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Alice of Northumberland

Female - Aft 1126


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Alice of Northumberland died after 1126.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1141

    Notes:

    Also called Alice Waltheof.

    Alice married Ralph de Tony in 1103. Ralph (son of Radulf III de Tosny and Isabel de Montfort) was born about 1081; died in 1126; was buried in Châtillon-les-Conches Abbey, Eure, Normandy, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Roger de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1104 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died after 29 Sep 1158.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Roger de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (1.Alice1) was born about 1104 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died after 29 Sep 1158.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1160

    Notes:

    Also called Roger de Conches.

    Roger married Ida de Hainaut about 9 Aug 1138. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. Godehilde de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1186.
    2. 4. Ralph de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1140 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died in 1162.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  Godehilde de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 1186.

    Notes:

    Also called Godeheut, Godehold.

    Family/Spouse: William de Mohun. William (son of William de Mohun and Agnes de Gant) was born in in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died in 1176. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 5. William de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1156 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died in Oct 1193.

  2. 4.  Ralph de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1140 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died in 1162.

    Notes:

    Also called Ralph de Conches.

    Ralph married Margaret of Leicester after 1155. Margaret (daughter of Robert of Meulan and Amice de Gael) was born about 1125; died after 1185. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. Roger de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died in Jan 1209.
    2. 7. Ida de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 4

  1. 5.  William de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1156 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died in Oct 1193.

    Notes:

    "William de Mohun died in October 1193, perhaps abroad." [Royal Ancestry, also "The Trowbridge Ancestry", citation details below.] Some sources say Jerusalem. Contemporary records show that he made a pilgrimage there but do not clarify where he died.

    Family/Spouse: Lucy. Lucy died after 1201. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. Reynold I de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1183 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died in 1213.

  2. 6.  Roger de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died in Jan 1209.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1160

    Notes:

    Also called Roger de Tonches. Founded the nunnery of St. Giles in the Wood, Flamstead, Hertfordshire.

    "Went with Richard I on Crusade, 1191, and distinguished himself at Arsulf and fought against the Saracens at ElKhuweilfe, 1192. In 1204 he lost all of his Norman lands to the King of France." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz]

    Roger married Constance de Beaumont in 1175. Constance (daughter of Richard I de Beaumont and Lucy de l'Aigle) died after 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. Ralph VI de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1189 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died about 29 Sep 1239 in At sea.

  3. 7.  Ida de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Notes:

    Stewart Baldwin, at The Henry Project, states that "The parentage of Ida remains unknown":

    While it had been known for some time that the mother of William was a "countess" Ida, her identity was only recently proven. As one of two known contemporary English countesses named Ida, the wife of Roger Bigod had already been a prime candidate [see Paul C. Reed, "Countess Ida, mother of William Longespée, illegitimate son of Henry II", TAG 77 (2002), which was going to press just as the crucial discovery was made]. Convincing proof of her identity as the wife of Roger Bigod was only recently discovered by Raymond W. Phair, who announced his discovery in the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 3 July 2002, and then published it in The American Genealogist [Raymond W. Phair, "William Longespée, Ralph Bigod, and Countess Ida", TAG 77 (2002), 279-81], citing a list of prisoners after the Battle of Bouvines in 1214, in which Ralph Bigod was called a brother of the earl of Salisbury. The parentage of Ida remains unknown, but see Reed (2002) for the possibility that she might have been a daughter of Roger de Toeni and Ida of Hainault.

    Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry (2013) gives Ida de Tony as a daughter of Ralph de Tony and Margaret of Leicester. Richardson set forth his arguments for this in a 2008 post to soc.genealogy.medieval, reproduced below:

    From: Douglas Richardson
    Subject: Ida de Tony, wife of Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, and mother of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury
    Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:32:55 -0800 (PST)

    [...] For conclusive evidence that Ida, wife of Earl Roger le Bigod, was a member of the Tony family, see Morris, The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the 13th Century (2005): 2, who cites a royal inquest dated 1275, in which the jurors affirmed that Earl Roger le Bigod had received the manors of Acle, Halvergate, and South Walsham, Norfolk from King Henry II, in marriage with his wife, Ida de Tony (citing Rotuli Hundredorum 1 (1812): 504, 537). Morris shows that Earl Roger le Bigod received these manors by writ of the king, he having held them for three quarters of a year at Michaelmas 1182 (citing PR 28 Henry II, 1181-1182 (Pipe Roll Soc.) (1910):64). This appears to pinpoint to marriage of Ida de Tony and Earl Roger le Bigod as having occurred about Christmas 1181.

    For evidence that Ida de Tony was the mother of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury (illegitimate son of King Henry II of England), see London, Cartulary of Bradenstoke Priory (Wiltshire Rec. Soc. 35) (1979): 143, 188, which includes two charters in which Earl William Longespee specifically names his mother as Countess Ida. Furthermore, among the prisoners captured at the Battle of Bouvines in 1214 was a certain Ralph [le] Bigod, who a contemporary French record names as "brother" [i.e., half-brother] to William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury [see Brial, Monumens de Règnes des Philippe Auguste et de Louis VIII 1 (Recueil des Historiens des Gaules et de la France 17) (1878): 101 (Guillelmus Armoricus: "Isti sunt Prisiones (capti in bello Bovinensi)...Radulphus Bigot, frater Comitis Saresburiensis"); see also Malo, Un grand feudataire, Renaud de Dammartin et la coalition de Bouvines (1898):199, 209].

    As for Countess Ida's parentage, it seems virtually certain that she was a daughter of Ralph V de Tony (died 1162), of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, by his wife, Margaret (b. c.1125, living 1185), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester [see C.P.7 (1929): 530, footnote e (incorrectly dates Ralph and Margaret's marriage as "after 1155" based on the misdating of a charter --correction provided by Ray Phair); C.P. 12(1) (1953): 764 - 765 (sub Tony); Power, The Norman Frontier in the Twelfth and Early Thirteenth Centuries (2004): 525 (Tosny pedigree)].

    For evidence which supports Ida's placement as a child of Ralph V de Tony, several facts may be noted. First, Countess Ida and her husband, Roger le Bigod, are known to have named children, Ralph and Margaret, presumably in honor of Ida's parents, Ralph and Margaret de Tony [see Thompson, Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmenis (Surtees Soc. 136) (1923): fo.63b, for a contemporary list of the Bigod children]. Countess Ida was herself evidently named in honor of Ralph V de Tony's mother, Ida of Hainault. Next, William Longespee and his descendants had a long standing association with the family of Roger de Akeny, of Garsington, Oxfordshire, which Roger was a younger brother of Ralph V de Tony (died 1162) [see C.P. 8 (1932): chart foll. 464; 14 (1998): 614; Loyd, Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Fams. (1951): 2; VCH Oxford 5 (1957): 138; Harper-Bill, Dodnash Priory Charters (Suffolk Rec. Soc. 16) (1998): 34 - 37, 39 - 40, 72 - 73; Fam. Hist. 18 (1995 - 97): 47 - 64; 19 (1998): 125 - 129]. Lastly, Roger le Bigod and his step-son William Longespée both had associations with William the Lion, King of Scots, which connection can be readily explained by virtue of King William's wife, Ermengarde, being sister to Constance de Beaumont, wife of Countess Ida's presumed brother, Roger VI de Tony [see C.P. 12(1) (1953): 760 - 769 (sub Tony)].

    William the Lion was likewise near related to both of Countess Ida's presumed parents, her father by a shared descent from Countess Judith, niece of William the Conqueror, and her mother by a shared descent from Isabel de Vermandois, Countess of Surrey. Roger le Bigod and William Longespee were both present with other English relations of William the Lion at an important gathering at Lincoln in 1200, when William the Lion paid homage to King John of England [see Stubbs, Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene 4 (Rolls Ser. 51) (1871): 141 - 142].

    Thus, naming patterns, familial and political associations give strong evidence that Ida, wife of Earl Roger le Bigod, was a daughter of Ralph V de Tony.

    A later post from Richardson in the same thread:

    From: Douglas Richardson
    Subject: Re: Ida de Tony, wife of Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, and mother of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury
    Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:28:47 -0800 (PST)

    Morris says that Ida de Tony was a ward of the king when the king married her to Roger le Bigod. That presumably means she was not yet 21 at her marriage, which occurred at Christmas 1181. If so, she would have to have been born no earlier than 1160.

    Also, to be a ward of the king, your father would have been a tenant in chief of the king who left a minor heir in custody. The only requisite Tony male in this time period that would appear to fit that description would be Sir Ralph de Tony (husband of Margaret de Beaumont), who died in 1162, leaving a minor son, Roger. An estimate for a birth of Sir Ralph de Tony is hard to determine, but he was conceivable born as early as 1130, and probably no later than 1135. We know his parents were married in the reign of King Henry I who died in 1135.

    As for the chronology of other parts of the Tony family. Sir Ralph de Tony's sister, Godeheut de Tony, wife of William de Mohun, had a grandson and heir, Reynold de Mohun, born about 1185. So Godeheut de Tony was born say 1135, give or take. Sir Ralph de Tony's younger brother, Sir Roger de Tony, had his son and heir, Baldwin, born about 1170. So Sir Roger was born say 1140, give or take.

    In any case, the fact that Ida de Tony was a ward at the time of her marriage would seem to clearly indicate her parentage.

    An email from Todd A. Farmerie to Marianne Dillow, reproduced in the same thread as Richardson's two posts above (the archives of the thread are somewhat jumbled, making it hard to tell the exact order of posts). It summarizes Farmerie's reservations about Richardson's identification of Ida de Tony's parents. In the scheme that Farmerie considers equally probable, Ida's parents would be Ralph de Tony's father Roger de Tony and Roger's wife Ida de Hainault:

    I think you already had others point you to the group archives. Let me just say that this is not about confidence in an individual's work. It is a legitimate difference of opinion, two people, each equally qualified, using the same data, and reaching different conclusions.

    I didn't want to get into another round of argument in the group, as it has been argued several times before. Briefly, though, everything that has been said about her being child of Ralph would also apply to her being sister of Ralph. All of the names, all of the associations, etc.

    Whether she was daughter or sister comes down to how old you think she is, and we have no evidence. Thus, virtual certainty is a bit of an exaggeration. That she was of this immediate family is pretty safe, but which generation, there is room for doubt.

    Let me also say this, and I just offer it at face value. This is not the first 'near certainty' that has been proclaimed with regard to her parentage. For years it was argued that it was almost certain she was a completely different person. Then a new piece of evidence comes out and we have seamlessly switched to a different near certainty. Basically, when someone says that something is a virtual certainty, they are doing it either because they think it is absolutely certain, and are simply recognizing that all history has a minute chance of revision, or alternatively, because they know it isn't certain, but they have convinced themselves that it is the right answer and are trying to make it sound better than it really is. This is not a 99.99% certainty, it is a 75% likelihood, coupled with a strong gut feeling and some gilding of the lily. That, at least, is my view.

