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Hawise de Hastings

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  • Name Hawise de Hastings  [1, 2
    Born of Little Easton, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Gender Female 
    Person ID I10660  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of Barbara Hagan, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 23 Apr 2018 

    Father Ralph de Hastings,   d. Bef 29 Sep 1210 
    Family ID F5138  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Philip Basset,   b. Abt 1185, of Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 29 Oct 1271  (Age ~ 86 years) 
    Children 
    +1. Aline Basset,   b. Abt 1240, of Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 11 Apr 1281  (Age ~ 41 years)
    Last Modified 4 Oct 2019 
    Family ID F3833  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Asserted in CP, the ODNB, Ancestral Roots, and The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz as a daughter of Matthew de Lovaine (Louvain, Louvaine, etc.), but Andrew Lancaster pointed out on SGM in June 2016 that this appears to have been based on the assumption that Philip Basset held Wix because Matthew de Louvaine was his wife's father, rather than her overlord, "ignoring the possibility that the family had enfeoffed a cadet branch which evidently was expected to inherit."

      Lancaster points to Clarence Smith's 1966 article "Hastings of Little Easton (part 1) in Transactions of the Essex Archaeological Society, Volume 2, Part 1. Says Lancaster: "[T]he snippets of evidence are small and the argument seems simple. [Smith] says CP asserts it was a free marriage when it was not. And then secondly he points to the clear evidence for an enfeoffed heiress being bought by the Bassets."

      Quoting Smith:

      "[Ralph de Hastings] was dead by Michaelmas 1210, leaving a daughter under age whose custody and marriage had been granted to Alan Bassett for 100 marks. It is not therefore surprising to find at the death of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, younger son of this Alan, in 1271, that he held under Sir Matthew de Lovaine the manor of Wix 'by courtesy of England of the inheritance of Helewisia his wife'. [...] G. W. Watson in the article on Despenser in the Complete Peerage, IV, p. 261, says that Sir Hugh Despenser married 'Aline, da. & h. of Sir Philip Basset of Wycombe, Bucks....by his first wife Hawise, da. of Sir Matthew de Lovaine of Little Easton, Essex,' to which is appended a footnote: 'She had, in free marriage, the manor of Wix, Essex, by the service of 20s. a year. Some genealogists say that she was da. of John de Grey of Eaton, Bucks.' Her fathering on Sir Matthew de Lovaine has no other support than the quite unwarranted assumption that she held Wix in free marriage: in fact she held it by inheritance as the Inquisition specifies, and Sir Matthew was her overlord but not her father."

      The IPM of Philip Basset specified as evidence is IPM 56 H3, Calendar I, No. 807, p. 273.

      John Watson said on SGM, 6 Jun 2016: "Clarence Smith's evidence that Ralph de Hastings was dead in 1210 and that his heiress was in the custody of Alan Basset is presumably taken from the Pipe Rolls of 12 John: 1209-1210, to which I have no access at the moment. (There is nothing in the fine rolls, close rolls, patent rolls, etc.) If anyone can confirm this, then I think it is a reasonable assumption that Hawise, first wife of Philip Basset was the daughter of Ralph de Hastings and not a daughter of Matthew de Louvain. She was presumably named after her grandmother, Hawise wife of William fitz Robert." Andrew Lancaster replied: "Yes, for the death 1210, Clarence-Smith cites the Pipe Rolls, PRS 26 NS, p. 35."

  • Sources 
    1. [S1316] John Watson, 6 Jun 2016, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    2. [S1315] Andrew Lancaster, 7 Jun 2016, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    3. [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant. Full citation details here.