Nielsen Hayden genealogy
Robert II de Bellême
1057 - Aft 1129 (> 73 years)-
Name Robert II de Bellême Birth 1057 Sées, Orne, Normandy, France [1] Baptism 1057 Sées, Orne, Normandy, France [1] Gender Male Baptised St. Martin, Sées, Orne, Normandy, France [2] Death Aft 1129 [1] Alternate death Aft 1130 [3] Alternate death Bef 8 May 1131 [2] Person ID I8754 Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of AP, Ancestor of AW, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of DGH, Ancestor of DK, Ancestor of EK, Ancestor of JMF, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of LD, Ancestor of LDN, Ancestor of LMW Last Modified 5 Dec 2020
Father Roger de Montgomery, b. of St. Germain de Montgommeri, Calvados, Normandy, France d. 27 Jul 1094, Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England Mother Mabel de Bellême d. Dec 1077, Bures-sur-Dives, Normandy, France Marriage Abt 1050 [1] Family ID F1554 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Agnes de Ponthieu d. Aft 1100 Marriage Bef 9 Sep 1087 [2] Notes - Date of arrangement. According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, the actual marriage may not have taken place until about 1092.
Children + 1. Guillaume III Talvas, b. Abt 1093, of Alençon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France d. 30 Jun 1171 (Age ~ 78 years) Family ID F5915 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 5 Feb 2023
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Notes - Earl of Shrewsbury. Count of Ponthieu. Exiled and attainted 1102. Described by the ODNB as "a brilliant military architect but sadistically cruel."
"Robert de Bellême, seigneur de Bellême (or Belèsme), seigneur de Montgomery, viscount of the Hiémois, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Count of Ponthieu, was an Anglo-Norman nobleman, and one of the most prominent figures in the competition for the succession to England and Normandy between the sons of William the Conqueror. He was a member of the powerful House of Bellême. Robert became notorious for his alleged cruelty. The chronicler Orderic Vitalis calls him 'Grasping and cruel, an implacable persecutor of the Church of God and the poor... unequalled for his iniquity in the whole Christian era.' The stories of his brutality may have inspired the legend of Robert the Devil." [Wikipedia]
"The chroniclers have given Robert de Bellême an appalling reputation, though his actions as a man of violence and an oppressor of the church were probably little worse than those of his contemporaries. He was faced with an enormous task in trying to hold together his family's extensive lands, which lay in very unstable regions, and it proved to be impossible without the support of an effective ruler. Although Bellême was a capable soldier and an efficient administrator, it was his misfortune that he lacked political judgement, as his support of Robert Curthose and failure to establish satisfactory relations with Henry I indicate." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]
- Earl of Shrewsbury. Count of Ponthieu. Exiled and attainted 1102. Described by the ODNB as "a brilliant military architect but sadistically cruel."
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Sources - [S76] The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press, 2004-ongoing.
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- [S145] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. 8th edition, William R. Beall & Kaleen E. Beall, eds. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004, 2006, 2008.
- [S76] The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press, 2004-ongoing.