    I guess my real point is, don't take anything at face value. Mr. Richardson has made some insightful hypotheses. As far as I know, he was the first to guess that Ida, wife of Roger de Toeny was identical to Ida, mother of William Longespee. He had no evidence for it - it was just a strong gut instinct that led him to the right answer when proof was found a decade later. He has also reached some conclusions that are nothing but wishful thinking (such as his first 'certain' ancestry of Ida, which we now know is completely false). Both were expressed with equal certainty. Mr. Richardson is not unique in this. The same is true of others here, myself included. Don't just accept what anyone says. Look at all of the different opinions and ignore who is saying what, just take what seems the best solution from it, no matter who offers it.

    Even if only one person has suggested a connection, look at the evidence and try out some other possibilities and see if they will fit as well. No one is right all the time - everyone has their biases, and to be good at this, it is important to move beyond the individual opinions and reach your own conclusions from the original data. (Sorry to preach.)

    Finally, a post from the same thread setting forth a chronological argument for Richardson's position, and giving a reasonable guess as to her year of birth:

    From: mississippienne@gmail.com
    Subject: Re: Ida de Tony, wife of Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, and mother of William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury
    Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:54:13 -0800 (PST)

    [...] Girls as young as 12 were considered marriageable during this time period, and since we have no firm dates for either Ida's birth or that of her son William, she might've been as young as 15 or as old as her twenties by the time she gave birth to him. Unless someone happens upon a charter in which William de Longspee helpfully provides his exact date of birth and that of his mother, we will probably never know for sure. All we know is that she went onto have at least eight children with Roger Bigod; assuming no twins, Ida was bearing children at least until about 1190. As M. Sjostrom points out, it's stretching the chronology to the breaking point to get Ida de Tony to be the daughter of Ida of Hainault.

    I think a reasonable time for Ida de Tony would be a birth c. 1160, her son William born 1175-1180, marriage to Roger Bigod in 1181, at which point she was bearing his children until the early 1190s or thereabouts, when she would've been in her thirties.

    Family/Spouse: Henry II, King of England. Henry (son of Geoffrey V of Anjou and Maud "The Empress") was born on 4 Mar 1133 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays-de-la-Loire, France; died on 6 Jul 1189 in Chinon, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France; was buried in Fontévrault Abbey, near Chinon, Anjou, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 10. William I Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1170; died about 1225; was buried in Salisbury Cathedral, Wiltshire, England.

    Ida married Roger II le Bigod about 25 Dec 1181. Roger (son of Hugh I le Bigod and Juliana de Vere) was born in in of Framlingham, Suffolk, England; died before 2 Aug 1221. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Margaret le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 12. Hugh II le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point died before 18 Feb 1225.
    3. 13. Mary le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 5

  1. 8.  Reynold I de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1183 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died in 1213.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1185, of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England

    Notes:

    "He lost his estates in Normandy in 1204 for adhering to King John. He took a prominent part in the invasion of France in 1206 and accompanied King John to Ireland in 1210." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz]

    Family/Spouse: Alice de Briwere. Alice (daughter of William de Briwerre and Beatrice de Vaux) died after 1239. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. Reynold II de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1206 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 20 Jan 1258 in Torre Mohun, Devon, England; was buried in Newenham Abbey, Devon, England.

  2. 9.  Ralph VI de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1189 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died about 29 Sep 1239 in At sea.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1190, of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England

    Notes:

    First supported king John, then went over to the rebelling barons' side. Died at sea on his way to the Holy Land.

    Ralph married Pernel de Lacy between 1232 and 1233. Pernel (daughter of Walter de Lacy and Margaret de Briouze) died after 25 Nov 1288. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Margaret de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 16. Constance de Toeni  Descendancy chart to this point was born between Jul 1233 and Jan 1237; died on 11 Feb 1266.
    3. 17. Roger V de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 29 Sep 1235 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died before 12 May 1264.

  3. 10.  William I Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in 1170; died about 1225; was buried in Salisbury Cathedral, Wiltshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1175
    • Alternate birth: Between 1175 and 1180
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1176
    • Alternate death: 7 Mar 1226, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

    Notes:

    Earl of Salisbury. Among the advisors to King John at Runnymede.

    Lieutenant of Gascony 1202; Seneschal of Avranches 1203; Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports 1204-6; Sheriff of Wiltshire 1204-7, 1213-26; Lord of the Honour and Castle of Eye 1205; Cheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire 1212-21; Sheriff of Shropshire and Staffordshire 1223-4; Constable of Portchester, Southampton, and Winchester Castle 1224; Keeper of the March of Wales.

    Yes, there really were two Ida de Longespees, and they were sisters. SGM post:

    From: Douglas Richardson Subject: Parentage of Ida Longespée, wife of Walter Fitz Robert Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT)

    There has been discussion in the past on the newsgroup regarding the placement of Ida Longespée, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, in the Longespée family tree. Complete Peerage, 5 (1926): 472 (sub FitzWalter) identifies Ida as "daughter of William (Longespée), Earl of Salisbury." The William Longespée intended here is presumably William Longespée I who died in 1226, not his son, William II, who died in 1250. If so, this would give Earl William Longespée I and his wife, Ela, two adult daughters named Ida, one of whom married Walter Fitz Robert, and the other who married William de Beauchamp. Curiously Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 381-382 footnote k (sub Salisbury) confuses Walter Fitz Robert's wife Ida with her sister of the same name who married William de Beauchamp; it also misidentifies Walter Fitz Robert's parentage.

    The identification of Ida, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, as a Longespée has traditionally rested on a pedigree of the Longespée family found in Lacock Priory cartulary. This pedigree lists the various children of William Longespée I, Earl of Salisbury, and his wife, Ela of Salisbury, including:

    "Idam de Camyle, quam duxit in uxorem Walterus fil. Roberti, de qua genuit Catherinam et Loricam, quæ velatæ erant apud Lacok; Elam, quam duxit primo Guillelmus de Dodingeseles, de qua genuit Robertum") [Reference: Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 6(1) (1830): 501].

    It is not known exactly why Ida Longespée is here styled Ida de Camyle in this record. I've assumed, however, that Ida may have had a brief Camville marriage previous to her known marriage to Walter Fitz Robert. If so, a previous Camvillle marriage would explain her use of the Camville surname as a grown adult. Ida's older brother, William Longespée II, is known, for example, to have married a member of the Camville family.

    There are two contemporary records which prove that Ida, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was in fact a Longespée. The first record comes from List of Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery and Exchequer, which source contains an abstract of a letter dated 1261-1263 from Ida, widow of Walter Fitz Robert, written to Walter de Merton, the king's chancellor, in which Ida specifically styles herself Ida Longespée:

    "152. Ida Longespée, widow of Walter Fitz Robert, to the same [Walter de Merton, Chancellor]: to bail two of her men appealed of homicide. [1261-1263]." [Reference: List of Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery and Exchequer (PRO Lists and Indexes 15) (1902): 107-108].

    Elsewhere I find that Calendar of Liberate Rolls 5 (1961): 93 likewise refers to Ida, widow of Walter Fitz Robert, as "Ida Lungespee:"

    Date: 11 May 1162 -- "Liberate to Geoffrey de Lezinan, the king's brother, 40l. in recompense of a like sum received there of the issues of the manor of Henham [Essex] by the hands of Ida Lungespee." END OF QUOTE.

    To date to my knowledge no one has discovered Ida Longespée's maritagium, although she certainly had one in marriage. Recently I encountered a record which evidently concerns her maritagium. The record in question is a Wiltshire pleading which dates from 1249:

    "Walter son of Robert and Ida his wife, by Ida's attorney by writ of the present king, who brought an assize of novel disseisin against William Lungepeie for holdings in Scepperingge and Heniton, Farlegh' and Bidinham, have come and withdrawn by licence. It is agreed between them that Walter and Ida had put themselves utterly in William's grace for those holdings." [Reference: Clanchy, Civil Pleas of the Wiltshire Eyre 1249 (Wiltshire Rec. Soc. 26) (1971): 152].

    The lands involved in this lawsuit can be identified as Sheepbridge (in Swallowfield), Hinton (in Hurst), Farley [Hill] (in Swallowfield), and Diddenham (in Shinfield), all in modern Berkshire but formerly in Wiltshire. These lands were apparently held by William Longespée I and his wife, Countess Ela.

    VCH Berkshire 3 (1923): 267-274 states that Sheepbridge "belonged with Hinton in 1236 to Ela, Countess of Salisbury." Countess Ela named here was the widow of William Longespée I. VCH's statement regarding Countess Ela's holding of these lands is based on a charter found in Calendar of Charter Rolls 1226 - 57, page 221, whereby the king confirmed a grant of Countess Ela of various lands to Lacock Abbey, in exchange for "10 l. yearly receivable ...... .of the manors of Shiperige and Henton, and the advowson of the church of Winterburn Shyreveton."

    The above record may be viewed at the following weblink:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=1dELAQA AIAAJ&pg=PP1&dq=Calendar+Charter+Rolls+1226&hl=en&ei=M-U4TrbTFYvXiALj163DDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=r esult&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Calendar%20Charter%20Rolls%201226&f=false

    Countess Ela's charter is undated but surely must date from around 1236. My files notes show the following information:

    "In Feb. 1236 her son and heir, William Longespée, guaranteed her gifts to Lacock Abbey, while she agreed to surrender all her lands, rents and rights to him on 1 Nov. following. On 25 Oct. 1236 Ela, Countess of Salisbury, reached agreement with William Longespée, her first born son, that she may grant a moiety of the manor of Heddington, Wiltshire to Lacock Priory, which property fell to her on the death of Maud de Mandeville, Countess of Essex and Hereford. In the winter 1236 - 7 she resigned her custody of the county of Wiltshire. She subsequently entered her religious foundation at Lacock, where she took the veil before spring 1238." END OF QUOTE FROM MY FILE NOTES.

    Following Countess Ela's surrender of her lands to her son, William Longespée II, he in turn granted the four properties in question, namely Sheepbridge, Hinton, Farley, and Diddenham, to his seneschal, Sir Henry de la Mare. The date of this grant is sometime before 1239-40.

    In that year Sir Henry de la Mare was involved in a legal action concerning these four properties. A reference to this lawsuit may be found in Maitland, Bracton's Note Book 3 (1887): 286 - 287. This may be viewed at the following weblink:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=DtcQAAA AYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:LtFTiI1NIsEC&hl=en&ei=nmw5TsSXK42IsAKv3OEg&sa=X&oi=book_result &ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    So the question arises: When did Walter Fitz Robert and his wife, Ida Longespée, acquire their interest in the four properties? The answer to that question is not exact but surely it must have dated from the time that Countess Ela of Salisbury was holding these properties and before 1 Nov. 1236 when Countess Ela surrendered all her lands, rents, and rights to her son, William Longespée II. Walter and Ida can't have acquired their interest from William Longespée II, as once his mother released her lands to him, he almost immediately conveyed these four properties to his seneschal, Sir Henry de la Mare. One of these properties, Hinton, subsequently descended to Sir Henry de la Mare's daughter and heiress, Maud, wife of Peter de Montfort, and thence to her descendants [see VCH Berkshire 3 (1923): 247 - 260].

