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Ralph de Limesi

Male - Abt 1129


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Ralph de Limesi was born , of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England; died Abt 1129.

    Notes:

    Founder of Hertford priory.

    Ralph married Hawise. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 2. Alan de Limesi  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England; died Bef 1162.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Alan de Limesi Descendancy chart to this point (1.Ralph1) was born , of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England; died Bef 1162.

    Alan married . Unknown [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 3. Gerard de Limesi  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Wolverley, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 1185.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  Gerard de Limesi Descendancy chart to this point (2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born , of Wolverley, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 1185.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England

    Gerard married Amicia de Bidun. Amicia was born Abt 1124; died Aft 1185. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 4. John de Limesi  Descendancy chart to this point was born Between 1145 and 1160, of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England; died 1193.
    2. 5. Alice de Limesi  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1155; died Bef 1213.
    3. 6. Basilia de Limesi  Descendancy chart to this point died Aft 1224.


Generation: 4

  1. 4.  John de Limesi Descendancy chart to this point (3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Between 1145 and 1160, of Cavendish, Sudbury, Suffolk, England; died 1193.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 1198

    John married Alice de Harcourt. Alice (daughter of Robert de Harcourt and Isabel de Camville) died 1205. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Alice de Limesi Descendancy chart to this point (3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1155; died Bef 1213.

    Alice married William de Lindsay. William was born Abt 1155; died Abt 1200. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 7. David de Lindsay  Descendancy chart to this point was born Between 1175 and 1180; died 1213.

  3. 6.  Basilia de Limesi Descendancy chart to this point (3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) died Aft 1224.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 13 May 1239

    Notes:

    Also called Basilia de Lindsay.

    Basilia married Hugh de Odingsells Aft 1198. Hugh was born , of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died Between 1235 and 13 May 1239. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 8. William de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died 1271.


Generation: 5

  1. 7.  David de Lindsay Descendancy chart to this point (5.Alice4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Between 1175 and 1180; died 1213.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Between 1214 and 1215
    • Alternate death: Abt 1214

    Notes:

    Also called David de Lindesi. Justiciar of Scotland.

    David married Margaret of Scotland Bef 1201. Margaret (daughter of David of Scotland and (Unknown mistress of David of Scotland)) was born Abt 1185; died Bef 14 Jun 1243. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 9. Alice de Lindsay  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1205; died Aft 30 Nov 1288.

  2. 8.  William de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born , of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died 1271.

    Notes:

    Keeper of Montgomery Castle.

    William married Joan. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 10. William de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died 1294.


Generation: 6

  1. 9.  Alice de Lindsay Descendancy chart to this point (7.David5, 5.Alice4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1205; died Aft 30 Nov 1288.

    Alice married Henry de Pinkney Bef 1228. Henry (son of Robert de Pinkney) was born , of Weedon Pinkney, Northamptonshire, England; died Bef 22 Jul 1254. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 11. Henry de Pinkney  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1228, of Weedon Pinkney, Northamptonshire, England; died Bef 25 Aug 1275.

  2. 10.  William de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born , of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died 1294.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1235, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England
    • Alternate death: 19 Apr 1295

    Notes:

    Justiciar of Ireland 19 Oct 1294 - 19 Apr 1295.

    William married Ela fitz Walter Bef 1273. Ela (daughter of Walter fitz Robert and Ida Longespée) died Aft 2 Jul 1295. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 12. Ida de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1265, of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died Aft 1 Mar 1322.
    2. 13. Margaret de Odingsells  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1277; died Aft 1318.


Generation: 7

  1. 11.  Henry de Pinkney Descendancy chart to this point (9.Alice6, 7.David5, 5.Alice4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1228, of Weedon Pinkney, Northamptonshire, England; died Bef 25 Aug 1275.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 4 Feb 1278

    Notes:

    "[S]ummoned for service in Wales in 1257, 1258, 1260, and 1263, among the barons summoned to London in 1261 to oppose the barons hostile to the king, in 1264 with the king in the king's service." [Charles M. Hansen, citation details below.]

