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Hugues le Grand

Male Abt 1057 - 1101  (~ 44 years)


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  • Name Hugues le Grand  [1, 2
    Born Abt 1057  [3, 4
    Gender Male 
    Died 18 Oct 1101  Tarsus, Cilicia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Alternate death 18 Oct 1102  Tarsus, Cilicia Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Buried Cathedral of St. Paul, Tarsus, Cilicia Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Person ID I1638  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of Barbara Hagan, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of Thomas Butler, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 6 Jan 2018 

    Father Henri I, King Of France,   b. Bef 17 May 1008,   d. 4 Aug 1060  (Age > 52 years) 
    Mother Anne of Kiev, Queen Consort of France,   b. 1036, Kiev, Ukraine Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1075  (Age > 40 years) 
    Married 19 May 1051  Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 5
    Family ID F15  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Adèle de Vermandois,   d. 1120 
    Married Abt 1080  [3, 6
    Children 
    +1. Isabel de Vermandois,   d. 13 Feb 1131
     2. Beatrice de Vermandois,   d. Aft 1144
    +3. Agnes de Vermandois,   d. Aft 1125
    +4. Mathilde de Vermandois,   b. Abt 1080
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F2751  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Count of Crépy. Count of Vermandois and Valois. Duke of France.

      Also called Hugh "Magnus".

      The place where he died, in what is now south-central Turkey, is the same Tarsus as in "Saul of Tarsus," before he turned into St. Paul.

      Post to SGM by Nathaniel Lane Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, about the battle in which Hugues died:
      [I]t was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his History of the Crusades, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101." On the battle at Heraklea, he says:

      "Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time to reform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armor. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legends said that she ended her days a captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."

      Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.


      It is PNH's contention that this Hugh le Grand is the exact bellybutton of the Middle Ages. His father was a king of France; his mother was one of the daughters of Yaroslav the Wise, Grand Prince of Kiev; and his daughter Isabel married, as her first husband, one of the Conqueror's proven companions at Hastings. Another daughter, Agnes, married a marcher lord of northern Italy. Through his mother he was also descended from three canonized Kievan saints and two kings of Sweden. He married the last member of the Carolingian dynasty. He died on Crusade. He was called Hugues le Grand. Case closed.

  • Sources 
    1. [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant. Full citation details here.

    2. [S341] Nathaniel L. Taylor, "Cassandra Elizabeth Taylor's royal descents.".

    3. [S142] Royal Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, ed. 2013.

    4. [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008.

    5. [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008., says "20 Jan. 1044/5".

    6. [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008., "bef. 1080", elsewhere "aft. 1067".