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John de Stanley
- Aft 1313-
Name John de Stanley [1] Birth of Stanley, Staffordshire, England 
[2] Gender Male Death Aft 1313 [2] Person ID I21655 Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of LD, Ancestor of TSW Last Modified 8 Sep 2021
Father William de Stanley, b. of Stanley, Staffordshire, England d. Between 1311 and 1326 Mother Joan de Baumville, b. 1264 d. Aft 1325 (Age > 62 years) Marriage 27 Sep 1282 Astbury Church, Cheshire, England [2, 3, 4] Family ID F6234 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Children + 1. William de Stanley, b. of Stanley, Staffordshire, England d. 1397Family ID F13339 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 3 Jan 2018
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Notes - Hereditary forester of Wirral, Cheshire. Ormerod gives, as his wife, "Mabel, dau. of sir James de Hausket of Storeton Parva, knt." CP says "He is said to have m. Mabel, da. of Sir James Hawkset of Stourton Parva." According to Wikitree, the book The House of Stanley by Peter Edmund Stanley (Edinburgh: The Pentland Press, 1998) argues against this and suggests an alternative. We have not seen this book, but the Wikitree page for this John Stanley summarizes its argument as follows:
"[T]his cannot be, as from 1300-50 Stourton Parva was held by heirs of Sir Phillip de Bamville (grandfather of John) and that there was no family surnamed Hauskett associated with Stourton Parva or Little Parva during this period.
"The author further states that a charter dated 13 Feb 1310 (no further identification given) given at Sefton in Lancashire endows John with the manors of Stanleigh and Over Elkeston in Staffordshire to be held by the said John and his wife Emma. The witnesses were: Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom and Knowsley, Sir Ralph Bykerstaffe (Sheriff of Lancashire), Alan Norris of Formby and Speke, Thomas de Osbaldeston, William Blundel and Roger de Haverburgh.
"Stanley suggests Emma may have been a Molyneux because of the location of the Charter, but ultimately decides she was a daughter of Sir Robert de Lathom, because when John Stanley's grandson Sir John Stanley married Isabel de Lathom in 1385, a papal dispensation was obtained owing to the prohibitive degree of consanguinity 'third cousins once removed' (Ormerod)."
- Hereditary forester of Wirral, Cheshire. Ormerod gives, as his wife, "Mabel, dau. of sir James de Hausket of Storeton Parva, knt." CP says "He is said to have m. Mabel, da. of Sir James Hawkset of Stourton Parva." According to Wikitree, the book The House of Stanley by Peter Edmund Stanley (Edinburgh: The Pentland Press, 1998) argues against this and suggests an alternative. We have not seen this book, but the Wikitree page for this John Stanley summarizes its argument as follows:
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Sources - [S1518] The Baronetage of England, Volume 2, by E. Kimber and R. Johnson. London, 1771.
- [S1526] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, Wife of Reverend John Owsley, Generations 1-15, Fourth Preliminary Edition, by Ronny O. Bodine and Bro. Thomas Spalding, Jr. 2013.
- [S77] The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester by George Ormerod. Second edition, revised and enlarged by Thomas Helsby. London: George Routledge and Sons, 1882.
- [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant ed. Vicary Gibbs, H. A. Doubleday, Duncan Warrand, Howard de Walden, Geoffrey H. White and R. S. Lea. 2nd edition. 14 volumes (1-13, but volume 12 spanned two books), London, The St. Catherine Press, 1910-1959. Volume 14, "Addenda & Corrigenda," ed. Peter W. Hammond, Gloucestershire, Sutton Publishing, 1998.
- [S1518] The Baronetage of England, Volume 2, by E. Kimber and R. Johnson. London, 1771.