Jul 1886 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 29 Jun 1974 in Flint, Genesee, Michigan; was buried in Sunset Hills Cemetery, Flint, Genessee, Michigan.
    6. Charles Couch was born on 12 Nov 1888 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 18 Mar 1918.
    7. Edwin Couch was born on 14 Jan 1891 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 3 Aug 1893 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    8. Ethel Couch was born on 27 Sep 1892 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 16 Jun 1936 in Victoria, British Columbia.
    9. Edith Penberthy Couch was born on 27 Oct 1895 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 8 Nov 1934 in Victoria, British Columbia.
    10. Alwyn Couch was born on 6 Feb 1898 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  George Gyles was born before 24 Nov 1815 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of John Gyles and Mary Thomas); died before Sep 1854 in Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 24 Nov 1815, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on his marriage record as "bachelor" and "mariner." Could sign his own name.

    Described on his son Thomas's 1873 marriage record as "master mariner."

    On 19 Aug 1846 he was a witness to the marriage of Matthew Veal, son of Matthew Veal, fisherman, to Catherine Gyles, daughter of John Gyles, mariner. Notable since after his death, his widow also married a Veal.

    It's notable that he was baptized in the C of E, but his son Thomas (and Thomas's wife Mary Edwards) were both baptized as Primitive Methodists.

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    He is shown on some sites as a son of John Gyles and Johanna Harry, presumably the Joanna Harry recorded as baptised 14 Aug 1786 in St. Ives, daughter of John and Joanna.

    And it's true that the John Gyles who married Johanna Harry in St. Ives on 23 Jul 1810 is identified as a "mariner," just as George Gyles is on his own marriage record, which makes it reasonable to suppose that this John and Johanna were the parents of George.

    But our George Gyles was recorded as "of full age" when he married Ann Curnow Hodge in 1841. Therefore he has to have been born no later than 1820. The only two George Gyleses recorded baptised in St. Ives between 1800 and 1820, one on 20 Jan 1811 and one on 24 Nov 1815, are both given on their baptismal records as sons of a John and a Mary. (On the baptismal record of the latter George Gyles, the father John is identified as a cooper.)

    And a search for marriages in St. Ives between 1790 and 1814 involving a groom named John Gyles or Giles yields two marriages, both in 1810. One is the marriage of a John Gyles to Johanna Harry mentioned above. The other, 6 Feb 1810, is John Gyles, "bachelor", married by banns to Mary Thomas, "spinster". Witnesses John Shugg Trevorrow, Edward Richards.

    Moreover, the only John Gyles or Giles recorded as baptised in St. Ives between 1780 and 1795 is John Gyles, son of Richard and Elisabeth, baptised 19 Oct 1791. Aged 18 on 6 Feb 1810, he would have been eligible to marry by banns provided that neither his nor the bride's parents objected.

    The only way the George Gyles who married Ann Curnow Hodge could have been a son of Johanna or Joanna Harry is if he was neither the George Gyles baptised in St. Ives on 24 Nov 1815, nor the individual of the same name baptised there on 20 Jan 1811. And while absence is not proof, there are, again, no other Georges Gyles recorded baptised in St. Ives between 1800 and 1820.

    George married Ann Curnow Hodge on 29 Jul 1841 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Ann (daughter of Lewis Hodge and Jane Michell) was born before 31 May 1816 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died about Aug 1895 in Penzance, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Ann Curnow HodgeAnn Curnow Hodge was born before 31 May 1816 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of Lewis Hodge and Jane Michell); died about Aug 1895 in Penzance, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 31 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described on her marriage record as "spinster" and "of full age." Could sign her own name.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Lewis Hodge, Thomas Williams.

    Children:
    1. 4. Thomas Gyles was born on 5 Jul 1850 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 4 Dec 1926 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales.

  3. 10.  Anthony Grenfell Edwards was born before 29 Oct 1824 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of Richard Bryan Edwards and Mary Grenfell); died about Feb 1897 in Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 29 Oct 1824, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Described as "bachelor" and "fisherman" on his marriage record. Signed by mark.

    Described as "master mariner" on his daughter Mary's 1873 marriage record.

    His children Mary and Anthony were baptized at the Primitive Methodist chapel. His son Henry was baptized at the St. Ives C of E church.

    John Slee has a Richard Edwards b. 1799 as the father of Anthony Grenfell Edwards, but I believe this is incorrect. The 1841 census has Anthony Edwards, aged 15, living with Richard Edwards, 60 (he was actually 63), Mary Edwards, 55, and Elizabeth Edwards, 20.