    So besides knowing that Walter Fitz Robert and Ida Longespée obtained their interest in the properties before 1236, what else can we know? More specifically, why would Ida claim these lands, if her brother had granted them to his seneschal?

    The answer to this question is not clear but a reasonable guess would be that these four properties were put up as Ida's maritagium when she was contracted to marry a Camville and that when the contracted Camville marriage failed to materialize or produced no issue, by the terms of the marriage contract, the lands returned to Ida's family. At that point, Ida's claim to the lands was essentially voided. This in turn would explain why Ida's brother, William Longespée II, felt free to grant these lands elsewhere to Sir Henry de la Mare.

    In summary, adequate evidence has been located which indicates that Ida, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was a Longespée. In 1249 Walter Fitz Robert and his wife, Ida, sued William Longespée II regarding four properties then in Wiltshire, but now in Berkshire. The four properties in question were apparently part of the inheritance of Ida's mother, Countess Ela, who appears to have controlled the lands until 1236, when she released her lands to her son, William Longespée II. Ida's rights must predate 1236, as William Longespée II almost immediately conveyed these properties before 1239-40 to his seneschal, Sir Henry de la Mare. Thus William Longespée II can not have offered them as Ida's maritagium. This in turn implies that Ida Longespée was the daughter of William Longespée I and his wife, Countess Ela, and not William Longespée II.

    For interest's sake, the following is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Ida Longespée, wife of Walter Fitz Robert:

    Robert Abell, Dannett Abney, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Walter Aston, Christopher Batt, Henry, Thomas & William Batte, Essex Beville, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, Mary Bourchier, George & Robert Brent, Thomas Bressey, Edward Bromfield, Nathaniel Browne, Obadiah Bruen, Stephen Bull, Elizabeth, John, and Thomas Butler, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Jeremy Clarke, Matthew Clarkson, St. Leger Codd, Henry Corbin, Francis Dade, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Thomas Dudley, William Farrer, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Muriel Gurdon, Katherine Hamby, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham Horsmanden, Anne Humphrey, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Nathaniel Littleton, Henry, Jane & Nicholas Lowe, Symon Lynde, Agnes Mackworth, Roger & Thomas Mallory, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Richard More, Joseph & Mary Need, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Ellen Newton, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Herbert Pelham, Robert Peyton, George Reade, Thomas Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Diana & Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, John Stratton, James Taylor, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, Olive Welby, John West, Thomas Yale.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    William married Ela of Salisbury before Sep 1197. Ela (daughter of William fitz Patrick and Eleanor de Vitré) was born about 1187; died on 24 Aug 1261 in Lacock, Wiltshire, England; was buried in 1261 in Lacock Abbey, Lacock, Wiltshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 18. Idonea de Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1266.
    2. 19. Stephen Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of King's Sutton, Northamptonshire, England; died before 25 Jun 1260; was buried in Lacock Abbey, Lacock, Wiltshire, England.
    3. 20. Ida Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1261.
    4. 21. William Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 12 May 1205; died on 7 Feb 1249 in Mansourah, Egypt.

  4. 11.  Margaret le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Family/Spouse: William de Hastings. William (son of William de Hastings and Maud Banastre) was born in in of Ashill, Norfolk, England; died in 1224. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Henry Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1205 in of Blunham, Bedfordshire, England; died before 9 Aug 1250.

  5. 12.  Hugh II le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 18 Feb 1225.

    Notes:

    Earl of Norfolk. Hereditary Steward of the Household; Hereditary Warden of Romford.

    Magna Carta surety.

    Hugh married Maud Marshal in 1207. Maud (daughter of William Marshal and Isabel de Clare) was born in 1192; died on 27 Mar 1248; was buried in Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Isabel le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 24. Ralph le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born after 1208 in of Stockton, Norfolk, England; died before 1260.
    3. 25. Hugh III le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1215 in of Bosham, Sussex, England; died before 7 May 1266.

  6. 13.  Mary le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Family/Spouse: Ranulph fitz Robert. Ranulph (son of Robert fitz Ralph and Hawise de Glanville) was born about 1185 in of Middleham, Yorkshire, England; died before 7 Dec 1252; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 26. Ralph fitz Ranulph  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Middleham, Durham, England; died on 31 Mar 1270; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 6

  1. 14.  Reynold II de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1206 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 20 Jan 1258 in Torre Mohun, Devon, England; was buried in Newenham Abbey, Devon, England.

    Notes:

    Justice of Common Pleas; Chief Justice of the Forests South of Trent.

    "His wardship was granted in 1213 to Henry FitzCount, and on Henry's death in 1227 to William Briwere, his own grandfather. He had livery by 1227, when he was made a knight. He accompanied the King on his French expedition in 1230, and to Wales in 123i. He was in debt to the Jews in 1234, and made a justice of the Common Pleas. In 1242 he was to have two good ships provided for him to follow the King across the sea to Gascony, and in April of that year was a Chief Justice of the Forests South of Trent. He served in the expedition into Wales in 1245, and in 1246 refounded the abbey of Newenham at Axminster. He was also a benefactor of the houses of Bruton, Barlinch and Cleeve. In 1252 he was appointed keeper of the royal forests South of Trent, with 100 marks per annum for maintenance, and keeper during pleasure of Sauvey Castle, co. Leicester. In 1253 he had grants of free warren at Dunster, Whichford and Ottery, and licence to hunt hare, fox, cat and badger in Somerset and one other county." [Complete Peerage]

    Reynold married Hawise fitz Geoffrey after 8 Nov 1227. Hawise (daughter of Geoffrey fitz Peter and Aveline de Clare) died before 1243. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 27. Alice de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died after 1265.
    2. 28. Lucy de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1280.
    3. 29. John de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1254 in Gascony, France; was buried in Bruton Priory, Somerset, England.

  2. 15.  Margaret de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Family/Spouse: William de Saint Omer. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Thomas de Saint Omer  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Mulbarton, Norfolk, England; died between 1316 and 1319.

  3. 16.  Constance de Toeni Descendancy chart to this point (9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born between Jul 1233 and Jan 1237; died on 11 Feb 1266.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 11 Aug 1289

    Constance married Fulk IV Fitzwarine after 1238. Fulk (son of Fulk III Fitzwarine and Maud le Vavasour) was born about 1208 in of Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died on 14 May 1264 in River Ouse, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Fulk V Fitzwarine  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Sep 1251 in Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died on 24 Nov 1315.

  4. 17.  Roger V de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 29 Sep 1235 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died before 12 May 1264.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 14 May 1264

    Notes:

    Said to have supported the king in the Baron's War.

    Roger married Alice de Bohun on 30 Jun 1239. Alice (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Eu) died after 1255. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 32. Alice de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1346.
    2. 33. Ralph VII de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1255 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died on 27 May 1295 in Gascony, France.

  5. 18.  Idonea de Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1266.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1270

    Notes:

    Also called Ida de Longespee, but not to be confused with her sister Ida de Longespee.

    Idonea married William de Beauchamp about Jan 1220. William (son of Simon de Beauchamp and Isabella) was born about 1185; died before 9 Oct 1260. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Ela de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1265.
    2. 35. Beatrice de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died about 1281.
    3. 36. Maud de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Bedford, Bedfordshire, England; died before 4 Apr 1273; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England.

  6. 19.  Stephen Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of King's Sutton, Northamptonshire, England; died before 25 Jun 1260; was buried in Lacock Abbey, Lacock, Wiltshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1275

    Notes:

    Justiciar of Ireland. Seneschal of Gascony.

    Stephen married Emeline de Ridelisford between 8 Feb 1243 and 16 Dec 1244. Emeline (daughter of Walter de Ridelisford and Annora) was born in in of Bray, Berkshire, England; died between 18 May 1275 and 19 Jul 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. Ela Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point died before 19 Jul 1276.

  7. 20.  Ida Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1261.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 11 May 1262

    Family/Spouse: Walter fitz Robert. Walter (son of Robert fitz Walter and Rohese) was born about 1219 in of Woodham Walter, Essex, England; died before 10 Apr 1258. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 38. Ela fitz Walter  Descendancy chart to this point died after 2 Jul 1295.
    2. 39. Robert Fitz Walter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1247 in Henham, Essex, England; died on 18 Jan 1326.

  8. 21.  William Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born before 12 May 1205; died on 7 Feb 1249 in Mansourah, Egypt.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1208, of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1212
    • Alternate death: 7 Feb 1250, Mansourah, Egypt
    • Alternate death: 8 Feb 1250, Mansourah, Egypt

    Notes:

    Killed on crusade, at the Battle of Mansourah.

    William married Idoine de Camville after Apr 1216. Idoine (daughter of Richard de Camville and Eustache Basset) was born before 1206; died between 1 Jan 1251 and 21 Sep 1251. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. Ela Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point died before 22 Nov 1299.
    2. 41. William Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England; died between 23 Dec 1256 and 3 Jan 1257.

  9. 22.  Henry Hastings Descendancy chart to this point (11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1205 in of Blunham, Bedfordshire, England; died before 9 Aug 1250.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1205, of Ashill, Norfolk, England

    Notes:

    Dapifer of Bury St. Edmunds. Taken prisoner at the battle of Sainte, 22 Jul 1242, and exchanged not long after.

    Henry married Ada of Huntingdon after 1224. Ada (daughter of David of Scotland and Maud of Chester) died after 2 Nov 1241. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 42. Henry de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Ashill, Norfolk, England; died in 1268.
    2. 43. Hillary de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1294.

  10. 23.  Isabel le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Family/Spouse: Gilbert de Lacy. Gilbert (son of Walter de Lacy and Margaret de Briouze) was born in in of Ewyas Lacy, Herefordshire, England; died before 1230. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 44. Maud de Lacy  Descendancy chart to this point died on 11 Apr 1303.
    2. 45. Margaret de Lacy  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1256.

    Isabel married John fitz Geoffrey before 12 Apr 1234. John (son of Geoffrey fitz Peter and Aveline de Clare) was born about 1205 in of Shere, Surrey, England; died on 23 Nov 1258. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 46. Maud fitz John  Descendancy chart to this point died on 16 Apr 1301; was buried on 7 May 1301 in Friars Minor, Worcester, Worcestershire, England.
    2. 47. Isabel fitz John  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 48. Avelina fitz John  Descendancy chart to this point died about 20 May 1274; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England.
    4. 49. Joan fitz John  Descendancy chart to this point died between 25 Feb 1303 and 26 May 1303.

  11. 24.  Ralph le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born after 1208 in of Stockton, Norfolk, England; died before 1260.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 28 Jul 1260

    Ralph married Bertha de Ferrers after 1240. Bertha (daughter of William de Ferrers and Agnes of Chester) died after 10 Feb 1267; was buried in Grey Friars, Dunwich, Suffolk, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 50. John le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Stockton, Norfolk, England; died before 18 Mar 1305.

  12. 25.  Hugh III le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1215 in of Bosham, Sussex, England; died before 7 May 1266.

    Notes:

    Justiciar of England, 22 Jun 1257-1260.

