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(Unknown de Mandeville)


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  • Name (Unknown de Mandeville)   [1, 2
    Gender Male 
    Person ID I5604  Ancestry of PNH & TNH
    Last Modified 26 Mar 2016 

    Family Alice Giffard 
    +1. Sybil de Mandeville,   b. 29 Sep 1264,   d. Bef 23 Jan 1309  (Age < 44 years)
    Last Modified 10 Jan 2018 19:07:42 
    Family ID F771  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • "The name of [Sybil de Mandeville's] father remains uncertain. In the 1288 IPM in Bedford, Sybil was found to be the heir of her brother Walter de Mandeveille's 1/6 share of the manor of Lutton, co. Bedford; Godfrey, bishop of Worcester claimed the manor of Alerynton (Alkerton), co. Oxford which he said he gave to Walter de Mandeville with the provision it should revert back to him if Walter died without heirs of his body. As a clue to the ancestry of Sybil and Walter, Walter had previously held the portions of the manors of Eltham, Woolwich and Mottingham, however he exchanged these for 1/6 of the manor of Luton with John de Vesci. One half of Eltham was anciently given to the Mandeville family but its exact descent to Walter de Mandeville is not known. However, in 1255 John de Marisco answered for the fee of Woolwich under Ralph de Mandeville. It seems a good possibility that Sybil and Walter are the children of this Ralph de Mandeville. Though at least one web site makes them the children of was Edmund de Mandeville citing 'A Survey of the Cathedral Church of Worcester (London: 1736.).' Neither this Ralph nor Edmund have yet been identified in the main Mandeville family as of yet." [Joe Cochoit, 26 Apr 2011, citation details below.]

  • Sources 
    1. [S797] Joe Cochoit, 26 Apr 2011, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    2. [S1153] Liberties and Communities in Medieval England by Helen M. Cam. Cambridge University Press, 1944.