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Robert de Clifford

Male 1305 - 1344  (38 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Robert de Clifford was born on 5 Nov 1305 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 20 May 1344; was buried in Shap Abbey, Westmorland, England.

    Notes:

    Hereditary sheriff of Westmorland.

    Robert married Isabel de Berkeley in Jun 1328 in Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England. Isabel (daughter of Maurice de Berkeley and Eve la Zouche) died on 25 Jul 1362. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Roger de Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 10 Jul 1333 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 13 Jul 1389.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Roger de Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (1.Robert1) was born on 10 Jul 1333 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 13 Jul 1389.

    Notes:

    Hereditary sheriff of Westmorland and of Cumberland. Warden of the East and West Marches of Scotland. Governor of Carlisle Castle.

    Summoned to Parliament from 15 Dec 1356 and 18 Jul 1388. In 1373 he accompanied John of Gaunt to France. He testified in the Scrope-Grosvenor case in 1386.

    Roger married Maud de Beauchamp before 20 Mar 1357. Maud (daughter of Thomas de Beauchamp and Katherine de Mortimer) died in 1403. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. Margaret Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 4. Philippe Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point died after 4 Jul 1405.
    3. 5. Katherine Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point died on 23 Apr 1413; was buried in Church of the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.
    4. 6. Thomas de Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1363; died on 18 Aug 1391.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  Margaret Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Margaret married John Melton before 1415. John (son of William de Melton and Elizabeth) was born about 1377 in of Aston, Yorkshire, England; died on 24 May 1455. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. Margaret Melton  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 4.  Philippe Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died after 4 Jul 1405.

    Family/Spouse: William Ferrers. William (son of Henry de Ferrers and Joan de Poynings) was born before 25 Apr 1372 in Luton Hoo, Bedfordshire, England; died on 18 May 1445. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. Elizabeth Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1460; was buried in West Peckham, Kent, England.
    2. 9. Henry Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Buttsbury, Essex, England; died between 1419 and 15 Jun 1422.
    3. 10. Thomas Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1392 and 1402 in of Hethe, Warwickshire, England; died on 6 Jan 1459.

  3. 5.  Katherine Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died on 23 Apr 1413; was buried in Church of the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.

    Katherine married Ralph de Greystoke before 1378. Ralph (son of William de Greystoke and Joan Fitz Hugh) was born on 18 Oct 1353 in Kirkby Ravensworth, Yorkshire, England; died on 6 Apr 1418. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Maud Greystoke  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 12. John de Greystoke  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1390; died on 8 Aug 1436.

  4. 6.  Thomas de Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1363; died on 18 Aug 1391.

    Family/Spouse: Elizabeth de Ros. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas de Ros and Beatrice de Stafford) died in Mar 1424. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 13. John Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1389; died on 13 Mar 1422 in Mieux, France.


Generation: 4

  1. 7.  Margaret Melton Descendancy chart to this point (3.Margaret3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Margaret married John Markenfield before 1431. John (son of Thomas Markenfield and Beatrice Soothill) was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died between 2 Jun 1431 and 18 Feb 1448. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. John Markenfield  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died before 1497.

  2. 8.  Elizabeth Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died in 1460; was buried in West Peckham, Kent, England.

    Elizabeth married William Culpepper about 1412. William (son of John Culpepper and Catherine Charles) was born in in of Aylesford, Kent, England; died on 20 Jul 1457; was buried in West Peckham, Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Richard Culpepper  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1430 in of Oxenhoath in West Peckham, Kent, England; died on 4 Oct 1484.

  3. 9.  Henry Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Buttsbury, Essex, England; died between 1419 and 15 Jun 1422.

    Family/Spouse: Isabel Mowbray. Isabel (daughter of Thomas Mowbray and Elizabeth Fitz Alan) died on 23 Sep 1452 in Gloucester Castle, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in Grey Friars, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 16. Elizabeth Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1419; died before 24 Jan 1483.

  4. 10.  Thomas Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born between 1392 and 1402 in of Hethe, Warwickshire, England; died on 6 Jan 1459.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Tamworth, Warwickshire, England

    Thomas married Elizabeth Freville before 1418. Elizabeth (daughter of Baldwin de Freville and Maud le Scrope) was born about 1394. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 17. Henry Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Peckham, Kent, England; died on 28 Dec 1499 in Chillesmore, Warwickshire, England.

  5. 11.  Maud Greystoke Descendancy chart to this point (5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Family/Spouse: Eudes Welles. Eudes (son of John Welles and Eleanor Mowbray) died before 26 Jul 1417. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 18. Lionel Welles  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1406 in of Belleau, Lincolnshire, England; died on 29 Mar 1461 in Towton, Yorkshire, England; was buried in Methley, Yorkshire, England.

