Nielsen Hayden genealogy

William de Flamville

Male


Personal Information    |    Notes    |    Sources    |    All    |    PDF

  • Name William de Flamville 
    Born of Aston Flamville, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    Person ID I4437  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of Barbara Hagan, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 6 Jan 2018 

    Children 
    +1. Petronilla de Flamville,   b. of Aston Flamville, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 24 Feb 2020 
    Family ID F2487  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Post to SGM by Saba Risaluddin, 4 Jan 2016:

      Can anyone confirm or refute my guess that Petronilla's father William de Flamville of Aston Flamville, Leics, was married firstly to Petronilla, daughter of Oliver Sarazin or Sarracenus?

      I find the following references (in no particular order) to William de Flamville & his wife Petronilla Sarazin, but so far nothing, other than the name Petronilla, to indicate that Petronilla de Flamville, wife of Robert de Leicester, was their daughter.

      Peter R Coss, Lordship, Knighthood and Locality: A Study in English Society, c. 1180 to 1280, 1991, 234: "In the early 1220s William de Flamville functioned as steward to William de Hastings (d. 1224/5). That this is our man is indicated by the fact that he witnessed a Coundon charter for William together with three other knights, one of whom was Oliver Sarazin (or Seutacen), his father-in-law through his first wife."

      VCH Warwickshire vol VI, Knightlow Hundred, Willoughby: A certain "Ralph had kept 10 virgates in demesne, and had subinfeudated William Hastang of 2 virgates. He also had enfeoffed Oliver Sarazin of an unspecified amount by service of a sore sparrowhawk, and Oliver had enfeoffed William de Flamvil on his marriage with his daughter Petronilla."

      John S. Moore, "Who was 'Mahumet'? Arabs in Angevin England," Prosopon Newsletter, 2000, notes that Oliver Saracenus acquired part of Ralph fitz Wigan's serjeantry at Willoughby, Warwicks, which he gave as dowry with his daughter Petronilla to William de Flamvill (citing F. M. Stenton, Documents Illustrative of the Economic and Social History of the Danelaw (Oxford, 1920), p. 341; P.R. 25 Hen. III, p. 49; Book of Fees, III, 1279).

      Living in Sarajevo,which has no reference library where I could consult the reference works that many members of this group have access to, I am limited in my research to trawling the internet - and am indebted to those of you whose postings have often helped me to resolve a dilemma. But so far there appears to be nothing on Oliver Sarazin/Saracenus and his daughter Petronilla.

      Happy New Year to all
      Saba

      [Note by PNH: The paper by John S. Moore referenced above can be viewed here. In a subseqent post to SGM, John Watson points to another article with more detail about the Sarazin/Sarson surname of Leicestershire: W. G. Hoskins, "Leicestershire Yeoman Families and their Pedigrees," Transactions of the Leicestershire Archaeological Society, vol. 23 (1947), pp. 52-53.]

  • Sources 
    1. [S916] MichaelAnne Guido, 6 Jan 2002, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.