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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Roger de Venables was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died about 1261.

    Notes:

    "In 1259, the Chronicle of St. Werburgh records a trial in which Sir Roger recovered possession of the church of Astbury against the abbot of St. Werburgh. The monks claimed it was recovered by a false assize. Shortly afterwards it was regained by the abbot and within a year, the monks had the opportunity of recording the death of Sir Roger, as the judgment of heaven in their favor." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Roger married Alice Pennington about 1240. Alice (daughter of Alan de Pennington) was born in of Pennington, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. William de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1292.
    2. 3. Margaret Venables  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  William de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1292.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1293

    William married Margaret de Dutton in 1253. Margaret (daughter of Thomas de Dutton and Philippe de Standon) was born in of Dutton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England; died after 1293. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 4. Hugh de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died before 25 Apr 1311.
    2. 5. William de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Bradwall, Cheshire, England.

  2. 3.  Margaret Venables Descendancy chart to this point (1.Roger1)

    Family/Spouse: Roger Domville. Roger was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. Roger de Domville  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Hugh de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died before 25 Apr 1311.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1310
    • Alternate death: 1311

    Notes:

    "Guilty of contempt 1292 for not taking up knighthood. Called a knight in a charter of 1309. Commissioner of Array to raise 400 foot in Cheshire, 1308." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Hugh married Agatha de Vernon between 20 Nov 1294 and 20 Nov 1295. Agatha (daughter of Ralph de Vernon) was born about 1280 in of Shipbrook, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died after 1349. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. Hugh de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died between 1367 and 1368.

  2. 5.  William de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Bradwall, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Agnes de Legh. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. John de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point died before Apr 1324.

  3. 6.  Roger de Domville Descendancy chart to this point (3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. John Domville  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 7.  Hugh de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died between 1367 and 1368.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Oct 1367

    Notes:

    Baron of Kinderton.

    Family/Spouse: Katherine de Hoghton. Katherine (daughter of Richard de Hoghton and Sybil de Lea) was born in of Houghton, Lancashire, England; died after Nov 1367. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 10. Joan de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1330 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died after 18 Aug 1397.
    2. 11. Hugh de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1347 in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1379.

  2. 8.  John de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) died before Apr 1324.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1339

    Notes:

    Also called John de Legh, from his mother's manor of Legh, his birthplace and early residence.

    Family/Spouse: Ellen. Ellen died after 1295. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 12. Robert de Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died about 1370 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

  3. 9.  John Domville Descendancy chart to this point (6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Maud de Brereton. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 13. John de Domville  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England; died between 1392 and 1394.

    Family/Spouse: Maude Downes. Maude (daughter of Robert Downes and Margaret Fitton) was born in of Chorlegh, Cheshire, England; died after 1347. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]



Generation: 5

  1. 10.  Joan de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1330 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died after 18 Aug 1397.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1400

    Notes:

    "[Sir Thomas de Lathom's] 2nd wife, Joan Venables, was a notorious character who is said to have neglected and abused her husband while he lay dying, to have lived openly in the same house with her lover, Roger Fazakerley, and married him after consigning Sir Thomas to a speedy burial without ceremony or mourners." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz places her a a daughter of Hugh de Venables (d. 1310) and Agatha de Vernon, but Royal Ancestry (v. 5, p. 25) places her as a daughter of his son, as we show her here.

    Family/Spouse: Thomas de Lathom. Thomas (son of Thomas de Lathom and Eleanor de Ferrers) was born in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died before 20 Mar 1382; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. Isabel Lathom  Descendancy chart to this point died on 26 Oct 1414.

  2. 11.  Hugh de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born before 1347 in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1379.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Between 1379 and 1380
    • Alternate death: Between 1382 and 1383
    • Alternate death: Bef 18 Apr 1382

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Cheshire 1378.

    Family/Spouse: Margery de Cotton. Margery (daughter of Hugh de Cotton and Isabel de Hayton) died after Feb 1398. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Richard de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died on 23 Jul 1403 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.
    2. 16. Margery de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1448; was buried in South Chapel, Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England.
    3. 17. Anyll de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point

  3. 12.  Robert de Legh Descendancy chart to this point (8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died about 1370 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Sybil de Honford. Sybil (daughter of Henry de Honford) died after 1335. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 18. Robert de Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died on 11 Nov 1382.
    2. 19. Margaret de Legh  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1365.