  6. 12.  John de Greystoke Descendancy chart to this point (5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1390; died on 8 Aug 1436.

    Notes:

    Governor of Roxburgh Castle. Summoned to Parliament 24 Aug 1419 to 5 Jul 1435.

    John married Elizabeth Ferrers on 28 Oct 1407. Elizabeth (daughter of Robert Ferrers and Joan Beaufort) was born about 1393; died in 1434; was buried in Church of the Black Friars, York, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 19. Joan de Greystock  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 20. Ralph Greystoke  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1414; died on 1 Jun 1487.
    3. 21. Anne Greystoke  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1417; died on 27 Mar 1477.

  7. 13.  John Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1389; died on 13 Mar 1422 in Mieux, France.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1388

    Notes:

    Killed at the Siege of Mieux.

    John married Elizabeth Percy between Aug 1403 and 5 Nov 1412. Elizabeth (daughter of Henry "Hotspur" Percy and Elizabeth Mortimer) died on 26 Oct 1436; was buried in Staindrop, Durham, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Mary Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point was buried in Friars Minor, Ipswich, Suffolk, England.


Generation: 5

  1. 14.  John Markenfield Descendancy chart to this point (7.Margaret4, 3.Margaret3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died before 1497.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Hopton. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Thomas Markenfield  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died between 8 Apr 1497 and 20 Jun 1497; was buried in Ripon Cathedral, Yorkshire, England.

  2. 15.  Richard Culpepper Descendancy chart to this point (8.Elizabeth4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1430 in of Oxenhoath in West Peckham, Kent, England; died on 4 Oct 1484.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Aylsford, Kent, England

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Kent, 1471.

    Richard married Isabel Worsley before 1480. Isabel (daughter of Otewell Worsley and Rose Trevor) was born about 1460; died on 18 Apr 1527; was buried in Leigh's Chapel, St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Joyce Culpeper  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1480; died after 1527.

  3. 16.  Elizabeth Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1419; died before 24 Jan 1483.

    Family/Spouse: Edward Grey. Edward (son of Reynold Grey and Joan Astley) was born about 1415; died on 18 Dec 1457. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. Edward Grey  Descendancy chart to this point died on 17 Jul 1492.
    2. 26. John Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1432; died on 17 Feb 1461 in St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England.

  4. 17.  Henry Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (10.Thomas4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Peckham, Kent, England; died on 28 Dec 1499 in Chillesmore, Warwickshire, England.

    Notes:

    Knight of the King's Bodyguard. Heriff of Kent 1487-88. Knight of the shire for Kent.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Hexstall. Margaret (daughter of William Hexstall and Margaret Bromley) died before 22 Dec 1499. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 27. Elizabeth Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point

  5. 18.  Lionel Welles Descendancy chart to this point (11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1406 in of Belleau, Lincolnshire, England; died on 29 Mar 1461 in Towton, Yorkshire, England; was buried in Methley, Yorkshire, England.

    Notes:

    Privy councillor, 1434. Lieutenant of Ireland, 1438-42. Summoned to Parliament 25 Feb 1432 to 30 Jul 1460. Taken prisoner by Yorkists at the battle of Blore Heath. Fought at the second battle of St. Albans. Killed at the battle of Towton.

    Lionel married Joan Waterton on 15 Aug 1417 in St. Oswald's, Methley, Yorkshire, England. Joan (daughter of Robert Waterton and Cecily Fleming) died after 18 Oct 1434; was buried in Methley, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 28. Cecily Welles  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 29. Eleanor Welles  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1504.

    Lionel married Margaret Beauchamp in Apr 1447. Margaret (daughter of John Beauchamp and Edith Stourton) was born about 1410; died before 3 Jun 1482. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 19.  Joan de Greystock Descendancy chart to this point (12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Family/Spouse: John Darcy. John (son of John Darcy and Margaret Grey) was born about 1404 in Temple Hurst, Yorkshire, England; died in 1454. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Richard Darcy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1425; died before 1 Jun 1454.

  7. 20.  Ralph Greystoke Descendancy chart to this point (12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1414; died on 1 Jun 1487.

    Notes:

    Master-Forester of the Forest of Galtres. Summoned to Parliament by writs dated 29 Oct 1436 to 15 Sep 1485.

    Ralph married Elizabeth Fitz Hugh on 1 Jul 1436. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Elizabeth Greystoke  Descendancy chart to this point died after 20 Dec 1483; was buried in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England.

