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Female - Aft 1122

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  • Name Ermesenda   [1, 2
    Gender Female 
    Death Aft 21 Feb 1122  [3
    Person ID I12583  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of AP, Ancestor of DGH, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of LD, Ancestor of LMW, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 28 Mar 2020 

    Family Guillem V de Montpellier,   b. Abt 1073   d. 1121 (Age ~ 48 years) 
    Marriage Between 1086 and 1087  [1
    +1. Guilelma de Montpellier
     2. Bernard of Cluny,   b. Murles, Hérault, Occitan, France Find all individuals with events at this location
    +3. Guillem VI de Montpellier,   b. Abt 1095   d. Aft 11 Dec 1146, Grandselve Abbey, Bouillac, Tarn-et-Garonne, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 51 years)
    +4. Guillem d'Omelaz,   b. Abt 1100   d. Bef May 1156 (Age ~ 56 years)
    Family ID F7463  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 28 Mar 2020 

  • Notes 
    • Or Ermesindis, etc. She was not, contrary to many sources, a daughter of Pierre of Melgueil and Almodis de Toulouse.

      From Peter Stewart, soc.genealogy.medieval, 27 Mar 2020:

      Ermensenda's husband Guillaume V of Montpellier married his daughter Guilelma to Bernard IV of Melgueil, a grandson of Pierre. Consequently, if Ermensenda had been the daughter of Pierre in question, a first-cousin marriage would have taken place in the early-12th century, which is beyond implausible.

      At the time Pierre of Melgueil settled his dispute with Guillaume V of Montpellier the latter was apparently still very young — Pierre died in the late 1080s and (according to Claudie Duhamel-Amado) Guillaume V was born in 1073 or 1074. Given this, it seems likely that a marriage between Pierre's daughter and Guillaume did not last long and that in any event she was not Ermensenda, who outlived him and was the mother of his children including Guilelma married in 1120 to Bernard of Melgueil.

  • Sources 
    1. [S49] Genealogics by Leo Van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes and Leslie Mahler.

    2. [S3884] Histoire Générale de Languedoc by Claude de-Vic and J. Vaissete. Toulouse: J.-B. Paya, 1841.

    3. [S3881] Peter Stewart, 27 Mar 2020, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.