    Family/Spouse: Maud de Norlegh. Maud (daughter of Thurstan de Northlegh and Margery de Walton) died after 1374. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 20. Piers Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1360 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died on 10 Aug 1399 in Chester, Cheshire, England.

  4. 13.  John de Domville Descendancy chart to this point (9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Oxton, Cheshire, England; died between 1392 and 1394.

    Family/Spouse: Cecily de Mobberley. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 21. Margery de Domville  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1414.


Generation: 6

  1. 14.  Isabel Lathom Descendancy chart to this point (10.Joan5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) died on 26 Oct 1414.

    Notes:

    Ormerod, both in his history of Cheshire and in Parentalia, gives this Isabel as a daughter of Thomas Lathom's first wife, also Isabel, daughter of Roger de Pilkington. But the Feet of Fines for Yorkshire dated Quindene of Easter, 50 Edw. III, 1376, contains the lines "remainder to Thomas son of the same Thomas de Lathum and the heirs male of his body; remainder to Isabel daughter of Thomas de Lathum and Joan and the heirs male of her body." Which might indicate that Thomas was a son of the first marriage, but clearly shows that Isabel was a daughter of the second.

    Isabel married John Stanley, Titular King of Man before 1385. John (son of William de Stanley and Alice) was born about 1350 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 6 Jan 1414 in Ardee, Louth, Ireland; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Thomas Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Elford, Staffordshire, England; died on 13 May 1463; was buried in Elford, Staffordshire, England.
    2. 23. John Stanley, Titular King of Man  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1386 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 27 Nov 1437.

  2. 15.  Richard de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died on 23 Jul 1403 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Cheshire 1386.

    Fought in the rebel army at Shrewsbury, following which he was (according to some sources) beheaded or (according to others) hanged, drawn, and quartered.

    Richard married Isabel de Langton before 21 Jun 1385. Isabel (daughter of Ralph de Langton and Joan de Radcliffe) was born in of Newton and Walton, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Joan de Venables  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England.

  3. 16.  Margery de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1448; was buried in South Chapel, Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Between 1448 and 1449, Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
    • Alternate death: 1459

    Margery married Randall Mainwaring between 1392 and 1393. Randall (son of William Mainwaring and Elizabeth Leycester) was born in of Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England; died in 1456; was buried in South Chapel, Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. William Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died between 1496 and 1499.
    2. 26. Margery de Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1430.
    3. 27. Ralph Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Kermingham, Cheshire, England; died between 1473 and 1474.
    4. 28. Cecily Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point

  4. 17.  Anyll de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Notes:

    "Being related to her husband in the 4th degree, they received a dispensation from Pope Urban VI through Richard de Dounes, prior of the Carmelites of Chester, in consequence of the services of Sir William in the crusade against Enrique, King of Castile." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Anyll married William de Brereton in 1386 in Audlem, Cheshire, England. William (son of William de Brereton and Ellen de Egerton) was born on 14 Feb 1349 in Egerton, Cheshire, England; died before 31 Aug 1426. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 29. William Brereton  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Brereton, Cheshire, England; died in 1415 in Harfleur, Normandy, France.
    2. 30. Eleanor Brereton  Descendancy chart to this point

  5. 18.  Robert de Legh Descendancy chart to this point (12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died on 11 Nov 1382.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1382

    Family/Spouse: Maud de Arderne. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Robert de Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; was christened on 2 Mar 1361 in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died in 1408.

  6. 19.  Margaret de Legh Descendancy chart to this point (12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) died after 1365.

    Family/Spouse: John de Ashton. John was born in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died about 1360. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 32. John Assheton  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1354 in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died about 1398.

  7. 20.  Piers Legh Descendancy chart to this point (12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1360 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died on 10 Aug 1399 in Chester, Cheshire, England.