  8. 21.  Anne Greystoke Descendancy chart to this point (12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1417; died on 27 Mar 1477.

    Anne married Ralph Bigod in 1432. Ralph (son of John Bigod and Constance de Mauley) was born on 7 Jul 1410 in Settrington, Yorkshire, England; died on 29 Mar 1461 in Towton, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 32. Anne Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1450; died on 9 Jan 1531.

  9. 22.  Mary Clifford Descendancy chart to this point (13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was buried in Friars Minor, Ipswich, Suffolk, England.

    Family/Spouse: Philip Wentworth. Philip (son of Roger Wentworth and Margery le Despenser) was born about 1424; died on 18 May 1464 in Middleham, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Elizabeth Wentworth  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1440 and 1449; died before Nov 1494.
    2. 34. Henry Wentworth  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1448; died between 17 Aug 1499 and 27 Feb 1501; was buried in Newhouse Abbey, Lincolnshire, England.


Generation: 6

  1. 23.  Thomas Markenfield Descendancy chart to this point (14.John5, 7.Margaret4, 3.Margaret3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died between 8 Apr 1497 and 20 Jun 1497; was buried in Ripon Cathedral, Yorkshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Eleanor Conyers. Eleanor (daughter of John Conyers and Margaret Darcy) died on 5 Jun 1493; was buried in Ripon Cathedral, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 35. Ninian Markenfield  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died on 25 Mar 1528.

  2. 24.  Joyce Culpeper Descendancy chart to this point (15.Richard5, 8.Elizabeth4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1480; died after 1527.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1484
    • Alternate death: Aft 1525
    • Alternate death: Aft 1526

    Notes:

    Also called Jocasta.

    Family/Spouse: Edmund Howard. Edmund (son of Thomas Howard and Elizabeth Tilney) was born between 1478 and 1480; died in Mar 1539. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 36. Catherine Howard, Queen Consort of England  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1518 and 1524; died on 13 Feb 1542 in Tower of London, London, England; was buried in Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula, Tower of London, London, England.

    Joyce married Ralph Leigh before 1492. Ralph (son of Ralph Leigh and Elizabeth Langley) died on 6 Nov 1509; was buried in Lambeth, Surrey, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. Isabel Leigh  Descendancy chart to this point died on 16 Feb 1573.

  3. 25.  Edward Grey Descendancy chart to this point (16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died on 17 Jul 1492.

    Family/Spouse: Elizabeth Talbot. Elizabeth (daughter of John Talbot and Joan Cheddar) was born in 1452 in Nutley, Sussex, England; died on 8 Sep 1487. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 38. Elizabeth Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1484; died after 10 Aug 1530.

  4. 26.  John Grey Descendancy chart to this point (16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1432; died on 17 Feb 1461 in St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England.

    Notes:

    Killed in the Second Battle of St. Albans, fighting for the Lancastrians.

    John married Elizabeth Woodville, Queen Consort of England in 1452. Elizabeth (daughter of Richard Woodville and Jacquetta of Luxembourg) was born in 1437 in Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England; died on 8 Jun 1492 in Bermondsey Priory, Surrey, England; was buried on 12 Jun 1492 in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 39. Thomas Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1451; died on 20 Sep 1501.

  5. 27.  Elizabeth Ferrers Descendancy chart to this point (17.Henry5, 10.Thomas4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Family/Spouse: James Clerke. James (son of John Clerke and Lucy Moyle) was born in in of Forde Hall, Wrotham, Kent, England; died on 20 Sep 1553 in Wrotham, Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. George Clerke  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1510 in of Wrotham, Kent, England; died on 6 Mar 1559 in Wrotham, Kent, England; was buried on 8 Mar 1559 in Wrotham, Kent, England.

  6. 28.  Cecily Welles Descendancy chart to this point (18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1)

    Family/Spouse: Robert Willoughby. Robert (son of Thomas Willoughby and Joan Arundel) was born in in of Parham, Suffolk, England; died on 30 May 1465; was buried in Campsey Priory, Suffolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 41. Christopher Willoughby  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1453 in of Parham, Suffolk, England; died between 1 Nov 1498 and 13 Jul 1499.

  7. 29.  Eleanor Welles Descendancy chart to this point (18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died before 1504.

    Eleanor married Thomas Hoo before 1445. Thomas (son of Thomas Hoo and Eleanor Felton) was born before 1399 in of Hoo, Luton, Bedfordshire, England; died on 13 Feb 1455. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 42. Eleanor Hoo  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1449.