    Anthony married Jane Andrew on 20 Jun 1846 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Jane (daughter of John Andrew and Nancy Binney) was born before 25 May 1827 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died after 3 Apr 1881. [Group Sheet]


  4. 11.  Jane Andrew was born before 25 May 1827 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (daughter of John Andrew and Nancy Binney); died after 3 Apr 1881.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 25 May 1827, St. Ives, Cornwall, England
    • Alternate death: Oct 1888, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Called "Jane Andrews" and "spinster" on her marriage record. Signed by mark.

    Notes:

    Witnesses: Jacob R. Jacobs, Thomas Williams.

    Children:
    1. Jane Edwards was born about 1849 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. 5. Mary Edwards was born on 4 May 1851 in Penzance, Cornwall, England; died on 27 Jun 1937 in East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales.
    3. Anthony Edwards was born on 7 Mar 1854 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. E. Henry Edwards was born before 20 Mar 1861 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  5. 12.  James CouchJames Couch was born before 3 May 1816 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of Anthony Couch and Mary Praed); died on 27 Oct 1881; was buried in Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 3 May 1816, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Fisherman.

    James married Elizabeth Uren on 13 Aug 1840 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of John Uren and Mary Fox) was born about 1817; died on 14 Apr 1887; was buried in Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  6. 13.  Elizabeth UrenElizabeth Uren was born about 1817 (daughter of John Uren and Mary Fox); died on 14 Apr 1887; was buried in Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    Children:
    1. James Couch was born about Feb 1842 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. Daniel Couch was born in 1844 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. John Uren Couch was born about 1846 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    4. Charles Couch was born in 1849 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    5. 6. Anthony Couch was born on 1 Aug 1851 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 29 Dec 1937 in Victoria, British Columbia; was buried on 31 Dec 1937 in Royal Oak Burial Park, Victoria, British Columbia.
    6. Edwin Couch was born about 1852 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    7. Edwin Couch was born on 12 Jan 1854 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    8. Thomas Henry Couch was born in Dec 1858 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 23 Mar 1946; was buried in Barnoon Cemetery, St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    9. Elizabeth Mary "Lizzie" Couch was born in Sep 1861 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

  7. 14.  James Penberthy was born before 10 Aug 1825 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England (son of James Penberthy and Amelia Phillips); died about Nov 1877 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: 10 Aug 1825, St. Ives, Cornwall, England

    Notes:

    Miner; fisherman.

    James married Elizabeth Hocking on 5 Oct 1848 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. Elizabeth (daughter of John Hocking and Margaret Casley) was born about 1821 in St. Just in Penwith, Cornwall, England; died on 10 Apr 1902 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; was buried on 13 Apr 1902 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England. [Group Sheet]


  8. 15.  Elizabeth Hocking was born about 1821 in St. Just in Penwith, Cornwall, England (daughter of John Hocking and Margaret Casley); died on 10 Apr 1902 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; was buried on 13 Apr 1902 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.

    Notes:

    The record of her 1848 marriage to James Penberthy gives the two witnesses as Thomas Williams and Benjamin Hocking, and her father as John Hocking, miner.

    The record of Benjamin Hocking's marriage to Amelia Rowe, 28 Mar 1846, gives his father's name as John Hocking, miner, and Benjamin's age as 21. Witnesses: William Rowe and John Tregear.

    A Benjamin Hocking is recorded as baptized 3 Nov 1825 at St. Just, son of John Hocking, miner, and his wife Margaret.

    On 14 Jun 1814, John Hocken of St. Just married Margaret Casley, both of them described as "of this parish." Margaret Casley is described as "spin.", meaning she was an unmarried woman (a spinster), not a widow. Witnesses: William Williams and Thomas Tragear.

    A Margaret Casley is recorded as baptized on 9 Oct 1789 at St. Just, daughter of "Richd" and "Margt." Allan Casley's "Descendents of Gabriell Casly" lists Margaret Casley, baptized 9 Oct 1789 at St. Just, as the eldest child of Richard Casley and Margaret Warren.

    Elizabeth Hocking had a sister Phyllis who appears to have lived from roughly 1825 to roughly 1902. According to "Descendents of Gabriell Casly", Margaret Casley had a sister Phyllis who was baptized 17 May 1795 at St. Just.

    Given the good fit of dates, the repeating use of people named Williams and Tragear as witnesses, and the appearance of the not-overwhelmingly-common given name Phyllis in two generations in a row, we're inclined to believe that Elizabeth Hocking's parents were indeed John Hocking and Margaret Casley.

    Children:
    1. James Penberthy was born in Dec 1848 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    2. Margaret Ann Penberthy was born in Sep 1850 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    3. 7. Elizabeth Jane Penberthy was born on 21 Feb 1852 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; died on 14 Oct 1933 in Saanich, British Columbia.
    4. Amelia Penberthy was born in 1853 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    5. Mary Penberthy was born in 1857 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.
    6. Nanny Hocking Penberthy was born in 1859 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England.