    Notes:

    He was "executed 10 August 1399 at Chester by Henry Bolingbroke, on account of his support of Richard II, his 'mutilated body' being consigned to the Carmelite Friars of Chester for burial." [John Blythe Dobson, citation details below]

    Piers married Margaret Danyers on 26 Nov 1388. Margaret (daughter of Thomas Danyers and Isabel Baggiley) was born about 2 May 1348; died on 24 Jun 1428. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Piers Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1390 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died in 1422 in Paris, France; was buried in St. Michael's, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

  8. 21.  Margery de Domville Descendancy chart to this point (13.John5, 9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) died after 1414.

    Family/Spouse: Hugh de Hulse. Hugh (son of Hugh de Holes and Ellen Bruen) was born in of Raby, Cheshire, England; died about 1415. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Thomas Hulse  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Brunstath, Cheshire, England; died about 1421.
    2. 35. Eleanor de Holes  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1419.


Generation: 7

  1. 22.  Thomas Stanley Descendancy chart to this point (14.Isabel6, 10.Joan5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Elford, Staffordshire, England; died on 13 May 1463; was buried in Elford, Staffordshire, England.

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire, 1427-28. Sheriff of Staffordshire, 1433-34, 1438-39. Knight of the shire for Staffordshire.

    Thomas married Maud Arderne before 1 May 1413. Maud (daughter of John Arderne and Margaret Pilkington) was born on 2 Jul 1396; died between 1430 and 1432. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 36. Anne Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 23.  John Stanley, Titular King of Man Descendancy chart to this point (14.Isabel6, 10.Joan5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1386 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 27 Nov 1437.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1 Sep 1427
    • Alternate death: Dec 1437

    Notes:

    Knight of the shire for Lancashire, 1413 and 1414. Justice of Chester. Sheriff of Anglesey. Steward of the household of Henry IV.

    Fought at Agincourt with eight men-at-arms and 24 archers.

    Quoted in Wikipedia, A. W. Moore (1853-1909), Speaker of the House of Keys, the lower house of the Manx legislature, said of him: "He may justly be considered an enlightened and upright ruler, much in advance of his time. He caused the ancient laws and constitutions of his little kingdom to be reduced to writing, he humbled the overbearing ecclesiastical authorities, and, after he had practically concentrated all power into his own hands, he wisely conceded a representative form of government."

    John married Elizabeth Harington before 1405. Elizabeth (daughter of Nicholas Harington and Isabel English) died after 22 Mar 1445. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. Thomas Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1406 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 11 Feb 1459; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

  3. 24.  Joan de Venables Descendancy chart to this point (15.Richard6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Thomas le Grosvenor. Thomas (son of Robert le Grosvenor and Joan de Pulford) was born in of Hulme, Cheshire, England; died in 1429. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 38. Thomas Grosvenor  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Drayton, Staffordshire, England; died after 1450.

  4. 25.  William Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died between 1496 and 1499.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: of Over Peover, Bucklow, Cheshire, England
    • Alternate death: 1497
    • Alternate death: 6 Mar 1498
    • Alternate death: 1499
    • Alternate death: 6 Mar 1499

    Notes:

    "Married the heiress of Ightfield, Shropshire." [Kay Allen, citation details below]

    William Mainwaring (d. <1500) = Margaret Warren (b. 1401)
    Thomas Mainwaring (d. 1508) = Joan Sutton
    John Mainwairing (d. 1518) = Joan Lacon (d. 1524)
    Richard Mainwaring (d. 1558) = Dorothy Corbet
    Arthur Mainwaring (d. 1590) = Margaret Mainwaring
    Mary Mainwaring (~1541-1578) = Richard Cotton (~1539-1602)
    Frances Cotton (d. >1630) = George Abell (d. 1630)
    Robert Abell (~1605-1663) = Joanna (d. >1682)
    Caleb Abell (~1647-1731) = Margaret Post (1653-1700)
    Experience Abell (1674-1763) = John Hyde (1667-1727)
    James Hyde (1707-1793) = Sarah Marshall (1720-1773)
    Abiah Hyde (1749-1788) = Rev. Aaron Cleveland (1744-1815)
    William Cleveland (1770-1837) = Margaret Falley (1766-1850)
    Rev. Richard Falley Cleveland (1804-1853) = Anne Neal (1806-1882)
    (Stephen) Grover Cleveland (1837-1908)

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Warren. Margaret (daughter of John Warren and Margaret Cheyne) was born before 11 Jun 1401 in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; was christened on 11 Jun 1401. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 39. Elizabeth Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England.

