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Robert le Grosvenor

Male Abt 1342 - 1396  (~ 54 years)


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  • Name Robert le Grosvenor 
    Born Abt 1342  [1
    Gender Male 
    Alternate birth Abt 1347  of Hulme, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Alternate birth Bef 1352  [3
    Died 22 Apr 1396  Hulme, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    Person ID I8709  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK
    Last Modified 6 Jan 2018 

    Father Ralph le Grosvenor,   b. of Hulme, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1356 
    Mother Joan 
    Family ID F4459  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Joan de Pulford,   b. Abt 1347, of Pulford, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 22 Jun 1396  (Age ~ 49 years) 
    Married Abt 1378  [4, 9
    Children 
    +1. Thomas le Grosvenor,   b. of Hulme, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1429
    Last Modified 18 Jan 2016 
    Family ID F5278  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Sheriff of Chester 1389, 1394-95. Loser in the celebrated Scrope v Grosvenor heraldic dispute.

      "Sir Robert, we already know, while still a minor, married a daughter of Sir John Danyell, or Danyers, and accompanied his father-in-law to France in 1359-60. His subsequent services, under the Black Prince and Sir James Audley, come just ten years later; but he may have spent much or all of the intervening period in Guienne, as he did not pay homage to the abbot for his lands in Lostock until 1373. He was then a widower, his wife Margaret having died in June 1370, as he himself states in 1391, when called to prove the age of John, son of Sir Thomas Ardern, the occasion on which he gave his age as fifty. By a second marriage with Joan, the heiress of Pulford, he considerably improved the position of the family, securing with her a title to the manor of Pulford, an estate in Dunham Massey, and other lands besides; but, in consequence of subsisting life interests, the bulk of this property was first enjoyed by their son Sir Thomas Grosvenor, who was born in 1377." ["The Grosvenor Myth", citation details below.]

  • Sources 
    1. [S977] The Blackmans of Knight's Creek: Ancestors and Descendants of George and Maria (Smith) Blackman by Henry James Young. Carlisle, Pennsylvania: 1980.

    2. [S442] Kay Allen, 3 Apr 2002, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    3. [S322] W. H. B. Bird, "The Grosvenor Myth." The Ancestor 1:166, April 1902.

    4. [S76] The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004-ongoing).

    5. [S322] W. H. B. Bird, "The Grosvenor Myth." The Ancestor 1:166, April 1902., date only.

    6. [S356] W. H. B. Bird, "The Representation of the Barons of Dunham." The Genealogist (NS) 16:16, 1900., year only.

    7. [S442] Kay Allen, 3 Apr 2002, post to soc.genealogy.medieval., date only.

    8. [S977] The Blackmans of Knight's Creek: Ancestors and Descendants of George and Maria (Smith) Blackman by Henry James Young. Carlisle, Pennsylvania: 1980., date only.

    9. [S322] W. H. B. Bird, "The Grosvenor Myth." The Ancestor 1:166, April 1902., "aft 1370".