  8. 30.  Richard Darcy Descendancy chart to this point (19.Joan5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1425; died before 1 Jun 1454.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1458

    Family/Spouse: Eleanor Scrope. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 43. William Darcy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1450 in of Temple Hurst, Yorkshire, England; died on 30 May 1488.

  9. 31.  Elizabeth Greystoke Descendancy chart to this point (20.Ralph5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died after 20 Dec 1483; was buried in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Gilbert Talbot. Gilbert (son of John Talbot and Elizabeth Butler) was born in 1452 in of Grafton, Worcestershire, England; died on 16 Aug 1517; was buried in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 44. John Talbot  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1485 in of Grafton, Worcestershire, England; died on 10 Sep 1549; was buried in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England.

  10. 32.  Anne Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (21.Anne5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1450; died on 9 Jan 1531.

    Family/Spouse: William Conyers. William (son of Christopher Conyers and Margery Eure) was born about 1456 in of Sockburn, Durham, England; died on 8 Sep 1490. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 45. Anne Conyers  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1522.

  11. 33.  Elizabeth Wentworth Descendancy chart to this point (22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born between 1440 and 1449; died before Nov 1494.

    Family/Spouse: Martin de la See. Martin (son of Brian de la See and Maud Monceaux) was born about 1420 in of Barmston, Yorkshire, England; died between 20 Nov 1494 and 15 Dec 1494; was buried in All Hallows, Barmston, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 46. Jane de la See  Descendancy chart to this point died between 20 Jul 1527 and 7 Apr 1528.

  12. 34.  Henry Wentworth Descendancy chart to this point (22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1448; died between 17 Aug 1499 and 27 Feb 1501; was buried in Newhouse Abbey, Lincolnshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Ann Saye. Ann (daughter of John Say and Elizabeth Cheyne) died after 25 Feb 1484. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 47. Margaret Wentworth  Descendancy chart to this point died in Oct 1550.


Generation: 7

  1. 35.  Ninian Markenfield Descendancy chart to this point (23.Thomas6, 14.John5, 7.Margaret4, 3.Margaret3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Markenfield, Yorkshire, England; died on 25 Mar 1528.

    Notes:

    He was a commander at Flodden Field and was knighted on the field, 9 Sep 1513.

    Family/Spouse: Dorothy Gascoigne. Dorothy (daughter of William Gascoigne and Margaret Percy) died before 1526. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 48. Alice Markenfield  Descendancy chart to this point died between 4 Mar 1553 and 7 Mar 1553.

  2. 36.  Catherine Howard, Queen Consort of England Descendancy chart to this point (24.Joyce6, 15.Richard5, 8.Elizabeth4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born between 1518 and 1524; died on 13 Feb 1542 in Tower of London, London, England; was buried in Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula, Tower of London, London, England.

    Notes:

    In one of the charges leading to her downfall, she was alleged to have failed to resist the advances of a gentleman of the king's privy chamber named Thomas Culpeper, who was himself beheaded at Tyburn on 10 Dec 1541, two months before her own execution. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article about Katherine Howard notes that "he was distantly related to Katherine on her mother's side, for they shared a Culpeper ancestor who had lived in the reign of Edward II." This would be true if the courtier were a son of any number of Culpepers of sixteenth-century Kent, virtually all of them descendants of Thomas Colepeper of Brenchley who died in 1309. But the ODNB confidently states that the courtier Thomas Culpeper was "the second of the three sons of Alexander Culpeper of Bedgebury, Kent (d. 1541), and his second wife, Constance Harper (née Chamberlain); his elder brother, also named Thomas, was a client of Thomas Cromwell." This piques our interest, because this Alexander Culpeper was a son of John Culpeper (~1430-1480) and his wife Agnes Gainsford, who are themselves direct ancestors of JTS and (probably) TNH, AP, and GFS.1, 2

    The problem is this: Alexander Culpeper of Bedgebury made his will on 20 May 1540, and died sometime in 1541 before 21 June, when his will was proved. His wife Constance made her will on 4 Oct 1541, after her husband's death. All of these events happened before the courtier Thomas Culpeper was accused, much less executed. And yet both wills name only one son named Thomas. Alexander's calls Thomas "myne eldist sonne" and mentions one other son, John. Constance's also names only two sons by Alexander, Thomas and John. (She had an additional son, George Harper, by her first marriage.)

    Constance's will was proved at London on 13 Nov 1542, so it's entirely possible that she lived past 10 Nov 1541, the day the courtier Thomas Culpepper was executed. And there is a codicil to Constance's will, undated, but it makes none of the adjustments one might expect if one of one's legatees had been beheaded at Tyburn since the main will was drawn up.