    "In 1258 the Provisions of Oxford established a baronial government of which Hugh's elder brother Roger Bigod, 4th Earl of Norfolk was a leading member, and Hugh was appointed Chief Justiciar. He also had wardship of the Tower of London, and, briefly, of Dover Castle. But at the end of 1260 or in early 1261 he resigned these offices, apparently due to dissatisfaction with the new government. Thus in 1263 he joined the royalists, and was present on that side at the Battle of Lewes. That battle took place by a village called Fletching, north of Lewes. Hugh escaped but the King and his son, Prince Edward, were taken prisoner." [Wikipedia]

    Hugh married Joanne de Stuteville before 5 Feb 1244. Joanne (daughter of Nicholas II de Stuteville and Devorguilla of Galloway) died before 5 Apr 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 51. Joan le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point

  13. 26.  Ralph fitz Ranulph Descendancy chart to this point (13.Mary5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Middleham, Durham, England; died on 31 Mar 1270; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Middleham, Yorkshire, England

    Family/Spouse: Anastasia de Percy. Anastasia (daughter of William de Percy and Joan Briwerre) died before 28 Apr 1272. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 52. Mary fitz Ranulph  Descendancy chart to this point died before 11 Apr 1320; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 7

  1. 27.  Alice de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died after 1265.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1285

    Alice married Robert V de Beauchamp before 16 Dec 1246. Robert (son of Robert IV de Beauchamp and Juliane Marshal) was born before 1224 in of Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England; died before 25 Oct 1263. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 53. John de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1247; died on 24 Oct 1283 in Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England; was buried on 31 Oct 1283 in Stoke-under-Hamden, Somerset, England.
    2. 54. Humphrey de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born before Mar 1253 in of Ryme Intrinseca, Dorset, England; died before 9 Feb 1317.
    3. 55. Mary de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1258; died after 1309.

  2. 28.  Lucy de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1280.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 19 May 1290

    Family/Spouse: John de Grey. John (son of Richard de Grey and Lucy du Hommet) was born in in of Codnor, Derbyshire, England; died before 5 Jan 1272. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 56. Henry de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1255 and 1258 in of Codnor, Derbyshire, England; died in Sep 1308.

  3. 29.  John de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died in 1254 in Gascony, France; was buried in Bruton Priory, Somerset, England.

    Other Events:

    • Buried: Newenham Abbey, Devon, England

    Notes:

    His body was buried at Bruton Priory; his heart at Newenham Abbey. "You don't use up a knight like that all at once."

    John married Joan de Ferrers after 1245. Joan (daughter of William de Ferrers and Sybil Marshal) died before Oct 1267. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 57. John de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1248 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 11 Jun 1279.

  4. 30.  Thomas de Saint Omer Descendancy chart to this point (15.Margaret6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Mulbarton, Norfolk, England; died between 1316 and 1319.

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk, 1307-08.

    Family/Spouse: Alice. Alice died after 1331. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 58. William de Saint Omer  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Mulbarton, Norfolk, England; died before 1349.

  5. 31.  Fulk V Fitzwarine Descendancy chart to this point (16.Constance6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born on 14 Sep 1251 in Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died on 24 Nov 1315.

    Notes:

    From Complete Peerage V: 495-7:

    Sir Fulk Fitzwarin, of Whittington, Salop, Alveston, co. Gloucester, Wantage, Berks, and Stanton Fitzwarren, Wilts, only son and heir of Sir Fulk Fitzwarin, of the same (who died 14 May 1264, being drowned in the Ouse, when endeavouring to escape, at the battle of Lewes)*, by Constance, daughter of Sir Ralph de Tony, of Castle Maud (now Painscastle), co. Radnor, South Tawton, Devon, and Flamstead, Herts. He was born at Whittington, 14 September 1251. On 29 April 1273 his fealty was taken, his homage being respited, and he had livery of his father's lands. He was with the King in the Army of Wales in 1282, and was about to go beyond seas in December 1284. In 1294, before going to Gascony on the King's service, he demised the manor of Wantag, Berks, to Master Henry Huse, for nine years. He was summoned for Military Service from 12 December 1276 to 30 June 1314, to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283, to a Military Council, 14 June 1287, to attend the King wherever he might be, 8 June 1294, to attend the King at Salisbury, 26 January 1296/7, to attend the Coronation, 18 January 1307/8, and to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 16 October 1315, by writs directed Fulconi filio Warini, with the addition of seniori on and after 29 July 1314, whereby he is held to have become Lord Fitzwarin. As Fulco filius Warini dominus de Whitington he took part in the Barons' Letter to the Pope, 12 February 1300/1. He did homage and fealty, for his lands in Wales, to Edward, Prince of Wales, at Kenilworth, 27 May 1301. On 10 August 1301 the King ordered Fulk fitz Warin and Richard fitz Alan, Earl of Arundel, to abstain from attacking each other. On 14 April 1302 Fulk had licence to grant the manor of Alveston, co. Gloucester, to Fulk, his son, in fee. In 1310 he conveyed the manor of Whittington to John de Beauchamp of Somerset, who granted it to him for life, with remainder to Fulk the younger [his son and heir], and Alianore wife of the latter, and the heirs of their bodies, remainder to the right heirs of Fulk the elder. On 1 June 1311 he had licence to grant two parts of a moiety of the manor of Stanton, Wilts, to the same Fulk his son, in fee. On 16 October 1313 he was pardoned, as an adherent of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, for any part he had taken against Piers de Gavastone.

    He married, before 25 February 1276/7, Margaret, daughter of Gruffyd ab Wennonwen, called also de la Pole (Welshpool, co. Montgomery), Prince or Lord of Upper Powys, by Hawise, daughter of Sir John Lestraunge, of Knockin, Salop. He died 24 November 1315. His widow, who heId one-third of the manor of Alveston in dower, died 11 May 1336.

    * He was son and heir of Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington (living Oct 1250), who m. 1stly Maud, widow of Theobald Walter, and daughter of Robert le Vavasur, and 2ndly, Clarice Dauberville. This Fulk had been outlawed, but was pardoned, 15 Nov 1203, his castle of Whittington being restored to him, 17 Oct 1204. He was son and heir of Fulk fitz Warin (living in Nov 1194), by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Josce de Dinan. The last named Fulk was son and heir of Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington and Alveston, who d. in 1170 or 1171, son of the shadowy or mythical Warin, of Metz in Lorraine.

    Fulk married Margaret de la Pole before 25 Feb 1277. Margaret (daughter of Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn and Hawise le Strange) died on 11 May 1336. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 59. Hawise Fitzwarine  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1302; was buried in Grey Friars, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England.

  6. 32.  Alice de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (17.Roger6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1346.

    Alice married Walter de Beauchamp about 1269. Walter (son of William de Beauchamp and Isabel Mauduit) was born in in of Alcester, Warwickshire, England; died on 16 Feb 1303 in Chalfont, Buckinghamshire, England; was buried in Grey Friars, Smithfield, London. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 60. Roger de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1320.
    2. 61. Giles de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died on 12 Oct 1361.

  7. 33.  Ralph VII de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (17.Roger6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1255 in of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England; died on 27 May 1295 in Gascony, France.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 29 Jul 1295, Gascony, France
    • Alternate death: Bef 29 Jul 1295, Paris, France

    Ralph married Mary before 1276. Mary died after 1283. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 62. Alice de Tony  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1283; died on 1 Jan 1325.

  8. 34.  Ela de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 1265.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 10 Jan 1267

    Family/Spouse: Baldwin Wake. Baldwin (son of Hugh Wake and Joanne de Stuteville) was born about 1238 in of Liddell, Cumberland, England; died on 5 Feb 1282. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 63. Ida Wake  Descendancy chart to this point died after 26 Jun 1278.

  9. 35.  Beatrice de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died about 1281.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 30 Sep 1285

    Notes:

    "She was a daughter of William Beauchamp and his second wife Idonea, daughter of William Longespee, a natural son of king Henry II." [F. N. Craig, "Descent from a Domesday Goldsmith." The American Genealogist 65:1, January 1990, p. 24.]

    Beatrice married Thomas fitz Otes before 1264. Thomas (son of Otes fitz William) was born about 1231 in of Mendlesham, Suffolk, England; died before 23 Mar 1274. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 64. Maud fitz Thomas  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1269; died before 27 Nov 1328.

  10. 36.  Maud de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Bedford, Bedfordshire, England; died before 4 Apr 1273; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England.

    Maud married Roger de Mowbray before 1257. Roger (son of William de Mowbray and Avice) was born about 1220 in of Thirsk, Yorkshire, England; died before 18 Oct 1263; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 65. Roger de Mowbray  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1257 in of the Isle of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died in 1296; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England.

    Maud married Roger le Strange before 15 Jul 1270. Roger (son of John le Strange and Lucy de Tregoz) was born in in of Ellesmere, Shropshire, England; died on 31 Jul 1311. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  11. 37.  Ela Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (19.Stephen6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 19 Jul 1276.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1276

    Ela married Roger la Zouche before 1267. Roger (son of Alan la Zouche and Ellen de Quincy) was born about 1241 in of Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England; died before 15 Oct 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 66. Alan la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 9 Oct 1267 in North Molton, Devon, England; died before 25 Mar 1314; was buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.

  12. 38.  Ela fitz Walter Descendancy chart to this point (20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 2 Jul 1295.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 7 Jan 1311

    Notes:

    Also called Ela Fitz Robert.

    Incorrectly shown by Blomefield (citation details below) as a daughter of her grandparents, William Longespee and Ela of Salisbury.

    Ela married William de Odingsells before 1273. William (son of William de Odingsells and Joan) was born in in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died in 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 67. Ida de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1265 in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died after 1 Mar 1322.
    2. 68. Margaret de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1277; died after 21 Apr 1330; was buried in Cogges, Oxfordshire, England.

  13. 39.  Robert Fitz Walter Descendancy chart to this point (20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in 1247 in Henham, Essex, England; died on 18 Jan 1326.

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament 24 Jun 1295 to 10 Oct 1325. Fought at the battle of Falkirk, and present at the siege of Caervaverock.

    Robert married Devorguille de Burgh in 1259. Devorguille (daughter of John de Burgh and Cecily de Balliol) was born between 1255 and 1266; died in 1284; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 69. Christian de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point died before 6 Dec 1315 in Holywell Priory, Shorewell, Middlesex, England.

    Robert married Eleanor de Ferrers before 11 Mar 1290 in King's Chapel, Westminster, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 70. Robert Fitz Walter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1300 in of Woodham Walter, Essex, England; died on 6 May 1328.

  14. 40.  Ela Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (21.William6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 22 Nov 1299.

    Notes:

    Suo jure Countess of Salisbury.

    Ela married James de Aldithley before 12 Jun 1244. James (son of Henry of Aldithley and Bertrade de Mainwaring) was born about 1220 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died about 11 Jun 1272 in Ireland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 71. Nicholas de Audley  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1258 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died before 28 Aug 1299.
    2. 72. Hugh de Audley  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1267 in of Stratton, Stratton Audley, Oxfordshire, England; died between 1325 and 1326.

  15. 41.  William Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (21.William6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England; died between 23 Dec 1256 and 3 Jan 1257.

