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William de Say

Male - 1144


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  • Name William de Say 
    Gender Male 
    Died Aug 1144  Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2, 3
    Alternate death Abt 1155  [4
    Person ID I5687  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of DDB, Ancestors of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 6 Jan 2018 

    Father Jordan de Say,   b. of Aunay-sur-Odon, Calvados, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother Lucy de Rumilly 
    Family ID F5573  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Beatrice de Mandeville,   b. Abt 1105,   d. Bef 19 Apr 1197, Rickling, Saffron, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 92 years) 
    Children 
    +1. Geoffrey de Say,   b. of Edmonton, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 19 May 1214
    +2. William de Say,   b. Bef 1140, of Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1 Aug 1177  (Age < 37 years)
    Last Modified 15 Jun 2018 
    Family ID F1124  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Allegedly killed at the siege of Burwell Castle. But: "Complete Peerage, vol. 11, p. 464, notes that Henry of Huntingdon says he and Geoffrey de Mandeville, earl of Essex, were killed in August 1144, but note (f) summarises evidence that William survived Geoffrey (who did not die until September 1144). Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, p. 681, refers to the same evidence as proving his survival 'by a few years', and dates his death to c. 1155 (although elsewhere she repeats the traditional date)." [Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

  • Sources 
    1. [S142] Royal Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson. Kimball G. Everingham, ed. 2013.

    2. [S789] The Wallop Family and Their Ancestry, by Vernon James Watney. Oxford, 1928.

    3. [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant. Full citation details here.

    4. [S152] Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, by K. S. B. Keats-Rohan. Woodbridge, Suffolk: The Boydell Press, 2002.