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Margery de Bohun

Female - 1304


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  • Name Margery de Bohun  [1
    Gender Female 
    Died Between 1280 and 1304  [2
    Siblings 1 sibling 
    Person ID I19424  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of AP, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 6 Dec 2020 

    Father Humphrey de Bohun,   b. Aft 28 Apr 1199,   d. 24 Sep 1275  (Age < 75 years) 
    Mother Maud of Avenbury,   d. 8 Oct 1273, Sorges, Gascony, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F949  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Thebaud de Verdun,   b. Abt 1248, of Alton, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Aug 1309, Alton, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Married Bef 6 Nov 1276  [2, 3
    Children 
    +1. Thebaud de Verdun,   b. 8 Sep 1278, of Alton, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Jul 1316, Alton, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 37 years)
    Last Modified 20 Apr 2018 
    Family ID F12053  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • She has long been widely held to be a daughter of the Humphrey de Bohun who died in 1265, in the lifetime of his father, and who as a result never held the earlship of Hereford possessed by both his father and his son.

      In a 2 Dec 2020 post to soc.genealogy.medieval, Peter Stewart argued that she may instead have been a daughter of that Humphrey's father, the Humphrey de Bohun who d. 1275, by his second wife, Maud of Avenbury.

      In a 3 Dec 2020 post, Douglas Richardson defended her placement as a daughter of the Humphrey de Bohun who d.s.p. in 1265.

      In subsequent posts in the thread, Peter Stewart defended his position, in particular making the point that if this Margery de Bohun had been a daughter of Humphrey de Bohun who d. 1265 and his (only) wife Eleanor de Briouze, her son Thebaud de Verdun's 1302 marriage to his first wife Maud de Mortimer, which produced issue, would have been a marriage of second cousins, both of them being great-grandchildren of William de Briouze and Eve Marshal.

      No record exists of a dispensation for this Verdun-Mortimer marriage in the 4-volume published records of the pope of that time, Boniface VIII. Stewart pointed out that Boniface is known to have believed that dispensations from consanguinity rules should only be given for reasons such as the general good of the realm, and that the Verduns and Mortimers were "not in a league where this sort of reason could be proposed." As Stewart pointed out, "Defiance of canon law was not undertaken lightly in that era. The upside of trying, at the Verdun-Mortimer stratum of rank and power anyway, was hardly worth the very foreseeable downside."

      This, combined with the chronological problems which are resolved by placing this Margary as a daughter of the older Humphrey de Bohun by his second wife, convinces us that this is likelier to be the correct solution.

  • Sources 
    1. [S1526] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, Wife of Reverend John Owsley, Generations 1-15, Fourth Preliminary Edition, by Ronny O. Bodine and Bro. Thomas Spalding, Jr. 2013., first name only.

    2. [S142] Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, editor. 2013.

    3. [S1526] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, Wife of Reverend John Owsley, Generations 1-15, Fourth Preliminary Edition, by Ronny O. Bodine and Bro. Thomas Spalding, Jr. 2013.