    Family/Spouse: Maud de Clifford. Maud (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llewelyn) was born in in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 73. Margaret de Longespée  Descendancy chart to this point

  16. 42.  Henry de Hastings Descendancy chart to this point (22.Henry6, 11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Ashill, Norfolk, England; died in 1268.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1235, of Cavendish, Leicestershire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 4 Mar 1269
    • Alternate death: Bef 5 Mar 1269

    Notes:

    Constable of Winchester Castle; hereditary Steward of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds. One of the leaders of the baronial army at Lewes. Wounded and taken prisoner at Evesham.

    Summoned to Parliament by writ 24 Dec 1264.

    "Sir Henry de Hastinges, of Ashill, Norfolk, s. and h. of Sir Henry de Hastinges, of the same (who d. shortly before 9 Aug. 1250), by Ada, 4th da. of David, Earl of Huntingdon. On 10 May 1256 the King took his homage, and he had livery of his father's lands. He was one of the leaders of the baronial army at the battle of Lewes, 14 May 1264: he was knighted by Simon de Montfort before that battle. He was one of those prohibited, 16 Feb. 1264/5, from taking part in the tournament at Dunstaple, and ordered to attend a Council on the morrow of Ash Wednesday [19 Feb.] following. On 3 June 1265 he was appointed Constable of the castle at Winchester, during pleasure, in succession to Humphrey de Bohun. At the battle of Evesham, 4 Aug. 1265, he was wounded and taken prisoner. On 18 Jan. and 18 Feb. 1265/6, when he was still in prison, the King granted to his wife, Joan, for the maintenance ofher­self and her children, her husband's lands in Blunham, Beds, Nailstone and Burbage, co. Leicester, Fillongley, co. Warwick, and elsewhere. With John de la Warre he defended Kenilworth Castle during the siege by the King, from 27 June till its surrender on the Feast of St. Lucy [13 Dec.] 1266. By the Dictum of Kenilworth his lands were sub­jected to the penalty of 7 years' purchase. He was sum. for Military Service from 1 Aug. (1260) 44 Hen. III to 25 May (1263) 47 Hen. III, and to Parl. 24 Dec. (1264) 49 Hen. III, by writs directed Henrico de Hasting. He m. Joan, sister and coh. of Sir George de Cantelou, Lord of Abergavenny, and da. of Sir William de Cantelou, of Calne, Wilts, and Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick, by Eve, 3rd da. and coh. of Sir William de Braiose, Lord of Totnes, Brecknock and Abergavenny. He d. shortly before 5 Mar. 1268/9. His Widow d. before June 1271." [Complete Peerage VI:345-6]

    "He was one of the most violent of the Barons in arms against Henry III and for his excesses upon the Church and Clergy was excommunicated by Archbishop Boniface of Canterbury." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Henry married Joan de Cantelowe before 1262. Joan (daughter of William III de Cantelowe and Eve de Briouze) was born in in of Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales; died after 1269. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 74. John de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales; died on 10 Feb 1313; was buried in Grey Friars, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
    2. 75. Lora de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point died before 2 Jul 1339; was buried in Grey Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England.

  17. 43.  Hillary de Hastings Descendancy chart to this point (22.Henry6, 11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1294.

    Hillary married William de Harcourt about 1256. William (son of Richard de Harcourt and Orabel de Quincy) was born before 1227 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died between 1270 and 19 Apr 1271. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 76. Richard de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 9 Dec 1256 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 1 Mar 1293.

  18. 44.  Maud de Lacy Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died on 11 Apr 1303.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 11 Apr 1304

    Maud married Geoffrey de Geneville on 4 Aug 1252 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England. Geoffrey (son of Simon de Joinville and Beatrix d'Auxonne) was born after 1225; died on 21 Oct 1314 in House of the Friars Preachers, Trim, Meath, Ireland; was buried in House of the Friars Preachers, Trim, Meath, Ireland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 77. Peter de Geneville  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Ludlow, Shropshire, England; died before 8 Jun 1292.

  19. 45.  Margaret de Lacy Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died in 1256.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1267

    Margaret married John de Verdun before 20 Apr 1242. John (son of Theobald le Boteler and Rohese de Verdun) was born about 1226 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England; died before 17 Oct 1274. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 78. Thebaud de Verdun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1248 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England; died on 24 Aug 1309 in Alton, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England.

  20. 46.  Maud fitz John Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died on 16 Apr 1301; was buried on 7 May 1301 in Friars Minor, Worcester, Worcestershire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 18 Apr 1301

    Maud married William de Beauchamp before 1270. William (son of William de Beauchamp and Isabel Mauduit) was born in 1237 in of Elmley, Worcestershire, England; died in 1296; was buried on 22 Jun 1298 in Friars Minor, Worcester, Worcestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 79. Isabel de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died before 30 May 1306.
    2. 80. Guy de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1273 in of Elmley, Worcestershire, England; died on 10 Aug 1315 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; was buried in Bordesley Abbey, Warwickshire, England.

  21. 47.  Isabel fitz John Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Isabel married Robert de Vipont after 19 Nov 1242. Robert (son of John de Vipont and Sybil de Ferrers) was born about 1234 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died before 7 Jun 1264. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 81. Isabel de Vipont  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1248 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died in 1291; was buried in Shap Abbey, Westmorland, England.

  22. 48.  Avelina fitz John Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died about 20 May 1274; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England.

    Avelina married Walter de Burgh about 1257. Walter (son of Richard de Burgh and Gille de Lacy) was born about 1229; died on 28 Jul 1271 in Galway Castle, Galway, Ireland; was buried in Athassel-on-the-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 82. Giles de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 83. Richard de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1259; died on 29 Jul 1326 in Monastery at Athassel-on-the-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland.

  23. 49.  Joan fitz John Descendancy chart to this point (23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died between 25 Feb 1303 and 26 May 1303.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 26 May 1303

    Joan married Thebaud le Boteler before 1269. Thebaud (son of Thebaud le Boteler and Margery de Burgh) was born about 1242; died on 26 Sep 1285 in Arklow, Wicklow, Ireland; was buried in Arklow Abbey, Wicklow, Ireland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 84. Edmund le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Arkow, Wickland, Ireland; died on 13 Sep 1321 in London, England; was buried in Gowran, Kilkenney, Ireland.

  24. 50.  John le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (24.Ralph6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Stockton, Norfolk, England; died before 18 Mar 1305.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1245, of Stockton, Norfolk, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 1306

    John married Isabel before 1290. Isabel died on 12 Sep 1311. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 85. Roger le Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Settrington, Yorkshire, England; died on 17 Apr 1362.

  25. 51.  Joan le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (25.Hugh6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Joan married Philip de Kyme about 1280. Philip (son of William III de Kyme and Lucy de Ros) was born after 1238 in of Sotby, Lincolnshire, England; died on 1 Mar 1323. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 86. Lucy de Kyme  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1318.

  26. 52.  Mary fitz Ranulph Descendancy chart to this point (26.Ralph6, 13.Mary5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 11 Apr 1320; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.

    Notes:

    Also called Mary of Middleham. "She married Robert de Neville, Lord of Raby, who soon after, violating the sanctity of another domestic hearth, met with speedy retribution. Being detected in one of his clandestine visits to a lady in Craven, he was so horribly mutilated by her husband that he died of his wounds, on the 6th of June, 1271. Mary of Middleham did not again enter the bonds of wedlock, but lived on her own inheritance, and dying, in 1320, was buried beside her husband in the choir at Coverham. Ralph, the only child of the marriage, inherited Raby, on the death of his grandfather; but he was so indolent and careless in the management of his affairs, that his mother settled Middleham and the rest of her manors on her grandson, Robert Neville, commonly called 'The Peacock of the North.'" (History and Directory of Old Yorkshire by T. F. Bulmer, 1890.)

    Mary married Robert de Neville about 1260. Robert (son of Robert de Neville and (Unknown first wife of Robert de Neville)) was born before 1240 in of Middleham, Yorkshire, England; died on 6 Aug 1271. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 87. Ranulph de Neville  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 18 Oct 1262 in of Raby, Durham, England; died after 18 Apr 1331; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.


Generation: 8

  1. 53.  John de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (27.Alice7, 14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born before 1247; died on 24 Oct 1283 in Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England; was buried on 31 Oct 1283 in Stoke-under-Hamden, Somerset, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Bef 1249, of Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England

    Notes:

    Captain of the royal forces in West Wales.

    "John Beauchamp, s. and h. of Robert B., of Hatch, Somerset, by Alice, da. of Reynold de Mohun, of Dunster, in that co., was b. before 1249. He was sum. to attend the King at Shrewsbury 28 June (1283) II Edw. I, by writ directed Johanni de Bella Campo. He m. Cicely, da. and coh. of William de Vivonne, by Maud, one of the 7 daughters (coheirs to their mother) of William (Ferrers), Earl of Derby. He d. at Hatch, 24, and was bur. 31 Oct. 1283, at Stoke under Hamden. Inq. p. m. Dec. 1283. His widow d. 10 Jan. 1320, at Stoke under Hamden." [Complete Peerage II:48]

    Family/Spouse: Cecily de Vivonne. Cecily (daughter of William de Forz and Maud de Ferrers) was born about 1257 in Chewton, Somerset, England; died on 10 Jan 1320 in Stoke-under-Hamden, Somerset, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 88. John de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 25 Jul 1274 in of Hatch Beauchamp, Taunton, Somerset, England; died after 20 Oct 1336.

  2. 54.  Humphrey de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (27.Alice7, 14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born before Mar 1253 in of Ryme Intrinseca, Dorset, England; died before 9 Feb 1317.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 8 Jul 1316

    Notes:

    Knight of the shire for Devon, 1312; for Devon and Dorset, 1313. Served in 1296 and 1300 against the Scots.

    Humphrey married Sibyl Oliver after 1276, and was divorced between 1287 and 1290. Sibyl (daughter of Walter Oliver) was born in in of Wambrook, Dorset, England; died after 1306. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 89. Eleanor Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 90. John de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1285 in of Ryme, Dorset, England; died after 1341.
    3. 91. Hugh de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1287 in of Lillesdon in North Curry, Somerset, England; died before 10 Jun 1338.

  3. 55.  Mary de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (27.Alice7, 14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1258; died after 1309.

    Notes:

    "The cold hard fact was that marriages among gentry during this period were generally only objected to if the parties objected (one could endow whatever church, priory or house with lands to make up for the sins [e. g., Holy Trinity (Abbaye-aux-Dames) and St. Stephen (Abbaye-aux-Hommes) in Caen]. This is exemplified in that James de Audeley held the wardship and marriage of the heir of de Mascy (Hamon). James died, endowing the guardianship on his mistress, Alice (de Mohun) (de Clinton) de Beauchamp, who wedded Hamon de Mascy to her daughter Isabel de Beauchamp. The story goes that she died on her wedding night before consumation. Alice then married Hamon to the next daughter, Mary de Beauchamp. He later [after four children] divorced her on the grounds that the marriage was not lawful (you get the gist), and married Joan de Clinton (! -- still unlawful, technically). The heir, Hamon, was declared a bastard, but the sisters and their heirs eventually inherited the ancient barony of Dunham Massey." [Paul C. Reed, 21 Feb 1998, citation details below.]