  5. 26.  Margery de Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) died after 1430.

    Family/Spouse: William de Bromley. William (son of John de Bromley and Margery Mascy) was born in of Baddington, Cheshire, England; died about 1430. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. John Bromley  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Baddington, Cheshire, England; died after 26 Apr 1467.

  6. 27.  Ralph Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Kermingham, Cheshire, England; died between 1473 and 1474.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Savage. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 41. William Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Wich Malbank, Cheshire, England.

  7. 28.  Cecily Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Cecily married Thomas de Fouleshurst before 1418. Thomas (son of Thomas de Fouleshurst and Joan Fitz Piers) was born between 1395 and 1397 in Glenfield, Leicester, England; died on 24 Jun 1438. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 42. Robert de Fouleshurst  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 17 Oct 1418 in of Crewe, Cheshire, England; died on 3 Dec 1498.

  8. 29.  William Brereton Descendancy chart to this point (17.Anyll6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Brereton, Cheshire, England; died in 1415 in Harfleur, Normandy, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1420, Harfleur, Normandy, France

    Family/Spouse: Alice Corbet. Alice (daughter of John Corbet) died about 1459. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 43. Isabel Brereton  Descendancy chart to this point

  9. 30.  Eleanor Brereton Descendancy chart to this point (17.Anyll6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Notes:

    Ormerod and the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography both call her Elizabeth Brereton.

    Eleanor married John Savage before 1423. John (son of John Savage and Maud Swynnerton) was born between 1401 and 1410 in of Clifton, Cheshire, England; died on 26 Jun 1463. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 44. Margaret Savage  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 45. John Savage, Mayor of Chester  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1423 in of Rocksavage, Cheshire, England; died on 22 Nov 1495; was buried in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

  10. 31.  Robert de Legh Descendancy chart to this point (18.Robert6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; was christened on 2 Mar 1361 in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died in 1408.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1411

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Cheshire 1393-94; 1396-97; 1399-1400. Constable of the castle of Oswaldestre. Deputy steward and master of the forests of Cheshire, 1401.

    Family/Spouse: Isabella Belgrave. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 46. Robert de Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died on 26 Sep 1415 in Harfleur, Normandy, France.

  11. 32.  John Assheton Descendancy chart to this point (19.Margaret6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1354 in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died about 1398.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1392

    Notes:

    Also called John de Ashton. Knighted in 1377. "John de Ashton is said to have distinguished himself at the siege of Noyon in 1370, and represented the county in Parliament in 1382, 1388, and 1390." [VCH Lancaster, citation details below]

    History of Parliament (citation details below) gives his dates as a knight of the shire for Lancashire as Oct 1382, Sep 1388, and Jan 1390.

    John married Joan Radclyffe before 1366. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 47. John Assheton  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died on 3 Sep 1428.

  12. 33.  Piers Legh Descendancy chart to this point (20.Piers6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1390 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died in 1422 in Paris, France; was buried in St. Michael's, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

    Notes:

    Fought at Agincourt, where he was wounded.

    Piers married Joan de Haydock about 1403. Joan (daughter of Gilbert de Haydock and Sibyl) died on 17 Jan 1440; was buried in Sefton, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 48. Peter Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Jun 1415 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died in 1478 in Bradley-in-Burtonwood, Lancashire, England.

  13. 34.  Thomas Hulse Descendancy chart to this point (21.Margery6, 13.John5, 9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Brunstath, Cheshire, England; died about 1421.

    Notes:

    Also called Thomas Holes.

    Family/Spouse: Alice. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 49. Margery Hulse  Descendancy chart to this point died on 11 Nov 1456.

  14. 35.  Eleanor de Holes Descendancy chart to this point (21.Margery6, 13.John5, 9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) died after 1419.

