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William de Ferrers

Male Abt 1193 - 1254  (~ 61 years)


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  • Name William de Ferrers  [1, 2
    Born Abt 1193  of Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4, 5, 6
    Gender Male 
    Died 24 Mar 1254  Evington, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7, 8, 9, 10, 11
    Alternate death 28 Mar 1254  Evington, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7, 8, 9, 10
    Buried 31 Mar 1254  Merevale Abbey, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12
    Person ID I10141  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of Barbara Hagan, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 12 Oct 2018 

    Father William de Ferrers,   d. 22 Sep 1247 
    Mother Agnes of Chester,   d. 2 Nov 1247 
    Married 1192  [7, 8, 9, 13
    Family ID F3280  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Sybil Marshal,   b. Abt 1204,   d. Bef 1238  (Age ~ 33 years) 
    Married Bef 14 May 1219  [7, 8, 9, 14
    Children 
     1. Agnes de Ferrers,   d. 11 May 1290
    +2. Joan de Ferrers,   d. Bef Oct 1267
     3. Isabel de Ferrers,   d. Bef 11 Nov 1260
     4. Agatha de Ferrers,   d. 22 May 1306
     5. Eleanor de Ferrers,   d. Bef 26 Oct 1274
     6. John de Ferrers,   d. Bef 1238
    +7. Sibyl de Ferrers,   d. Bef 1260
    +8. Maud de Ferrers,   b. Abt 1230,   d. 12 Mar 1299  (Age ~ 69 years)
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F444  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Margaret de Quincy,   b. Bef 1223,   d. Bef 12 Mar 1281  (Age < 58 years) 
    Married Bef 1239  [7, 9, 10, 15
    Children 
    +1. Joan de Ferrers,   d. 19 Mar 1310
    +2. Robert de Ferrers,   b. Abt 1239,   d. Abt 1279  (Age ~ 40 years)
    +3. William de Ferrers,   b. Abt 1240, of Groby, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 20 Dec 1287  (Age ~ 47 years)
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F6338  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Earl of Derby. Constable of Bolsover Castle.

      Died of injuries sustained when he was thrown from a chariot crossing a bridge at St. Neots in Cambridgeshire.

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      So to start with, Sir William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, born 1193, helpfully had two daughters named Agnes de Ferrers.

      The first Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1222 and married William de Vescy (b. bef. 16 May 1205).

      The second Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born about 1252 and married Sir Robert de Muscegros (b. abt. 1252).

      But that's not all!

      Sir William also had two daughters named Joan de Ferrers.

      Again (you're starting to get the idea by now), the first Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1233 and married, first Sir John de Mohun (b. abt. 1227, d. bef. 1254), and second, Sir Robert de Aguillon (b. 15 Feb 1235/36).

      The second Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born in 1245 and married Thomas de Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley (b. 1245).

      This second pair of Joans is made even more hilarious by the existence of yet a third Joan de Ferrers, contemporary to the other two, born abt. 1256 to a completely different William de Ferrers, the one born c. 1225, of Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon.

      I'm sure they all got together regularly to laugh about how aggravating this would be to people seven hundred years in the future.

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      As a final piece of genealogical curiosa, Eleanor de Ferrers, youngest daughter of William de Ferrers by his first wife, married Roger de Quincy, father of William de Ferrers' second wife Roger de Quincy, thus rendering Eleanor de Ferrers and Margaret de Quincy one another's stepmothers.

  • Sources 
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