    Mary married Hamon de Mascy before 1280, and was divorced after 1285. Hamon (son of Hamon de Massey and Alice de Whitney) was born about 1256 in of Dunham Massey, Bucklow, Cheshire, England; died before Apr 1334. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 92. Isabel de Mascy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1280 in Dunham Massey, Cheshire, England.

  4. 56.  Henry de Grey Descendancy chart to this point (28.Lucy7, 14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born between 1255 and 1258 in of Codnor, Derbyshire, England; died in Sep 1308.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 18 Sep 1308

    Notes:

    He was summoned to Parliament from 6 Feb 1299 to 16 Aug 1308, by writs directed Henrico de Grey. He was present at the siege of Caerlaverock in 1300. He signed the barons' letter to Pope Boniface VIII as Dominus de Codnore.

    Henry married Eleanor before 1282. Eleanor died before 6 Jun 1301. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 93. Richard de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1281 in of Codnor, Derbyshire, England; died before 10 Mar 1335.

    Henry married Joan de Somerville before 6 Jun 1301. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 57.  John de Mohun Descendancy chart to this point (29.John7, 14.Reynold6, 8.Reynold5, 5.William4, 3.Godehilde3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1248 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 11 Jun 1279.

    Family/Spouse: Eleanor fitz Reynold. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 94. John de Mohun  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1269 in of Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England; died on 25 Aug 1330; was buried in Dunster Priory, Somerset, England.

  6. 58.  William de Saint Omer Descendancy chart to this point (30.Thomas7, 15.Margaret6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Mulbarton, Norfolk, England; died before 1349.

    Family/Spouse: Elizabeth. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 95. Thomas de Saint Omer  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Mulbarton, Norfolk, England; died on 10 Aug 1364.

  7. 59.  Hawise Fitzwarine Descendancy chart to this point (31.Fulk7, 16.Constance6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 1302; was buried in Grey Friars, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 2 Sep 1344

    Family/Spouse: Robert de Hoo. Robert (son of Robert de Hoo and Beatrice) was born in in of Luton Hoo, Bedfordshire, England; died on 1 Nov 1311; was buried in Goxhill, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 96. Thomas de Hoo  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Luton Hoo, Bedfordshire, England; died on 28 Sep 1380.

    Hawise married Ralph de Goushill before 1294. Ralph (son of Peter de Goushill and Ela de Camoys) was born about 1274 in of Goxhill, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England; died before 30 Aug 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 97. Margaret de Goushill  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 12 May 1294 in Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died on 29 Jul 1349.

  8. 60.  Roger de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (32.Alice7, 17.Roger6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 1320.

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 98. Roger de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Bloxham, Oxfordshire, England; died on 3 Jan 1380.

  9. 61.  Giles de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (32.Alice7, 17.Roger6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died on 12 Oct 1361.

    Giles married Katherine de Bures before 21 May 1329. Katherine (daughter of John de Bures and Hawise de Muscegros) was born about 1316; died after Oct 1355. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 99. John de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died before 7 Feb 1389.

  10. 62.  Alice de Tony Descendancy chart to this point (33.Ralph7, 17.Roger6, 9.Ralph5, 6.Roger4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1283; died on 1 Jan 1325.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 8 Jan 1325

    Alice married Guy de Beauchamp before 28 Feb 1310. Guy (son of William de Beauchamp and Maud fitz John) was born about 1273 in of Elmley, Worcestershire, England; died on 10 Aug 1315 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; was buried in Bordesley Abbey, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 100. Elizabeth de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 101. Maud de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died after 30 Oct 1369; was buried in Black Friars, Holborn, London, England.
    3. 102. Thomas de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Feb 1314 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; died on 13 Nov 1369 in Calais, France; was buried in St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire, England.

    Alice married William la Zouche after 26 Oct 1316. William (son of Robert de Mortimer and Joyce la Zouche) was born in in of Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England; died on 28 Feb 1337; was buried in Tewkesbury Abbey, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 103. Joyce la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point died after 4 May 1372.

  11. 63.  Ida Wake Descendancy chart to this point (34.Ela7, 18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died after 26 Jun 1278.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 20 Apr 1295

    Ida married John de Stonegrave before 1273. John (son of Simon de Stonegrave and Beatrice Foliot) was born in in of Stonegrave, Helmsley, Yorkshire, England; died on 20 Apr 1295. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 104. Isabel de Stonegrave  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1273 in of Stonegrave, Helmsley, Yorkshire, England; died before 20 Feb 1301.

  12. 64.  Maud fitz Thomas Descendancy chart to this point (35.Beatrice7, 18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in 1269; died before 27 Nov 1328.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1271
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1269-1272
    • Alternate death: Aft 28 May 1329

    Notes:

    Also called Maud (or Matilda) Fitz Otto, Fitz Otes, etc.

    "As a descendant of Otto the goldsmith, she held the hereditary serjeantry of the Cutter of the Dies, whose duty was to supervise die production in London for distribution to the many regional mints. [...John de Boutetourt] died in 1324. [...Maud] survived and in 1329 sold the office of graver and worker of the dies in the Tower of London and the city of Canterbury which was held in chief, to William Le Latymer (Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III 1:391), who had married her daughter Elizabeth. [F. N. Craig, "Descent from a Domesday Goldsmith." The American Genealogist 65:1, January 1990, p. 24.]

    Maud married John Botetourt before Jun 1282. John (son of Guy Botetourt and Ada) died on 25 Nov 1324. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 105. Thomas Botetourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Upton, Norfolk, England; died before 28 Jul 1322.
    2. 106. Otes Botetourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Mendlesham, Suffolk, England; died on 11 Nov 1345.
    3. 107. Ada Botetourt  Descendancy chart to this point died before 31 May 1349.
    4. 108. Elizabeth Botetourt  Descendancy chart to this point died on 11 Apr 1384.

  13. 65.  Roger de Mowbray Descendancy chart to this point (36.Maud7, 18.Idonea6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1257 in of the Isle of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died in 1296; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 21 Nov 1297, Ghent, Flanders

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writ 24 Jun 1295, and again 26 Aug 1296.

    Summoned for service in Wales, 1282 and 1283; in Scotland, 1291; on the King's service in Gascony, Sep 1294.

    Roger married Rose de Clare after 15 Jul 1270. Rose (daughter of Richard de Clare and Maud de Lacy) was born on 17 Aug 1252; died after 1315; was buried in Church of the Friars Preachers, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 109. John de Mowbray  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 4 Sep 1286 in of the Isle of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died on 23 Mar 1322 in York, Yorkshire, England; was buried in Church of the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.

  14. 66.  Alan la Zouche Descendancy chart to this point (37.Ela7, 19.Stephen6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born on 9 Oct 1267 in North Molton, Devon, England; died before 25 Mar 1314; was buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Baptised: North Molton, Devon, England
    • Alternate death: 25 Mar 1314, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England

    Notes:

    Constable of Rockingham Castle; Steward of Rockingham Forest. Fought in the vanguard at Falkirk. Present at the siege of Caerlaverock. Summoned to Parliament by writs 6 Feb 1299 to 26 Nov 1313.

    Family/Spouse: Eleanor de Segrave. Eleanor (daughter of Nicholas de Segrave and Maud de Lucy) was born in 1270. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 110. Ellen la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1286; died after Oct 1344.
    2. 111. Maud la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1289; died on 31 May 1349; was buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.

  15. 67.  Ida de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (38.Ela7, 20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1265 in of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died after 1 Mar 1322.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1270
    • Alternate death: Aft 8 Apr 1325

    Notes:

    Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

    "He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

    Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
    Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

    Dear Newsgroup:

    Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

    Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

    As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

    Best always,
    Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    Family/Spouse: Roger de Herdeburgh. Roger (son of Hugh de Herdeburgh and Isabel de Craft) was born in in of Willey, Warwickshire, England; died before 9 Feb 1284. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 112. Ela de Herdeburgh  Descendancy chart to this point died after 5 Jul 1343.

    Ida married John de Clinton after 29 Sep 1286. John (son of Thomas de Clinton and Maud Bracebridge) was born about 1258 in of Amington in Tamworth, Warwickshire, England; died in 1310. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 113. William de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died on 24 Aug 1354.
    2. 114. John de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1300 in of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died before 1 Apr 1335.

  16. 68.  Margaret de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (38.Ela7, 20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1277; died after 21 Apr 1330; was buried in Cogges, Oxfordshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1318

    Margaret married John de Grey before 14 Jan 1297. John (son of Robert de Grey and Joan de Valoines) was born about 1272 in of Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England; died on 17 Oct 1311. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 115. Joan de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1339.
    2. 116. John de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 9 Oct 1300; died on 1 Sep 1359 in Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England.

  17. 69.  Christian de Burgh Descendancy chart to this point (39.Robert7, 20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 6 Dec 1315 in Holywell Priory, Shorewell, Middlesex, England.

    Notes:

    She died as a nun.

    Family/Spouse: William Marshal. William (son of John Marshal and Hawise de Say) was born about 24 Sep 1277 in Denham, Suffolk, England; died on 24 Jun 1314 in Bannockburn, Stirlingshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 117. Hawise Marshal  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1301; died before Sep 1334.

  18. 70.  Robert Fitz Walter Descendancy chart to this point (39.Robert7, 20.Ida6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in 1300 in of Woodham Walter, Essex, England; died on 6 May 1328.

    Family/Spouse: Joan de Multon. Joan (daughter of Thomas de Multon and Eleanor de Burgh) died on 16 Jun 1363; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 118. John Fitz Walter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1315; died on 18 Oct 1361; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England.

  19. 71.  Nicholas de Audley Descendancy chart to this point (40.Ela7, 21.William6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born before 1258 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died before 28 Aug 1299.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 28 Aug 1299

    Family/Spouse: Katherine Giffard. Katherine (daughter of John Giffard and Maud de Clifford) was born about 1272; died after 1321. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 119. Nicholas de Audley  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 11 Nov 1289 in of Heleigh in Audley, Staffordshire, England; died on 28 Nov 1316.

  20. 72.  Hugh de Audley Descendancy chart to this point (40.Ela7, 21.William6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1267 in of Stratton, Stratton Audley, Oxfordshire, England; died between 1325 and 1326.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 1 Apr 1325, Wallingford Castle, Oxfordshire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 12 Apr 1326

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writ, 1321. Joined the rebellion of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster in 1322, but surrendered before the battle of Boroughbridge. Died while a prisoner in Wallingford Castle.