    Eleanor married Richard Vernon in 1408. Richard (son of Richard Vernon and Elizabeth Malbank) was born between 1380 and 1382 in of Shipbrook, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died on 3 Sep 1419 in France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 50. Joan Vernon  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 3 Jul 1417; died after 1467.


Generation: 8

  1. 36.  Anne Stanley Descendancy chart to this point (22.Thomas7, 14.Isabel6, 10.Joan5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Anne married John Gresley before 1455. John (son of John Gresley and Elizabeth Clarell) was born about 1418 in of Drakelow, Derbyshire, England; died on 30 Jan 1487. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 51. Thomasine Gresley  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 37.  Thomas Stanley Descendancy chart to this point (23.John7, 14.Isabel6, 10.Joan5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born before 1406 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 11 Feb 1459; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

    Notes:

    Lieutenant-Governor of Ireland. Constable of Chester. Chamberlain of North Wales. Justice of Chester. Chief Steward of the Duchy of Lancaster. Controller of the royal household. Privy concillor.

    Knight of the shire for Lancashire 1427, 1433, 1439, 1442, 1447, 1449, 1450, 1453, 1455. Summoned to Parliament by writ dated 15 Jan 1456.

    Thomas Stanley (d. 1459) = Joan Goushill
    Katherine Stanley = John Savage (1422-1495)
    Margaret Savage = John Honford (1435-1480)
    Katherine Honford (d. 1529) = John Mainwaring (1471-1516)
    Randall Mainwaring (1495-1557) = Elizabeth Brereton
    Margaret Mainwaring (1521-1590) = Arthur Mainwaring (1520-1590)
    Mary Mainwaring (1541-1578) = Richard Cotton (1541-1602)
    Frances Cotton (1573-1646) = George Abell (1561-1630)
    Robert Abell (1605-1663) = Joanna
    Mary Abell (b. 1642) = Samuel Luther (1638-1716)
    Mehitable Luther (1676-1764) = Ebenezer Cole (1671-1719)
    Ebenezer Cole (b. 1715) = Prudence Miller (b. 1721)
    Ruth Cole (b. 1744) = John Thurber (b. 1735)
    John Thurber (1774-1826) = Freelove Thurston (1778-1832)
    Sarah Ann Thurber = Peleg Hull
    Sarah Emeline Hull = Leander Thurber (1832-1867)
    Charles Leander Thurber (1867-1939) = Mary Agnes Fisher (1868-1955)
    James Grover Thurber (1894-1961)

    Family/Spouse: Joan Goushill. Joan (daughter of Robert Goushill and Elizabeth Fitz Alan) was born about 1401; died before 27 Apr 1466. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 52. Margaret Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point died about 1481.
    2. 53. Katherine Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point was buried in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.
    3. 54. John Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Weever and Over Alderley, Cheshire, England; died between 1476 and 1485.
    4. 55. Thomas Stanley  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1433; died on 29 Jul 1504 in Lathom, Cheshire, England; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

  3. 38.  Thomas Grosvenor Descendancy chart to this point (24.Joan7, 15.Richard6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Drayton, Staffordshire, England; died after 1450.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: of Hulme, Cheshire, England
    • Alternate birth: of Bellaport, Muckleston, Shropshire, England

    Family/Spouse: Isabella Peshale. Isabella (daughter of Richard Peshale and Margaret Malpas) was born in of Bellaport, Muckleston, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 56. Randle Grosvenor  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1450 in of Bellaport, Muckleston, Shropshire, England; died on 1 Mar 1522.

  4. 39.  Elizabeth Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (25.William7, 16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England.

    Notes:

    Called "Anne Mainwaring" in some sources, including AR8.

    Family/Spouse: Richard Charlton. Richard (son of Robert Charlton and Mary Corbet) was born in 1450 in of Apley near Wellington, Shropshire, England; died in 1522. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 57. Anne Charlton  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1480.
    2. 58. Anne Charlton  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1480.

  5. 40.  John Bromley Descendancy chart to this point (26.Margery7, 16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Baddington, Cheshire, England; died after 26 Apr 1467.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1486

    Notes:

    Fought on the Lancastrian side at Blore Heath; he was one of the few Lancastrian survivors.

