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Ida de Odingsells

Female Abt 1265 - Aft 1322  (~ 57 years)


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  • Name Ida de Odingsells  [1, 2
    Born Abt 1265  of Solihull, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4, 5
    Gender Female 
    Alternate birth Abt 1270  [6
    Died Aft 1 Mar 1322  [4, 6
    Alternate death Aft 8 Apr 1325  [7
    Person ID I4210  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of Thomas Butler, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 10 Jan 2018 

    Father William de Odingsells,   b. of Solihull, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1294 
    Mother Ela fitz Walter,   d. Aft 2 Jul 1295 
    Married Bef 1273  [3
    Family ID F3032  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Roger de Herdeburgh,   b. of Willey, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 9 Feb 1284 
    Children 
    +1. Ela de Herdeburgh,   d. Aft 5 Jul 1343
    Last Modified 14 Sep 2019 
    Family ID F5617  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 John de Clinton,   b. Abt 1258, of Amington in Tamworth, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1310  (Age ~ 52 years) 
    Married Aft 29 Sep 1286  [3
    Children 
    +1. William de Clinton,   b. of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Aug 1354
    +2. John de Clinton,   b. Abt 1300, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1 Apr 1335  (Age ~ 35 years)
    Last Modified 12 Jul 2015 
    Family ID F5642  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

      "He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

      Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

      From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
      Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
      Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
      Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

      Dear Newsgroup:

      Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

      Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

      As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

      Best always,
      Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

  • Sources 
    1. [S66] An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk, by Francis Blomefield. William Miller, 1805.

    2. [S1204] MichaelAnne Guido, 7 Jan 2002, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    3. [S142] Royal Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, ed. 2013.

    4. [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant. Full citation details here.

    5. [S869] John P. Ravilious, 22 Nov 2004, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    6. [S1526] The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, Wife of Reverend John Owsley, Generations 1-15, Fourth Preliminary Edition by Ronny O. Bodine and Bro. Thomas Spalding, Jr. 2013.

    7. [S1501] Douglas Richardson, 2 Sep 2017, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.