    "Hugh Audley, of Stratton Audley, Oxon, yst. s. of James Audley or Aldithley, of Heleigh, co. Stafford by Ela, da. of William Longespée (s. and h. ap. of Ela, suo jure Countess of Salisbury); was b. c. 1267, and obtained from his mother, soon after her husband's death, a reversionary grant, (1272-73) 1 Edw. I, of Stratton Audley, afsd., which had been her inheritance. He was in the French wars, 1294, &c.; a prisoner in France 2 Apr. 1299; in the Scottish wars, 1299-1302, and again 1313; he was in Gascony in 1304/5; Justice of North Wales 1306; and was Governor of Montgomery Castle, 1309. He was sum. to Parl. 15 May (1321) 14 Edw. II, the writ being directed Hugoni de Audele seniori, to distinguish him from his 2nd s., Hugh Audley, Junior, who had been so sum. in 1317. In 1321/2 he joined the insurrection of the Earl of Lancaster, but surrendered before the battle of Boroughbridge, 16 Mar. 1321/2, and was confined in Wallingford Castle. He m., before 7 Jan. 1293, and probably in 1288, Isolt, widow of Sir Walter de Balun, of Much Marcle, co. Hereford (who was living and m. to her in 1286/7), da. of Sir Edmund de Mortimer, 1st Lord Mortimer, of Wigmore, co. Hereford, by (____). She brought him the manors of Eastington, co. Gloucester, and of Thornbury, Co. Hereford. He d. between Nov. 1325, and Mar. 1325/6, probably while still a prisoner. No trace can be found of the pardon which he is sometimes said to have received, and any peerage which he may be held to have possessed, may be treated as having been forfeited by attainder. His widow was living 1336." [Complete Peerage I:347-48, as corrected in Volume XIV. See the entry on his wife for doubt she was was a daughter of Edmund de Mortimer.]

    Hugh married Isolde le Rous before Jul 1291. Isolde (daughter of Roger le Rous and Eleanor de Avenbury) died before 4 Aug 1338. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 120. Hugh de Audley  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1289 in of Great Marcle, Herefordshire, England; died on 10 Nov 1347; was buried in Tonbridge Priory, Kent, England.
    2. 121. Alice de Audley  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1300; died on 12 Jan 1374 in Greystoke, Northumberland, England; was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England.

  21. 73.  Margaret de Longespée Descendancy chart to this point (41.William7, 21.William6, 10.William5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Margaret married Henry Lacy about 25 Dec 1256. Henry (son of Edmund de Lacy and Alice di Saluzzo) was born about 1250; died on 5 Feb 1310 in London, England; was buried in St. Paul's, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 122. Alice Lacy  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 25 Dec 1281; died on 1 Oct 1348.

  22. 74.  John de Hastings Descendancy chart to this point (42.Henry7, 22.Henry6, 11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales; died on 10 Feb 1313; was buried in Grey Friars, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 6 May 1262, Allesley, Warwickshire, England
    • Alternate death: 20 Feb 1313, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
    • Alternate death: 5 Apr 1325
    • Alternate death: 10 May 1325

    Notes:

    Hereditary Steward of the liberties of the Abbey of Bury St. Edmunds. Seneschal of Aquitaine. Lieutenant & Seneschal of Gascony. "[I]n 1292 claimed third part of Kingdom of Scotland as a gr. s. of Ada, 4th dau. & coh. of David, Earl of Huntingdon; claim rejected." [Ancestral Roots]

    CP I:23, footnote (a): George de Cantelou's heirs to the honor of Abergavenny "were his sister Millicent, then of full age and wife of Eudes la Zouche, and his nephew John, the next owner of Abergavenny."

    Summoned to Parliament by writs dated 24 Jun 1295 to 8 Jul 1312.

    "Sir John de Hastinges, of Abergavenny, s. and h., b. 6 May 1262, at Allesley, co. Warwick. On 12 July 1283 the King took his homage, and he had livery of his father's lands, and also of his purparty of the lands of George de Cantelou, namely, the castle and honour of Abergavenny, co. Monmouth, the castle of Kilgerran, co. Pembroke, of the lands of St. Clear, co. Carmarthen, Aston, co. Warwick, Barwick, Little Marston, and Stoford, Somerset, and Badmondisfield, Suffolk. In Jan. 1283/4 he was about to go to Scotland. He was on the King's service in Wales in 1287. In 1292 he claimed a third part of the Kingdom of Scotland, as grandson and h. of Ada, 4th da. and coh. of David, Earl of Huntingdon: his claim was rejected by the judgment delivered at Berwick Castle, on Monday after St. Martin [17 Nov.]. In Jan. 1296/7 he was about to go to Brabant, by the King's command, in attendance on Margaret, the King's da., Duchess of Brabant. He was in the Army of Scotland in 1300, being at the siege of Caerlaverock in July the same year. On 2 Feb. 1300/1 he had licence to crenellate his manor and town of Fillongley, co. Warwick. He was sum. for Military Service from 26 June (1294) 22 Edw. I to 18 June (1310) 3 Edw. II to attend the Coronation, 18 Jan. (1307/8) I Edw. II, to a Council 8 Jan. (1308/9) 2 Edw. II, and to Parl. from 24 June (1295) 23 Edw. I to 8 July (1312) 6 Edw. II, by writs directed Johanni de Hastingges, and moreover is recorded to have been present in pleno parliamento domini Regi: on the morrow of Trinity 18 Edw. I [29 May 1290] with other magnates et proceres tunc in parliamento existentes, whereby he is held to have become Lord Hastinges. As Johannes de Hastinges Dominus de Bergeveni he took part in the Barons' Letter to the Pope, 12 Feb. 1300/1. On 23 Aug. 1302 he was appointed Lieutenant and Seneschal of Gascony, during pleasure: he held the office till Aug. or Sep. 1104. On 22 May 1306 the King granted to him and his heirs the county of Menteith (except the land in that county which the King had previously granted to Edmund de Hastinges), forfeited by Alan, late Earl of Menteith, the King's rebel and enemy. On 15 Mar. 1308/9 he had licence to grant, in fee, to John, his son, the manor of Aston Cantlow, the castle and town of Kilgerran, and other lands in Wales. He was re-appointed Lieutenant and Seneschal of Gascony, 24 Oct. 1309, during pleasure, and on 16 Nov. following had licence to set out from Dover with his household, horses, armour, silver vessels, &c.; he sur­rendered his office in the latter half of 1311. He m., firstly, at Braxted, Essex or Blunham, Beds, Isabel, da. of William (de Valnce), Earl of Pembroke, by Joan, da. of Sir Warin de Munchanesy, of Swanscombe, Kent, Winfarthing and Gooderstone, Norfolk, &c. She d. 5 Oct. 1305, and was bur. in Coventry Priory. He m., 2ndly, Isabel, da. of Hugh (le Despenser), Earl lf Winchester, by Isabel, da. of William (de Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick. He d. 10 Feb. 1312/3. His widow had livery of her dower, 11 Apr. 1313, and of the knights' fees and advowsons of her dower, 20 Nov. following, all of which had been assigned to her by the King. She m., 2ndly, as 2nd wife, Sir Ralph de Mounthermer, sometime Earl of Gloucester: as royal licence had not been obtained for this marriage, on 20 Nov. 1318 and again on 2 Jan. following, the lands they held in dower were taken into the King's hand. They were pardoned and their lands were restored to them, 12 Aug. 1319, for a fine of 1,000 marks: which also they were pardoned on 18 May 1321. She had charge of two of the King's daughters from Michaelmas 1324. Ralph d. 5 Apr. 1325, and was bur. in the Church of the Grey Friars at Salisbury, aged 63. Will pr. and enrolled, Monday before St. Margaret 1325, in the Court of Husting, London. She d. 4. or 5 Dec. 1334." [Complete Peerage VI:346-39]

    John married Isabel de Valence after 15 Jul 1275. Isabel (daughter of William de Valence and Joan de Munchensy) died on 3 Oct 1305; was buried in Grey Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 123. Elizabeth de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point

    John married Isabel le Despenser before 1309. Isabel (daughter of Hugh le Despenser and Isabel de Beauchamp) died on 4 Dec 1334; was buried in Grey Friars, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 124. Hugh de Hastings  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1310 in of Sutton Scotney, Hampshire, England; died on 30 Jul 1347; was buried in Elsing, Norfolk, England.

  23. 75.  Lora de Hastings Descendancy chart to this point (42.Henry7, 22.Henry6, 11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 2 Jul 1339; was buried in Grey Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England.

    Lora married Thomas le Latimer before Jul 1297. Thomas (son of John le Latimer and Christian Ledet) was born between 1270 and 1271 in of Braybrook, Northamptonshire, England; died before 2 Feb 1334. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 125. Warin le Latimer  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1304 in of Braybrook, Northamptonshire, England; died on 13 Aug 1349.

  24. 76.  Richard de Harcourt Descendancy chart to this point (43.Hillary7, 22.Henry6, 11.Margaret5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born on 9 Dec 1256 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 1 Mar 1293.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret Beke. Margaret (daughter of John Beke) died after 5 Oct 1296. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 126. John de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 1 Nov 1274 in Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 2 May 1330.

  25. 77.  Peter de Geneville Descendancy chart to this point (44.Maud7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Ludlow, Shropshire, England; died before 8 Jun 1292.

    Peter married Joan de la Marche before 11 Oct 1283. Joan (daughter of Hugues XII de Lusignan and Jeanne de Fougères) died before 18 Apr 1323; was buried in Abbey of Valence, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 127. Joan de Geneville  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 2 Feb 1286; died on 19 Oct 1356.

  26. 78.  Thebaud de Verdun Descendancy chart to this point (45.Margaret7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1248 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England; died on 24 Aug 1309 in Alton, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England.

    Notes:

    He was summoned to Parliament by writs from 24 Jun 1295 to 11 Jun 1309. Styled himself constable of Ireland, 1282-84.

    Thebaud married Margery de Bohun before 6 Nov 1276. Margery (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Avenbury) died between 1280 and 1304. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 128. Thebaud de Verdun  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 8 Sep 1278 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England; died on 27 Jul 1316 in Alton, Staffordshire, England; was buried in Croxden Abbey, Staffordshire, England.

  27. 79.  Isabel de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (46.Maud7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 30 May 1306.

    Family/Spouse: Patrick de Chaworth. Patrick (son of Patrick de Chaworth and Hawise de London) was born about 1254 in of Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales; died before 7 Jul 1283. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 129. Maud de Chaworth  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 2 Feb 1282; died before 3 Dec 1322; was buried in Mottisfont Priory, Hampshire, England.

    Isabel married Hugh le Despenser between 10 Sep 1285 and 27 Jan 1287. Hugh (son of Hugh le Despenser and Aline Basset) was born on 1 Mar 1261 in of Loughborough, Leicestershire, England; died on 27 Oct 1326 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 130. Philip le Despenser  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Parlington, Yorkshire, England; died on 24 Sep 1313.
    2. 131. Isabel le Despenser  Descendancy chart to this point died on 4 Dec 1334; was buried in Grey Friars, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.
    3. 132. Hugh le Despenser  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Loughborough, Leicestershire, England; died on 24 Nov 1326 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England; was buried in Tewkesbury Abbey, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England.

  28. 80.  Guy de Beauchamp Descendancy chart to this point (46.Maud7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1273 in of Elmley, Worcestershire, England; died on 10 Aug 1315 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; was buried in Bordesley Abbey, Warwickshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1278
    • Alternate birth: Abt 1278, of Elmley, Worcestershire, England
    • Alternate death: 12 Aug 1315, Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England

    Notes:

    Earl of Warwick. Fought against the Scots at Falkirk; took part in the siege of Caerlaverock, July 1300. Hereditary Sheriff of Worcestershire, 1299-1315. Chamberlain of the Exchequer.

