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Alix of France

Female 1160 - 1218  (57 years)


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  • Name Alix of France 
    Born 4 Oct 1160  [1
    Gender Female 
    Alternate birth Abt 1170  [2, 3
    Died 18 Jul 1218  [2
    Alternate death Aft 18 Jul 1218  [1, 3
    Person ID I3572  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others
    Last Modified 22 Apr 2018 

    Father Louis VII, King of France,   b. 1120,   d. 18 Sep 1180, Paris, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 60 years) 
    Mother Constance of Castile, Queen Consort of France,   b. Abt 1138,   d. 4 Oct 1160, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 22 years) 
    Married 10 Nov 1153  Cathedral of Sant-Croix, Orleans, Loiret, France Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 5, 6
    Family ID F2941  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family William II Talvas,   b. Abt 1171,   d. 4 Oct 1221  (Age ~ 50 years) 
    Married 20 Aug 1195  [3, 7
    Children 
     1. Marie of Ponthieu,   b. 17 Sep 1199,   d. Sep 1250, Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 50 years)
    Last Modified 22 Apr 2018 
    Family ID F4827  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Also Aalez; Aaliz; Aelois; Aalis; Aalaidis; Alais. Countess of Vexin.

      Ancestral Roots has her as a daughter of Louis VII by his third wife Adèle of Blois (whom they call "Alix of Champagne"); Richardson's Royal Ancestry, with evidently better documentation, has her as a daughter of Louis by his second wife, Constance of Castile. But Szabolcs de Vajay's comprehensive 1989 survey of the Iberian Burgundians, "From Alfonso VII to Alfonso X: The First Two Centuries of the Burgundian Dynasty in Castile and Leon -- A Prosopographical Catalogue in Social Genealogy, 1100-1300" (in Studies in Genealogy and Family History in Tribute to Charles Evans on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, ed. Lindsay L. Brook. Salt Lake City: Association for the Promotion of Scholarship in Genealogy, 1989) says that Constance of Castile's daughter Adelaide by Louis VII died in infancy. We're going with Richardson on the (weak) basis of his research being more recent.

      Update: Peter Stewart, on SGM in October 2016, argued here, here, and here that "Alberic of Troisfontaines specified that Alix, the wife of Guillaume of Ponthieu, was the daughter of Louis VII by his Spanish second wife ('rex iste Ludovicus de prima uxore sua Alienor, quam dimisit, duas habuit filias ... De secunda quoque uxore, que fuit Hyspana, duas similiter habuit filias, primo reginam Margaretam Anglie et comitissam Aaliz, quam duxit Guilelmus comes de Pontivo')," and that there is no good reason to doubt this, particularly since if Alix had been a daughter of Louis VII's third wife, "Alix would have been (on her supposed mother's side) a third cousin of Richard, by common descent from William the Conqueror."

      Stewart also argues that Alix cannot have married William II Talvas before August 1195 (rather than 1185 as stated in AR8) "because she was detained in England by Henry II for some years after the rupture in 1191 of her long betrothal to his son Richard. (She had been sent to England as Richard's promised bride in 1174.)"

  • Sources 
    1. [S142] Royal Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, ed. 2013.

    2. [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008.

    3. [S1526] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, Wife of Reverend John Owsley, Generations 1-15, Fourth Preliminary Edition by Ronny O. Bodine and Bro. Thomas Spalding, Jr. 2013.

    4. [S142] Royal Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, ed. 2013., "1154".

    5. [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008., "1154".

    6. [S858] Szabolcs de Vajay, "From Alfonso VII to Alfonso X: The First Two Centuries of the Burgundian Dynasty in Castile and Leon -- A Prosopographical Catalogue in Social Genealogy, 1100-1300." Studies in Genealogy and Family History in Tribute to Charles Evans on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, ed. Lindsay L. Brook. Salt Lake City: Association for the Promotion of Scholarship in Genealogy, 1989.

    7. [S1381] Peter Stewart, 13 Oct 2016, post to soc.genealogy.medieval., year only.