    Henry married Mary. Mary died Aft 25 Aug 1275. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 14. Agnes de Pinkney  Descendancy chart to this point died Aft 13 Jun 1296.
    2. 15. Robert de Pinkney  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 12.  Ida de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1265, of Solihull, Warwickshire, England; died Aft 1 Mar 1322.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1270
    • Alternate death: Aft 8 Apr 1325

    Notes:

    Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum (1846) says that this Ida, widow of John de Clinton, was a prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1300. VCH Warwick 2 says that "Lady Isabel Clinton" succeeded Agnes as prioress of Wroxhall and died in 1325. The register of Thomas Cobham, Bishop of Worcester, 1317-1327, names "the noble lady Ysabella de Clyntone" as one of the several parties to a dispute he adjudicated at Wroxhall in 1323, but says nothing about Isabel becoming prioress, nor anything to identify her as the Ida who was the widow of John de Clinton who died in 1311. Additionally, while several records exist of the widow Ida in the 1320s, none of them make any reference to her being at Wroxhall, as a prioress or not. As John Watson pointed out on SGM, 8 and 9 Sep 2017, the likeliest solution to the above is that Dugdale was mistaken, and that the Clinton widow of Wroxhall priory was someone else, perhaps the otherwise-unknown widow of John de Clinton of Coleshill who died in 1316.

    "He [John Clinton] married, probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'Odingsells, 1st daughter of William d'Odingsells, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2." [Complete Peerage III:12-13]

    Douglas Richardson in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2001, adds a first husband for Ida:

    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
    Subject: Ida de Odingsells's Herdeburgh and Clinton Marriages: Further Evidence
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2001-09-27 08:31:32 PST

    Dear Newsgroup:

    Two days ago I announced the discovery that Ida de Odingsells, a descendant of King Henry II, married (lst) Roger de Herdeburgh (died c. 1284), by whom she had a daughter, Ela de Herdeburgh, who left many descendants. Previously Ida was only known to have had a marriage about 1290 to John de Clinton, 1st Lord Clinton (died c. 1310). Following my post, Rosie Bevan kindly provided a citation which confirmed that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was in fact named Ida.

    Since my first post, I've located an informative article on the Herdeburgh family which appeared in Norfolk Archaeology, 30 (1952): 19-25. That article cites two documents, one dated 1284, the other 1286, which establish beyond doubt that Roger de Herdeburgh's wife was named Ida and that Ida, as Roger's widow, held the manor of Prilleston, Norfolk (a Herdeburgh manor) following his death. The article further states that Prilleston was eventually conveyed by Ida de Herdeburgh's heirs to her grandson, Walter de Hopton, Knt. This confirms that that Prilleston stayed in the family past Ida's death about 1328.

    As for other evidence that widow Ida de Herdeburgh married John de Clinton, I found elsewhere that Prilleston, Norfolk was held in 1316 by "Idonia de Clynton" [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 478]. Idonia de Clynton can be none other than Ida de Clinton, then a widow for the second time.

    Best always,
    Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    Ida married John de Clinton Aft 29 Sep 1286. John (son of Thomas de Clinton and Maud Bracebridge) was born Abt 1258, of Amington in Tamworth, Warwickshire, England; died 1310. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 16. John de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1300, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 1 Apr 1335.
    2. 17. William de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died 24 Aug 1354.

    Ida married Roger de Herdeburgh. Roger (son of Hugh de Herdeburgh and Isabel de Craft) was born , of Willey, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 9 Feb 1284. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 18. Ela de Herdeburgh  Descendancy chart to this point died Aft 5 Jul 1343.

  3. 13.  Margaret de Odingsells Descendancy chart to this point (10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1277; died Aft 1318.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 21 Apr 1330

    Margaret married John de Grey. John (son of Robert de Grey and Joan de Valoines) was born Abt 1272, of Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England; died 17 Oct 1311. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 19. John de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born 9 Oct 1300; died 1 Sep 1359, Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England.
    2. 20. Joan de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point died Bef 1339.


Generation: 8

  1. 14.  Agnes de Pinkney Descendancy chart to this point (11.Henry7, 9.Alice6, 7.David5, 5.Alice4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) died Aft 13 Jun 1296.

    Agnes married John de Wahull Between 1269 and 1272. John (son of Walter de Wahull and Hawise de Vivonne) was born Abt 1248, of Odell, Bedfordshire, England; died Bef 5 Apr 1296. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 21. Thomas de Wahull  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1273, of Odell, Bedfordshire, England; died Bef 30 Jan 1304.

  2. 15.  Robert de Pinkney Descendancy chart to this point (11.Henry7, 9.Alice6, 7.David5, 5.Alice4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1)

    Notes:

    One of the competitors in 1291 for the throne of Scotland.


