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John le Blount

Male - 1358

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  • Name John le Blount 
    Gender Male 
    Death 1358  [1, 2, 3
    Person ID I8130  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of DGH, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 5 Mar 2022 

    Father Walter le Blount,   b. of Rock, Worcestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef May 1324 
    Mother Joan de Sodington,   b. of Sodington, Worcestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 1330 
    Marriage Bef Feb 1294  [3, 4
    Family ID F1092  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Isouda 
    +1. Walter Blount,   b. Abt 1348   d. 21 Jul 1403, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 55 years)
    Family ID F1751  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 2 Dec 2015 

  • Notes 
    • From Complete Peerage IX: 331:

      "John le Blount, 2nd s. of Walter and Joan abovenamed, was in 1324 a practised soldier belonging to Worcestershire. In 1337, being then a knight, he was found heir to his elder brother, William Blount [Lord Blount]. He was joint commissioner in Worcestershire in 1344, to inquire as to holders of land. He served in Gascony under Henry, Earl of Lancaster, and afterwards, 1347, under the King at the siege of Calais, till Edward's return to England. In Oct. 1350 he was undertaking a pilgrimage to Santiago. He m. Isoude.(*) He d. in 1358."

      CP footnote attached to the asterisk in the above:

      "(*) According to tradition, Isoude de Mountjoy. The mystery of her parentage has not been solved. The release by John le Blount in 1374 to his brother Walter of all his rights in lands in Gayton, Yeldersley, Brushfield, Wc. (Croke, op. cit., vol. ii, p. 171), which were Mountjoy manors in the 13th and 14th centuries (Jeayes, Derbyshire Charters, no. 1608 et seq), suggests that a portion of the Mountjoy estates had descended by inheritance to John, then eldest surviving son of John le Blount and Isoude. It was a portion only, because (i) Gayton and Yeldersley, &c, descended, through the marriage of Isoude (da. and h. of Serle de Mountjoy, s. and h. of Ralph de Mountjoy) to Robert de Ireland (Plac. de Quo Warranto, p. 155); the family of Ireland were still holding temp. Henry VII (Feudal Aids, vol. i, p. 250 et seq. ; Jeayes, op. cit., no. 2731); (ii) the receipt given by Madam Wake in 1359 for evidences belonging to Richard Blount, the young heir of John and Isoude, refers to vint oyt feetes en un boist del heritage la mere le dit Richard et ses parceners des tenements en le Pek, (Ac. (Harl. MS. 6709, fo. 119 d)."

      Nathaniel Lane Taylor, post to SGM, 17 Feb 2008:

      "As CP shows, Sir John Blount (d. 1358) can only be shown to have had one wife, Isolda de Mountjoy. Older sources assign him a second wife, Eleanor Beauchamp (of Hache) who is made to be the mother of his younger sons (including the one whose descendants took the peerage title 'Mountjoy'). On the alleged Blount-Beauchamp marriage, an article by Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, "The Blount Quarters," The Coat of Arms 4 (1957), 224-27, is corrected by G. D. Squibb, "The Heirs of Beauchamp of Hatch," ibid., pp. 275-77, showing that the particular claimed marriage cannot have happened.

      "More importantly, Isolda is documented as still wife of Sir John Blount in 1352, well after the apparent birth year of Walter, ancestor of the lords Mountjoy. Croke (in his Blount work back in 1823) quoted the 1352 charter but didn't realize the chronological implication, repeating the two-wife fallacy."

  • Sources 
    1. [S341] Nathaniel L. Taylor, "Cassandra Elizabeth Taylor's royal descents.".

    2. [S47] The History of Parliament. Some citations point to entries from the printed volumes not yet added to the online site.

    3. [S128] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant ed. Vicary Gibbs, H. A. Doubleday, Duncan Warrand, Howard de Walden, Geoffrey H. White and R. S. Lea. 2nd edition. 14 volumes (1-13, but volume 12 spanned two books), London, The St. Catherine Press, 1910-1959. Volume 14, "Addenda & Corrigenda," ed. Peter W. Hammond, Gloucestershire, Sutton Publishing, 1998.

    4. [S1016] Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell by Carl Boyer III. Santa Clarita, California, 2001.