    Even more to the point, if backwoods gentry Alexander and Constance Culpeper had a son who was a fast-rising figure at the royal court, one would think he would at least be mentioned in one or both of their wills. Remember again that when both of these wills were drawn up, the courtier Thomas Culpeper had yet to be accused of any wrongdoing.

    Finally, the will of the Thomas Culpeper who was definitely a son of Alexander and Constance Culpeper, mentioned in both of their wills, is dated 6 Aug 1557; it was proved 20 Oct 1558, and he was buried at St. Mary's in Goudhurst on 13 May 1558. He was married twice, to Elizabeth Hawte in about 1522 and to Ellen Hendley in about 1540. He is obviously not the courtier who was executed in November 1541.

    Where does the claim about the courtier's parentage come from? Probably the 1592 Visitation of Kent. Specifically, the 1924 volume The Visitations of Kent, Taken in the Years 1574 and 1592 by Robert Cooke, Clarenceux, edited by W. Bruce Bannerman, part 2, London, 1924 (Harleian Society volume 75). "The present Volume contains the remaining portion of the letters, I-Z, of the second Visitation, in 1574, together with the third Visitation, made in 1592, based on a contemporary MS bearing the autograph of Percy, Viscount Strangford, London, 1816, with the addition, from other sources, of some further Pedigrees and Arms." We're uncertain what "contemporary MS" means in this context: an actual manuscript made by a herald in the 1590s, or not? And as to the "autograph of Percy, Viscount Strangford, London, 1816", we are doubtful about the mighty authenticating credibility emanating from the signature of Percy Clinton Sydney Smythe, 6th Viscount Strangford (1780-1855), whose career as a British diplomat went into an abrupt decline when, as ambassador to Russia in 1826, he was caught falsifying dispatches to the British government and revealing confidential documents to the Austrian ambassador in St. Petersburg. At any rate, these are the pertinent passages from the 1924 volume's representation of the 1592 visitation, all on page 92:

    Sr John Colepeper of Bedgebery aforsaide knight Sonne and heire to Walter married Agnes the daughter of . . . . . and by her hathe issue Sr Alexander Colepeper knighte his eldest Sonne […]

    Sr Alexander Colepeper of Bedgebery aforsaide knighte Sonne and heire to Sr John maried to his first wiffe Agnes Daughter to Roger Davye of Northfelde in the County of Kent Esquire and by her had issue Alys. After the saide Sr Alexander maried to his seconde wiffe Constance Daughter to Robert Chamberlein and wydowe of Harper, and her her had issue Thomas Colepeper his eldist Sonne, and Thomas Colepeper second Sonne, and John Colepeper thirde Sonne, Elizabeth maried to St Clere gent., Anne maried to Raulfe Molyns of Barkeshier, and Johan maried to Aldred ffitz James of Somersetshire Esquire, Margarett married to Phillippe Chowte gent and Katherin maried to Edwarde Barrett gent.

    Anne's husband was actually William Molyns, not Raulfe or Ralph. Johanna's husband was Alfred Fitzjames, not Aldred, but given the fluidity of late-medieval names he may well have gone by Aldred two or three times a week. At any rate, even stipulating that these passages represent a perfect copy of the original 1592 visitation, it remains that this information would have been taken down by the heralds from people reciting family history over fifty years after the deaths of Alexander and Constance Culpeper.

    We would like to know if the author of the ODNB essay about Katherine Howard, Retha M. Warnicke, has other sources that would indicate that the courtier Thomas Culpeper was in fact a son of Alexander and Constance. We would also like to know the source for the information that his stated older brother, also named Thomas, was "a client of Thomas Cromwell." In the absence of any such information, we're inclined to believe that this theory of the parentage of the courtier Thomas Culpeper is merely yet another example of the less-than-perfect reliability of visitation pedigrees.

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    (1) Depending on whether TNH, AP, and GFS ancestor Joan Roberts was a daughter of her father Walter Roberts's second wife Isabel Culpepper, daughter of John Culpepper and Agnes Gainsford, as seems most probable, instead of his first wife, Margaret Penn. See Adrian Benjamin Burke, John Blythe Dobson, and Janet Chevally Wolfe, "The Exhurst Ancestry of the Stoughton Siblings of New England", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 165:245, October 2011; 166:46, January 2012.

    (2) And possibly of PNH, if it's ever proved that his 9G-grandfather Henry Colepepper (d. 1675 in Virginia) was a son of his fellow Virginia emigrant John Culpeper (1637-1674), as has often been speculated. If this turned out to be the case, John Culpeper and Agnes Gainsford would be the most recent common ancestors of PNH and TNH.