    Said to have had a relationship with Martha Woodville, a sister of Elizabeth Woodville who married Edward IV.

    John married Joane Hexstall before 18 Mar 1453. Joane (daughter of William Hexstall and Margaret Bromley) died after 26 Apr 1467. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 59. Isabel Bromley  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 60. Margaret Bromley  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1469.

  6. 41.  William Mainwaring Descendancy chart to this point (27.Ralph7, 16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Wich Malbank, Cheshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Tytley. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 61. George Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Exeter, Devon, England.

  7. 42.  Robert de Fouleshurst Descendancy chart to this point (28.Cecily7, 16.Margery6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born on 17 Oct 1418 in of Crewe, Cheshire, England; died on 3 Dec 1498.

    Robert married Joan Vernon between March 1422 and Aug 1422. Joan (daughter of Richard Vernon and Eleanor de Holes) was born on 3 Jul 1417; died after 1467. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 62. Cecily Fouleshurst  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1440; died on 24 May 1502.

  8. 43.  Isabel Brereton Descendancy chart to this point (29.William7, 17.Anyll6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Family/Spouse: Robert Aston. Robert (son of Roger Aston and Joyce Freville) was born about 1414 in of Haywood in Colwich, Staffordshire, England; died in 1464. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 63. John Aston  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Brocton in Baswich, Staffordshire, England; died in 1483.

  9. 44.  Margaret Savage Descendancy chart to this point (30.Eleanor7, 17.Anyll6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1)

    Family/Spouse: Ralph Mainwaring. Ralph (son of Randall Mainwaring and Margery de Venables) was born in of Kermingham, Cheshire, England; died between 1473 and 1474. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 64. William Mainwaring  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Wich Malbank, Cheshire, England.

  10. 45.  John Savage, Mayor of Chester Descendancy chart to this point (30.Eleanor7, 17.Anyll6, 11.Hugh5, 7.Hugh4, 4.Hugh3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born about 1423 in of Rocksavage, Cheshire, England; died on 22 Nov 1495; was buried in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: of Clifton, Cheshire, England
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1422

    Notes:

    Fought at Bosworth Field. Mayor of Chester, 1484-86. Chamberlain of Middlewich.

    "Although there is a possibility that John (III) entered the service of the house of York, it seems more likely that it was his son Sir John (IV) Savage (c. 1423–1495) who did so. He was therefore well placed to benefit from Henry VI's deposition. John (III) served as deputy to Sir Thomas Stanley, afterwards Baron Stanley, as steward of the duchy lordship of Halton, Cheshire. John (IV) married Stanley's daughter Katherine; the couple's children were many and prominent. Aside from John (V), Savage's son and heir, there was Thomas Savage (d. 1507), who rose to be bishop of Rochester in 1492, and of London in 1497, and archbishop of York in 1501, Sir Humphrey, Lawrence, James, Sir Edmund, Christopher, William, George, and Richard. His daughters made good matches, with Ellen being married to Peter Legh of Lyme, Katherine to Thomas Legh of Adlington, Margaret to Edmund Trafford of Trafford, Lancashire, Alice to Roger Pilkington (d. 1527) , and Elizabeth to John Leek of Langford, Derbyshire. John (IV) was knighted at Elizabeth Woodville's coronation in May 1465, and although he is not always easily distinguished from his son and namesake, he probably also became a knight of the body to Edward IV, and a banneret after the Scottish campaign of 1482; he was also very prominent in local affairs in Cheshire and the north midlands. In 1484, as mayor of Chester, he presided when his sons were made freemen of the city." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, citation details below]

    Family/Spouse: Katherine Stanley. Katherine (daughter of Thomas Stanley and Joan Goushill) was buried in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 65. John Savage  Descendancy chart to this point died on 18 Oct 1492 in Bouteville, Poitou-Charentes, France; was buried in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England.
    2. 66. Thomas Savage, Archbishop of York  Descendancy chart to this point died on 3 Sep 1507 in Cawood Castle, Cawood, North Yorkshire, England; was buried in York Cathedral, York, Yorkshire, England.
    3. 67. Ellen Savage  Descendancy chart to this point died on 17 May 1491 in Bewganet, Sussex, England.
    4. 68. Margaret Savage  Descendancy chart to this point died after Aug 1513.