  3. 16.  John de Clinton Descendancy chart to this point (12.Ida7, 10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born Abt 1300, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 1 Apr 1335.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Bef 1301, of Amington in Tamworth, Warwickshire, England

    Notes:

    "John de Clinton, 2nd Baron Clinton; fought with the royal army which defeated Edward II's cousin Thomas, Earl of Lancaster at Battle of Boroughbridge 16 March 1321/2, knighted by 1324." [Burke's Peerage]

    "He and his brother, William, were squires in the household of Queen Isabel of France, wife of King Edward II, in 1311-12." [Royal Ancestry]

    "John de Clinton, 2nd Lord Clinton, b. c 1300, d. c 1335; m. by 24 Feb 1328/9, Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir William Corbet of Chaddesley Corbet, co. Worcester. She was living 1343. John de Clinton, 2nd Lord Clinton was son & heir of John de Clinton (son and heir of Thomas de Clinton by Maud, daughter of Sir Ralph Bracebridge of Kinsbury, co. Worcester), b. c 1258, d. 1310, 1st Lord Clinton; m. c 1290 Ida, daughter of Sir William de Odingsells of Maxstoke by Ela, daughter of Walter Fitz Robert. She was 1st daughter, b. c 1270, living 1321." [Ancestral Roots]

    "John (de Clinton), Lord Clinton, son and heir born probably in, or shortly before 1300. He fought, 16 March 1321/2, ex parte Regis, at Boroughbridge. Knighted before 1324. From 27 January 1331/2 to 1 April 1335, he was summoned to Parliament, the words 'Mortuus est' being added to the last writ. He married, before 24 February 1328/9, Margery, daughter of Sir William Corbet, of Chaddesley Corbet, co. Worcester. He died about 1335. His widow was living May 1343." [Complete Peerage III:313]

    John married Margery Corbet Bef 7 Apr 1325. Margery (daughter of William Corbet) was born , of Chaddesley Corbet, Worcestershire, England; died Aft 14 May 1343. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 22. John de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 13 Apr 1328, of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died 6 Sep 1398; was buried , Haversham, Buckinghamshire, England.
    2. 23. Ida de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point died Bef 1368.

  4. 17.  William de Clinton Descendancy chart to this point (12.Ida7, 10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born , of Maxstoke, Warwickshire, England; died 24 Aug 1354.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 25 Aug 1354

    Notes:

    Earl of Huntingdon. Constable of Halton Castle, 1326; Chief Justice of Chester, 1330; Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports, 1330; Privy Councillor, 1333; Captain and Admiral of the Cinque Ports, 133-35; Captain and Admiral from the Thames to Portsmouth, 1340; Captain and Admiral of the West, 1341-42; Joint Warden of the Marches toward Scotland, 1342; Justice of the Forest South of Trent, 1343-45; Joint Warden in Kent, 1352.

    William married (Unknown wife or mistress of William de Clinton). [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 24. Elizabeth de Clinton  Descendancy chart to this point died Aft 1399.

  5. 18.  Ela de Herdeburgh Descendancy chart to this point (12.Ida7, 10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) died Aft 5 Jul 1343.

    Ela married William le Boteler Bef 1310. William (son of William le Boteler and Ankaret verch Gruffudd) was born 11 Jun 1274, of Wem, Shropshire, England; died Bef 14 Sep 1334. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 25. Ankaret le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point died 8 Oct 1361.
    2. 26. Alice le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point died Aft 1364.

  6. 19.  John de Grey Descendancy chart to this point (13.Margaret7, 10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) was born 9 Oct 1300; died 1 Sep 1359, Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 29 Oct 1300, Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England

    Notes:

    Steward of the King's Household, 1350-56. Founding member of the Order of the Garter, 23 Apr 1349. Summoned to Parliament from 15 Nov 1338 to 15 Dec 1357, by writs directed Johanni de Grey de Rotherfield.

    In January 1332 he had a quarrel with William la Zouche Mortimer, 1st Lord Zouche of Zouche's Castle, and drew his knife on him in the king's presence. He was committed to prison, and sought pardon on 27 March 1332 and had restoration.

    John married Avice Marmion Bef 1341. Avice (daughter of John Marmion and Maud de Furnival) died Aft 20 Mar 1379. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 27. Maud de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Little Linford, Oxfordshire, England; died 1391; was buried , Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.
    2. 28. Robert de Grey  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Wilcote, Oxfordshire, England; died 19 Aug 1367.

  7. 20.  Joan de Grey Descendancy chart to this point (13.Margaret7, 10.William6, 8.William5, 6.Basilia4, 3.Gerard3, 2.Alan2, 1.Ralph1) died Bef 1339.

    Joan married John Ralegh Bef 1302. John (son of Henry Ralegh and Mabel Punchardon) was born , of Farnborough, Warwickshire, England; died Aft 24 Feb 1348. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 29. John Ralegh  Descendancy chart to this point was born Bef 1314, of Farnborough, Warwickshire, England; died Bef 29 Sep 1348.