    Catherine married Henry VIII, King of England on 28 Jul 1540 in Oatlands Palace, Surrey, England. Henry (son of Henry VII, King of England and lord of Ireland and Elizabeth of York, Queen Consort of England) was born on 28 Jun 1491 in Greenwich, Kent, England; died on 28 Jan 1547 in Hampton Court Palace, Richmond upon Thames, London, England; was buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 37.  Isabel Leigh Descendancy chart to this point (24.Joyce6, 15.Richard5, 8.Elizabeth4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died on 16 Feb 1573.

    Notes:

    She was subsequently married to James Stumpe (d. 1563) and then Thomas Stafford. Over the decades she sold off most of her first husband's property in order that she and her husbands could maintain the extravagant lifestyle to which she had become accustomed at the court of Henry VIII.

    Isabel married Edward Baynton about 18 Jan 1532. Edward (son of John Baynton and Joan Digges) was born about 1480 in of Bromham, Wiltshire, England; died on 27 Nov 1544. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 49. Henry Baynton  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1536 in of Edington, Wiltshire, England; died after 1594.

  4. 38.  Elizabeth Grey Descendancy chart to this point (25.Edward6, 16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1484; died after 10 Aug 1530.

    Elizabeth married Edmund Dudley after 1500. Edmund (son of John Dudley and Elizabeth Bramshott) was born about 1462; died on 18 Aug 1510 in Tower Hill, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 50. John Dudley  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1504 and 1506; died on 22 Aug 1553 in Tower Hill, London, England.

  5. 39.  Thomas Grey Descendancy chart to this point (26.John6, 16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in 1451; died on 20 Sep 1501.

    Family/Spouse: Cecily Bonville. Cecily (daughter of William Bonville and Catherine Neville) was born between 1460 and 1461; died on 12 May 1529 in Shacklewell, Hackney, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 51. Thomas Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 22 Jun 1477; died on 10 Oct 1530.

  6. 40.  George Clerke Descendancy chart to this point (27.Elizabeth6, 17.Henry5, 10.Thomas4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in 1510 in of Wrotham, Kent, England; died on 6 Mar 1559 in Wrotham, Kent, England; was buried on 8 Mar 1559 in Wrotham, Kent, England.

    Notes:

    He participated in the suppression of Wyatt's Rebellion with a defeat of rebels near Wrotham on 10 Feb 1554.

    George married Elizabeth Wilsford about 1533. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas Wilsford and Elizabeth Culpeper) was born about 1517. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 52. James Clerke  Descendancy chart to this point died between 13 Jul 1614 and 1 Nov 1614.

  7. 41.  Christopher Willoughby Descendancy chart to this point (28.Cecily6, 18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1453 in of Parham, Suffolk, England; died between 1 Nov 1498 and 13 Jul 1499.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Eresby, Lincolnshire, England

    Christopher married Margaret Jenney before 28 Mar 1482. Margaret (daughter of William Jenney and Elizabeth Cawse) died between 1515 and 1516. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 53. Margaret Willoughby  Descendancy chart to this point died after 14 Nov 1526.

  8. 42.  Eleanor Hoo Descendancy chart to this point (29.Eleanor6, 18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1449.

    Eleanor married James Carew about 1468. James (son of Nicholas Carew and Margaret Fiennes) was born in in of Beddington, Surrey, England; died on 22 Dec 1492. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 54. Richard Carew  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1470 in of Beddington, Surrey, England; died on 23 May 1520.

  9. 43.  William Darcy Descendancy chart to this point (30.Richard6, 19.Joan5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1450 in of Temple Hurst, Yorkshire, England; died on 30 May 1488.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1443

    William married Eupheme Langton after 23 Jan 1461 in Farnley, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 55. Thomas Darcy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1467 in of Temple Hurst, Yorkshire, England; died on 30 Jun 1537 in Tower Hill, London, England; was buried in St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London, England.

  10. 44.  John Talbot Descendancy chart to this point (31.Elizabeth6, 20.Ralph5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1485 in of Grafton, Worcestershire, England; died on 10 Sep 1549; was buried in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Albrighton, Shropshire, England

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Shropshire 1527-28, 1533-34, 1537-38, 1541-42.

    John married Margaret Troutbeck before 1510. Margaret (daughter of Adam Troutbeck and Joan Molyneux) was born about 1492; died after 11 Jul 1521. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 56. Anne Talbot  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1510 and 1515.

