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Susanna Davis

Female Bef 1780 - Bef 1849  (< 68 years)

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  • Name Susanna Davis 
    Birth Bef 26 Dec 1780  [1
    Baptism 26 Dec 1780  Ringwood, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Female 
    Alternate birth Abt 1786  [2
    Death Bef 12 Jan 1849  [3
    Burial 12 Jan 1849  St. Ives, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Person ID I37640  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others
    Last Modified 25 May 2023 

    Father Samuel Davis   d. Bef 4 Jan 1795 
    Mother Mary Brock,   b. Bef 13 Aug 1750   d. Bef 20 Feb 1820 (Age < 69 years) 
    Marriage 29 Sep 1771  Christchurch, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 5
    Notes 
    • The groom is recorded as "of Ringwood." Witnesses: Mary Hagler and Mary Butler.
    Family ID F22138  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family John Phillips,   b. Abt 1768   d. 30 Mar 1852, St. Ives, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 84 years) 
    Marriage 28 Jul 1799  Ringwood, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Children 
    +1. Amelia Phillips,   b. Bef 31 May 1801   d. Abt Aug 1865, St. Ives, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age > 64 years)
    Family ID F22137  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 1 Jun 2022 

  • Notes 
    • It's possible that she was the Susanna Davis baptized 17 Feb 1788 at Portsmouth St. Thomas, daughter of Joseph and Ann Davis.

      The 1841 census records a Susan Phillip, age 55 and thus born 1786, living at St. Ives in a household that also includes Susan Chapman, 25, and George Chapman, 1.

      The 1851 census records a John Phillips, age 81 and thus born 1770, living at St. Ives in a household that also includes Susan Chapman, 33, and George Chapman, 12.

      But we're inclined to agree with "malphillips1" on ancestry.com (with whom PNH has a DNA match), who posted the following there:
      John and Susanna

      Who were they? More exactly who was Susanna?

      There are several theories about the identity of Susannah -- including one naming her as Susannah Crocker of Gorran, and another as the daughter of Jane Richards at Lelant.

      The identification of Susannah as being Susanna Richards was on the advice of the St Ives Family History Centre. Their suggestion was that Susanna was illegitimate and lived in the Lelant area.

      Baptism: 28 May 1772 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England; Lived at Lelant. 'Base daughter'

      It has the merit of being geographically close to St Ives and the year of her baptism looks quite possible, but there is an alternative option which I think is more persuasive.

      Over the years I've changed my view away from naming her as Susanna Richards from Cornwall -- to instead regarding her as Susanna Davis from Hampshire.

      There is a marriage record for John Phillips and Susanna Davis at Ringwood in Hampshire in 1799.

      Later (in 1801) we have the baptism of Amelia Phillips at Fareham in Hampshire.

      An Amelia Phillips born in Hampshire, appears in a later census for the St Ives area.

      Again in St Ives, John and Susanna Phillips have a daughter called Hannah Davis Phillips.

      Going back a generation to John and Mary Phillips at St Ives (who are the likely parents of the John Phillips who married Susanna), they too have a daughter called Amelia. When one of the two Amelias is married, the other Amelia is apparently recorded as a witness on the marriage record.

      The existence of the two Amelias with this family link has been the deciding factor for me.

      The missing part of the puzzle is why John Phillips should be in Hampshire. It is possible this had something to do with the war with France. An invasion was expected, and both Fareham and Ringwood would be strategically important places to defend.

  • Sources 
    1. [S6277] Hampshire Baptisms, on findmypast.co.uk.

    2. [S304] 1841 England census, on ancestry.com.

    3. [S6262] England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991, on ancestry.com.

    4. [S6276] Hampshire Marriages, on findmypast.co.uk.

    5. [S6278] Research of "malphillips1" on ancestry.com.