    From Wikipedia:

    Guy de Beauchamp, 10th Earl of Warwick, was an English magnate, and one of the principal opponents of King Edward II and his favourite, Piers Gaveston. Guy de Beauchamp was the son of William de Beauchamp, the first Beauchamp earl of Warwick, and succeeded his father in 1298. He distinguished himself at the Battle of Falkirk and subsequently, as a capable servant of the crown under King Edward I. After the succession of Edward II in 1307, however, he soon fell out with the new king and the king's favourite, Piers Gaveston. Warwick was one of the main architects behind the Ordinances of 1311, that limited the powers of the king and banished Gaveston into exile.

    When Gaveston returned to England in 1312 -- contrary to the rulings of the Ordinances -- he was taken into custody by Aymer de Valence, 2nd Earl of Pembroke. Warwick abducted Gaveston and, together with Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster, had him executed. The act garnered sympathy and support for the king, but Warwick and Lancaster nevertheless managed to negotiate a royal pardon for their actions. After the disastrous defeat at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, King Edward's authority was once more weakened, and the rebellious barons took over control of government. For Warwick the triumph was brief; he died the next year.

    Guy de Beauchamp is today remembered primarily for his part in the killing of Gaveston, but by his contemporaries he was considered a man of exceptionally good judgement and learning. He owned what was for his time a large collection of books, and his advice was often sought by many of the other earls. Next to Lancaster, he was the wealthiest peer in the nation, and after his death his lands and title were inherited by his son, Thomas de Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick.

    Guy married Alice de Tony before 28 Feb 1310. Alice (daughter of Ralph VII de Tony and Mary) was born about 1283; died on 1 Jan 1325. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 100. Elizabeth de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 101. Maud de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point died after 30 Oct 1369; was buried in Black Friars, Holborn, London, England.
    3. 102. Thomas de Beauchamp  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Feb 1314 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England; died on 13 Nov 1369 in Calais, France; was buried in St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire, England.

  29. 81.  Isabel de Vipont Descendancy chart to this point (47.Isabel7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1248 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died in 1291; was buried in Shap Abbey, Westmorland, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1251
    • Alternate birth: 1254
    • Alternate death: Bef 14 May 1292
    • Alternate death: 14 May 1292

    Isabel married Roger de Clifford after 28 Jun 1265. Roger (son of Roger de Clifford and Maud) was born about 1242 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 6 Nov 1282 in Moel-y-Don, Wales; was buried in Llanfaes Friary, Beaumaris, Gwynedd, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 133. Robert de Clifford  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1 Apr 1274; died on 24 Jun 1314 in Bannockburn, Stirlingshire, Scotland; was buried in Shap Abbey, Westmorland, England.

  30. 82.  Giles de Burgh Descendancy chart to this point (48.Avelina7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1)

    Notes:

    Also called Egidia de Burgh; Jill de Burgh.

    Family/Spouse: James Stewart. James (son of Alexander Stewart and Jean Macrory) was born about 1243; died on 16 Jul 1309. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 134. Walter Stewart  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1297; died on 9 Apr 1327 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.

  31. 83.  Richard de Burgh Descendancy chart to this point (48.Avelina7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born about 1259; died on 29 Jul 1326 in Monastery at Athassel-on-the-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland.

    Notes:

    Earl of Ulster. Lieutenant of Ireland.

    Richard married Margaret before 27 Feb 1281. Margaret died in 1304. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 135. John de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point died on 18 Jun 1313 in Galway, Ireland.
    2. 136. Joan de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point died on 23 Apr 1359.
    3. 137. Elizabeth de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point died on 26 Oct 1327 in Cullen, Moray, Scotland; was buried in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
    4. 138. Eleanor de Burgh  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1282 in Wales; died after 1326.

  32. 84.  Edmund le Boteler Descendancy chart to this point (49.Joan7, 23.Isabel6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Arkow, Wickland, Ireland; died on 13 Sep 1321 in London, England; was buried in Gowran, Kilkenney, Ireland.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Between 1273 and 1279, of Knocktopher, Kilkenney, Ireland

    Notes:

    Justiciar of Ireland. In 1316-17 he commanded the English forces in Ireland against the invasion of Edward de Brus. He died in London after returning from a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostello.

    Edmund married Joan fitz John in 1302. Joan (daughter of John fitz Thomas fitz Gerald and Blanche Roche) died before 2 May 1320. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 139. James le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1305 in of Knocktopher, Kilkenney, Ireland; died between Jan 1338 and Feb 1338; was buried in Gowran, Kilkenney, Ireland.

  33. 85.  Roger le Bigod Descendancy chart to this point (50.John7, 24.Ralph6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born in in of Settrington, Yorkshire, England; died on 17 Apr 1362.

    Family/Spouse: Joan. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 140. John Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1332 and 1334 in of Settrington, Yorkshire, England; died on 13 Nov 1388.
    2. 141. Joan Bigod  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Mar 1339.

  34. 86.  Lucy de Kyme Descendancy chart to this point (51.Joan7, 25.Hugh6, 12.Hugh5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) died before 1318.

    Lucy married Robert de Umfreville before 20 Sep 1303. Robert (son of Gilbert de Umfreville and Elizabeth Comyn) was born about 1277 in of Prudhoe, Hexham, Northumberland, England; died in Mar 1325; was buried in Newminster Abbey, Northumberland, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 142. Elizabeth de Umfreville  Descendancy chart to this point died before 6 Jan 1381.

  35. 87.  Ranulph de Neville Descendancy chart to this point (52.Mary7, 26.Ralph6, 13.Mary5, 7.Ida4, 4.Ralph3, 2.Roger2, 1.Alice1) was born on 18 Oct 1262 in of Raby, Durham, England; died after 18 Apr 1331; was buried in Coverham Abbey, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 18 Apr 1331

    Notes:

    "Randolf or Ranulph (sometimes called, seemingly in error, Ralph, son and heir of Robert de Neville and Mary his wife, was born 18 October 1262, and was heir to the Neville estates on the death of his grandfather, in 1282 (having livery under writ of 11 January 1283/4), and to his mother's inheritance, April 1320. He was summoned, 15 July 1287, with horses and arms to a military council at Gloucester (before Edmund, Earl of Cornwall, in the King's absence abroad), and to attend the King at Westminster, June 1294. He was summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 18 February 1330/1, by writs directed Ranulpho (and Radulpho) de Neville, whereby he is held to have become Lord Neville. For service in Scotland he was summoned 1291 and in later years; for service in Gascony, 1294, 1297 and 1324; and against the rebels under the Earl of Lancaster, 1322. His seal, as Dominus de Raby, was attached to the letter of the Barons to the Pope, February 1300/1. In 1303 he was chief of the delegates summoned by the King to set forth the grievances of the people against the Bishop of Durham. He, or possibly his son Ralph, was commissioner of array in Durham, 1322, in the North Riding of Yorks, 1324, and in Northumberland, 1324 and 1326; in 1325 Keeper of the Peace and one of the specially appointed keepers of the coast in Northumberland, and in 1326 one of the commissioners to impress shipping in the ports of that county. He m., 1stly, Eupheme, daughter of Robert Fitzroger, Lord Fitzroger (see Clavering), and, 2ndly, Margery, dau. of John de Thweng, by whom he had no issue. He died shortly after 18 April 1331." [Complete Peerage IX:497-8.]

    Dugdale says of him that "It is reported of this Ranulph, that he little minded Secular business; but, for the most part, betook himself to conversation with the Canons of Merton and Coverham; as also, that he committed Incest with his own Daughter, and that Richard de Kellaw, Bishop of Durham, did for that crime compel him to do publick pennance." According to footnote (b) of the CP account quoted previously, this took place in 1313.

    A slightly different version of the incest story is found in the 1875 Preface to Volume III of The Register of Richard de Kellawe, Lord Palatine and Bishop of Durham, 1314-1316, by the volume's editor, Sir Thomas Duffus Hardy. Hardy devotes nearly a page to the conviction and punishment of Ranulph's daughter Anastasia for her adultery with John de Lilleford, dwelling at length on how "proving contumacious, sentence of the Greater Excommunication was pronounced against her." This sentence was subquently commuted by the bishop and replaced with six weeks of elaborate public penance. But "[t]his unhappy woman's troubles seem not to have ended even with this promulgation of her shame and disgrace. On the 9th of November following, a mandate was issued by the bishop for the condemnation of Sur Ranulph de Neville, knight, who had been 'judicially convicted of the crime of incest and adultery with the said Anastasia, his daughter, and wife of Sir Walter de Fauconberg;' to appear in the parish church of Aukland, on the Monday after the feast of St. Andrew the Apostle, there to receive penance for the said crime and for the further offence of contumacy. Sir Ranulph failing to appear, on the 16th of the following month, a mandate was issued, directing him to be excommunicated, in the Galilee at Durham, and all parish churches within the archdeaconry of Durham. We have no further details of this lamentable story. Sir Ranulph de Nevill, of Raby, was a baron of Parliament by writ, succeeded his grandfather Robert, in 1282, and died in 1331. It is only just to add, that Sir Ranulph seems habitually to have been in disfavour with the church; as for other, and apparently, trivial offenses, he had been pronounced excommunicated in the month of August before; but on the Tuesday after Michaelmas day had been absolved. On the 13th of October following, we find him again cited, 'for certain crimes and excesses which he has confessed,' to appear before the bishop or his commissaries, in the Galilee at Durham. In this instance, the nature of his offenses is not named."

    There certainly seems to have been no love lost between the Neville family and the Durham ecclesiastical establishment. Dugdale reports that shortly after Ranulph assumed his inheritance in 1282, he had a feud with the prior of Durham over the terms of a customary presentation of a stag to the priory on St. Cuthbert's Day. And we see from his CP entry that in 1303 "Ranulph was chief of the delegates summoned by the King to set forth the grievances of the people against the Bishop of Durham." The incest case happened in 1313. In 1318, Ranulph's eldest son Robert attacked and killed Richard Marmaduke, seneschal to the bishop, on the Old Bridge of Durham. All of which suggests a cycle of offense and reprisal. (Later in the same year, Robert was killed by James, earl of Douglas, in single combat to which Robert had dared the earl.)

    It should also be noted that Dugdale's characterization of Ranulph as "little minding Secular business" accords oddly with the eventful life of military and civilian service set forth by Complete Peerage. And yet this characterization appears elsewhere. T. F. Bulmer's 1890 History and Directory of Old Yorkshire states that this Ranulph "was so indolent and careless in the management of his affairs, that his mother settled Middleham and the rest of her manors on her grandson, Robert Neville". One wonders if we aren't simply picking through the tattered leavings of a 700-years-gone propaganda war.

    Ranulph married Euphemia de Clavering before 12 Mar 1281. Euphemia (daughter of Robert fitz Roger and Margaret la Zouche) was born after 1265; died about 1320; was buried in Staindrop, Durham, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 143. Ralph de Neville  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1291 in of Raby, Durham, England; died on 5 Aug 1367; was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England.