  11. 45.  Anne Conyers Descendancy chart to this point (32.Anne6, 21.Anne5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died before 1522.

    Family/Spouse: William Mauleverer. William (son of Robert Mauleverer and Joan Vavasour) was born before 1471 in of Wothersome, Yorkshire, England; died on 10 Aug 1551; was buried on 13 Aug 1551 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 57. Robert Mauleverer  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Wothersome, Yorkshire, England; died before 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England; was buried on 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England.

  12. 46.  Jane de la See Descendancy chart to this point (33.Elizabeth6, 22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died between 20 Jul 1527 and 7 Apr 1528.

    Notes:

    Also called Joan de la See, Joan at See.

    Jane married Peter Hildyard between 1480 and 1485. Peter (son of Robert Hildyard and Elizabeth Hastings) was born about 1460 in of Winestead, Yorkshire, England; died on 20 Mar 1502. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 58. Isabel Hildyard  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1498; died after 10 Jul 1540.

  13. 47.  Margaret Wentworth Descendancy chart to this point (34.Henry6, 22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died in Oct 1550.

    Family/Spouse: John Seymour. John was born in in of Wolfhall, Wiltshire, England; died on 21 Dec 1536; was buried in Easton Priory, Wiltshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 59. Elizabeth Seymour  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1563.
    2. 60. Jane Seymour, Queen Consort of England  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1509 in Wolf Hall, Wiltshire, England; died on 24 Oct 1537 in Hampton Court Palace, Richmond upon Thames, London, England; was buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England.


Generation: 8

  1. 48.  Alice Markenfield Descendancy chart to this point (35.Ninian7, 23.Thomas6, 14.John5, 7.Margaret4, 3.Margaret3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died between 4 Mar 1553 and 7 Mar 1553.

    Alice married Robert Mauleverer before 2 Feb 1525. Robert (son of William Mauleverer and Anne Conyers) was born in in of Wothersome, Yorkshire, England; died before 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England; was buried on 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 61. Dorothy Mauleverer  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1528; died before 31 Mar 1590 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England; was buried on 31 Mar 1590 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England.

  2. 49.  Henry Baynton Descendancy chart to this point (37.Isabel7, 24.Joyce6, 15.Richard5, 8.Elizabeth4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1536 in of Edington, Wiltshire, England; died after 1594.

    Notes:

    MP for Malmesbury, 1572; Devizes, 1584 and 1586; Old Sarum, 1589, and possibly Devizes again in 1593.

    "In 1593 he succeeded his mother to the site and demesnes of the monastery of Edington, Wiltshire. He so despoiled the house there, that the Marquess of Wiltshire alleged that £1000 would not repair it." [Royal Ancestry, citation details below.]

    Family/Spouse: Anne Cavendish. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 62. Ferdinando Baynton  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 28 May 1566; died after 1622.

  3. 50.  John Dudley Descendancy chart to this point (38.Elizabeth7, 25.Edward6, 16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born between 1504 and 1506; died on 22 Aug 1553 in Tower Hill, London, England.

    Notes:

    1st Duke of Northumberland.

    John married Jane Guildford before 1526. Jane (daughter of Edward Guildford and Eleanor West) was born about 1504; died on 22 Jan 1555 in Chelsea, Middlesex, England; was buried on 1 Feb 1555 in Chelsea, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 63. Guildford Dudley  Descendancy chart to this point died on 12 Feb 1554 in Tower Hill, London, England.

  4. 51.  Thomas Grey Descendancy chart to this point (39.Thomas7, 26.John6, 16.Elizabeth5, 9.Henry4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born on 22 Jun 1477; died on 10 Oct 1530.

    Notes:

    2nd Marquess of Dorset.

    Thomas married Margaret Wotton in 1509. Margaret died after 6 Oct 1535. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 64. Henry Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 17 Jan 1517; died on 23 Feb 1554 in Tower Hill, London, England.

  5. 52.  James Clerke Descendancy chart to this point (40.George7, 27.Elizabeth6, 17.Henry5, 10.Thomas4, 4.Philippe3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died between 13 Jul 1614 and 1 Nov 1614.

    Family/Spouse: Mary Saxby. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 65. William Clerke  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of East Farleigh, Kent, England; died before 12 Jun 1610; was buried on 12 Jun 1610 in East Farleigh, Kent, England.

  6. 53.  Margaret Willoughby Descendancy chart to this point (41.Christopher7, 28.Cecily6, 18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died after 14 Nov 1526.

