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      <description>From the PhysicsWeb site, an article by Robert P. Crease. A while back he asked readers to send in their...</description>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #1 from Christopher Hatton</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher Hatton on 27.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved that bit of TIOL, too.  And I was the only one who laughed at the Catullus jokes (the night I saw it, I mean; I'm sure you laughed at them too).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 27, 2002  5:07 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #2 from John Farrell</title>
         <description>comment from John Farrell on 27.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Other readers found beauty in much larger play - such as Roemer's observations of Jupiter's moon Io to determine the speed of light or Eddington's measurement of the bending of starlight. These astronomical observations turn the entire solar system - and even the galaxy and beyond - into a vast playing field for experiment.</i></p>

<p>Yeah. I'm looking forward to the launch of <a href="http://einstein.stanford.edu" rel="nofollow">Gravity Probe B</a> in the next year, to measure the actual drag of spacetime around the Earth. </p>

<p>Thanks for the link, Teresa!<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 27, 2002  7:38 PM by John Farrell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #3 from Mary Kay</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Kay on 28.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa said:<br />
"Usually, when people talk about the finicky bits of text editing, I apologetically say okay, it's boring, but someone has to care about all that stuff, and aren't you glad it isn't you? But sometimes what I want to say is 'No, you don't understand--sometimes it's beautiful.'"</p>

<p>I'll never forget the time I explained in Slanapa just what it is that library catalogers do.  Jerry Lapidus, I believe it was, had the 'that sounds really boring, but whatever' reaction.  I was quite taken aback.  I loved cataloging and was really good it.  (I entered Library School wanting, like so many others, to be a reference librarian--my first cataloging course was a revelation.) I can't, in honesty bring myself to say it's always beautiful, but oh, so often it's just lovely the way things fit together.</p>

<p>MKK </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 28, 2002  1:44 AM by Mary Kay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #4 from Joel Davis</title>
         <description>comment from Joel Davis on 28.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the phrase "deep play" and will add that to my mental toybox of favorite concepts like "strange loops" from Godel, Escher and Bach.</p>

<p>Great link.</p>

<p>Best,</p>

<p>Joel Davis</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 28, 2002 11:29 AM by Joel Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #5 from Matt McIrvin</title>
         <description>comment from Matt McIrvin on 30.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorites was Pound and Rebka's experiment to measure the gravitational change in the frequency of light (gamma-ray photons) going up and down a vertical shaft.  This is for several reasons:</p>

<p>1. They measured a phenomenon usually thought of as astrophysical, on the scale of a university science building;</p>

<p>2. One way of describing the result is that they were measuring the differential rate of time at the top and bottom of the shaft;</p>

<p>3. They used Mossbauer spectroscopy, which has always struck me as one of the most beautiful techniques in physics-- an amazing combination of an exotic physical effect and deceptively simple-looking equipment (it usually involves wobbling something with an audio speaker transducer) to get fantastically precise results;</p>

<p>4. The effect they measured was so tiny that one of the most troublesome background effects they had to compensate for was the relativistic time dilation due to the room-temperature motion of atoms;</p>

<p>5. The shaft where it took place was a few yards away from my old grad-student office, so I could impress undergrads by pointing to it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2002 12:35 AM by Matt McIrvin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #6 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin J. Maroney on 30.Sep.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm rather amazed that Michelson & Morley's ether experimentation didn't make the top ten. But then, their experiment is time-consuming to reproduce. </p>

<p>I wish I could remember who it was who made huge strides against phlogiston by demonstrating that a horse-turned spindle could generate unlimited amounts of heat, which proved that the heat wasn't coming from phlogiston in the spindle itself; that's always struck me as a good one, too. </p>

<p>Ah, <a href="http://www.rit.edu/~flwstv/heat.html" rel="nofollow">here it is</a>. Benjamin Thompson, Count Rumford, and it wasn't about phlogiston. After Lavoisier proved that phlogiston didn't exist, he proposed a very similar substance called "caloric". Rumford's observations of cannon-boring disproved the "caloric" theory, though it lingered for a while longer. </p>

<p>"Strides Against Phlogiston" would be a great album title, regardless. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2002  2:29 PM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #7 from Alan Bostick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, the Michelson-Morley experiment is easily reproducible; as much within the reach of a freshman or sophmore physics lab as is the electron double-slit experiment</p>

<p>Personally, I'm astonished that the Baron von Eotvos' experiment demonstrating the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass didn't make even the list of also-rans</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2002  4:43 PM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #8 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin J. Maroney on  1.Oct.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan: It's hard to reproduce because doing it right takes six months (because you want to try the test with the Earth's velocity reversed). But other than that, you're right. </p>

<p>As to Etrovos: Perhaps the voters thought that Cavendish's experiments filled the torsion balance requirement? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2002  2:00 AM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Immanent beauty -- comment #9 from ers</title>
         <description>comment from ers on 14.Oct.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just catching up...  </p>

<p>In general, I find that anyone holding forth on a subject that they study for the love of it can't be boring. (Hope that parses -- I do use "they" to solve what Anne Fadiman called the "his'er dilemma.")  For some lovely writing about the beauty of language and editing, read Anne Fadiman's collection of essays, _Ex Libris_. Do not walk to the book store. Run.</p>

<p>I have not read or seen TIOL, but I'm going to get my hands on a copy of the script Real Soon Now. And maybe persuade the community theatre group I work with to consider it... :-} There are a number of staunch Stoppard fans in the group. Stoppard put some similar insight into the beauties of math in Arcadia, by the way.</p>

<p>As for finicky text editing, it IS beautiful. So there. I, too, joke about being impossibly picky and pettifogging, but that's just social embarrassment -- good writing, aided by insightful, precise editing, is beautiful in its clarity and (sometimes) its clever precision. When it's really good, you can see the beauty of the ideas, concepts, and/or images *behind* the words, and feel the resonances....</p>

<p>ers</p>

<p>ers</p>]]>
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