  11. 46.  Robert de Legh Descendancy chart to this point (31.Robert7, 18.Robert6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Adlington, Cheshire, England; died on 26 Sep 1415 in Harfleur, Normandy, France.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1410

    Notes:

    Died of the plague during the siege of Harfleur.

    Family/Spouse: Maud Belgrave. Maud was born about 1388; died in 1478. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 69. Robert Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1410 in Adlington, Cheshire, England; was christened in 1410 in Prestbury, Cheshire, England; died on 21 Jan 1479.

  12. 47.  John Assheton Descendancy chart to this point (32.John7, 19.Margaret6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died on 3 Sep 1428.

    Notes:

    "John Assheton (II), of Ashton-under Lyne, co. Lancaster, entered the service of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, in the 1380s, created a Knight of the Bath at the coronation of John's son, Henry IV (1399), Knight of the Shire for Lancashire in the parliament of 1413, appointed Seneschal of Bayeux after its capture in 1416, born after 1338 (under-age in 1360), died 3 September 1428. This man's marriages, and particularly the maternity of his son Thomas, appear to be the object of some confusion. One source states that he married (1) Isabel Kirkby, granddaughter and heiress of Sir Richard Kirkby, implying that she was mother of his son Thomas, and (without explanation) makes him married (2) to ________. Another source states that he married (1) Jane, daughter of Sir John Savile, of Tankersleigh, and that she was mother of his son Thomas. The various accounts of this man agree however in making him marry finally, by 1420, Margaret, widow of Sir William Atherton and of Sir Maurice Berkeley, and daughter of Sir John Byron, of Clayton (by whom he was ancestor of the extinct house of Baronets Assheton of Middleton). He married by 1403 (if she was mother of his son Thomas), Isabel Kirkby, granddaughter and heiress of Sir Richard Kirkby." [John Blythe Dobson, citation details below]

    His History of Parliament (citation details below) entry says that he was a knight of the shire for Lancashire in 1411, May 1413, and March 1416.

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 70. Thomas Assheton  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1403 in of Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England; died after 9 Mar 1446.

  13. 48.  Peter Legh Descendancy chart to this point (33.Piers7, 20.Piers6, 12.Robert5, 8.John4, 5.William3, 2.William2, 1.Roger1) was born in Jun 1415 in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died in 1478 in Bradley-in-Burtonwood, Lancashire, England.

    Notes:

    Fought on the Yorkist side at Wakefield, for which he was made a knight banneret by Richard, duke of York, father of Edward IV.

    Peter married Margaret Molyneux between 1430 and 1432. Margaret (daughter of Richard Molyneux and Ellen Radcliffe) died on 13 May 1460 in Bradley-in-Burtonwood, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 71. Peter Legh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Lyme in Handley, Cheshire, England; died about 1468 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England; was buried in Winwick, Cheshire, England.

  14. 49.  Margery Hulse Descendancy chart to this point (34.Thomas7, 21.Margery6, 13.John5, 9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) died on 11 Nov 1456.

    Family/Spouse: John Troutbeck. John (son of William Troutbeck and Joanna Massey) was born about 1413 in of Oxhey, Hertfordshire, England; died on 28 Aug 1457. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 72. William Troutbeck  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1432 and 1435 in of Dunham-on-the-Hill, Cheshire, England; died on 23 Sep 1459 in Blore Heath, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Troutneck chapel, St. Mary's, Chester, Cheshire, England.

  15. 50.  Joan Vernon Descendancy chart to this point (35.Eleanor7, 21.Margery6, 13.John5, 9.John4, 6.Roger3, 3.Margaret2, 1.Roger1) was born on 3 Jul 1417; died after 1467.

    Joan married Robert de Fouleshurst between March 1422 and Aug 1422. Robert (son of Thomas de Fouleshurst and Cecily Mainwaring) was born on 17 Oct 1418 in of Crewe, Cheshire, England; died on 3 Dec 1498. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 62. Cecily Fouleshurst  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1440; died on 24 May 1502.


 

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