    Family/Spouse: Thomas Tyrrell. Thomas (son of James Tyrrell and Anne Arundell) was born in in of Gipping, Suffolk, England; died between 12 Jun 1551 and 25 Aug 1551. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 66. Anne Tyrrell  Descendancy chart to this point

  7. 54.  Richard Carew Descendancy chart to this point (42.Eleanor7, 29.Eleanor6, 18.Lionel5, 11.Maud4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1470 in of Beddington, Surrey, England; died on 23 May 1520.

    Notes:

    He was made a knight banneret by Henry VII after the battle of Blackheath, 1497.

    Family/Spouse: Malyn Oxenbridge. Malyn (daughter of Robert Oxenbridge and Anne Lyvelode) died on 3 Oct 1544. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 67. Nicholas Carew  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1496; died on 3 Mar 1540 in Tower Hill, London, England; was buried in St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London, England.

  8. 55.  Thomas Darcy Descendancy chart to this point (43.William7, 30.Richard6, 19.Joan5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1467 in of Temple Hurst, Yorkshire, England; died on 30 Jun 1537 in Tower Hill, London, England; was buried in St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London, England.

    Notes:

    He was summoned to Parliament by writ from 17 Oct 1509 to 3 Nov 1529. An opponent of Henry VIII's destruction of the religious houses, he joined the Pilgrimage of Grace and was subsequented convicted of high treason for having delivered up Pontefract Castle to the rebels. He was beheaded on Tower Hill.

    Family/Spouse: Dowsabel Tempest. Dowsabel (daughter of Richard Tempest and Mabel Strickland) died before Dec 1499. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 68. Arthur Darcy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Brimham, Yorkshire, England; died on 3 Apr 1561; was buried in St. Botolph's, Aldgate, London, England.

  9. 56.  Anne Talbot Descendancy chart to this point (44.John7, 31.Elizabeth6, 20.Ralph5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born between 1510 and 1515.

    Anne married Thomas Needham on 1 Feb 1526. Thomas (son of Robert Needham and Agnes Mainwaring) was born in 1510 in of Cranage, Cheshire, England; died before 1556. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 69. Robert Needham  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1535 in of Shavington in Adderley, Shropshire, England; died before 18 Dec 1603; was buried on 18 Dec 1603 in Adderley, Shropshire, England.

  10. 57.  Robert Mauleverer Descendancy chart to this point (45.Anne7, 32.Anne6, 21.Anne5, 12.John4, 5.Katherine3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Wothersome, Yorkshire, England; died before 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England; was buried on 31 Jan 1541 in Bardsey, Yorkshire, England.

    Notes:

    They were granted, by Cardinal Wolsey, a dispensation to marry, as they were related in the fourth degree.

    Robert married Alice Markenfield before 2 Feb 1525. Alice (daughter of Ninian Markenfield and Dorothy Gascoigne) died between 4 Mar 1553 and 7 Mar 1553. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 61. Dorothy Mauleverer  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1528; died before 31 Mar 1590 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England; was buried on 31 Mar 1590 in Almondbury, Yorkshire, England.

  11. 58.  Isabel Hildyard Descendancy chart to this point (46.Jane7, 33.Elizabeth6, 22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1498; died after 10 Jul 1540.

    Isabel married Ralph Legard about 1520. Ralph (son of Robert Legard and Joan Haldenby) was born about 1490 in of Anlaby, Yorkshire, England; died on 30 Jun 1540. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 70. Joan Legard  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1530; died after 7 Mar 1586.

  12. 59.  Elizabeth Seymour Descendancy chart to this point (47.Margaret7, 34.Henry6, 22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) died in 1563.

    Family/Spouse: Anthony Oughtred. Anthony died in 1534. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Family/Spouse: Gregory Cromwell. Gregory (son of Thomas Cromwell and Elizabeth Wykes) died in 1551. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  13. 60.  Jane Seymour, Queen Consort of England Descendancy chart to this point (47.Margaret7, 34.Henry6, 22.Mary5, 13.John4, 6.Thomas3, 2.Roger2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1509 in Wolf Hall, Wiltshire, England; died on 24 Oct 1537 in Hampton Court Palace, Richmond upon Thames, London, England; was buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England.

    Jane married Henry VIII, King of England on 30 May 1536 in Whitehall Palace, London, England. Henry (son of Henry VII, King of England and lord of Ireland and Elizabeth of York, Queen Consort of England) was born on 28 Jun 1491 in Greenwich, Kent, England; died on 28 Jan 1547 in Hampton Court Palace, Richmond upon Thames, London, England; was buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor, Berkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 71. Edward VI, King of England  Descendancy chart to this point