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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #1 from John M. Ford</title>
         <description>comment from John M. Ford on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was aware of the general rep of SF conventions among the hotel and convention-center crowd (hanging out with people like Ben and Craig Miller, u.v.a., will do that) but the Mad Jargonist (argotnaut?) is fascinated by the Meetingese translations of Fanconnaitre terms -- "Program Items" are "Presentations," "Dealers" (aka "Hucksters") are "Exhibitors."</p>

<p>And I know enough of the HRI business (it being one of the Old Family Businesses) to be aware that, whatever a con may look like to a bewildered stringer told to cover it for the local rag or feed, we really are quite a lot better behaved than the usual convention crowd.  Things have improved slightly since the "Sons of the Desert" cliche of guys in suits cut loose from home, wife, family, and spending their own money to indulge in Babylonian fantasies of Great You-Know-Whats with phone numbers graven on their thighs, but TV sets do still get thrown out of windows.  Anyone who was at one of the Philcons that occupied congruent space to the Army-Navy Game will know what I mean.<br />
I have an indelible memory of sitting in the lobby bar at (a different) Philcon, watching a young woman in a gold lame jumpsuit with matching stilettos, nails, and hair try with increasing bewilderment to ply her ancient trade.  F. Paul Wilson showed up, and we discreetly watched the spectacle for a while, until the lady stamped her pointy heels and called for a taxi to go somewhere mor promising.</p>

<p>Well, okay, maybe sf cons aren't A-list in -everybody's- dossier.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002 12:53 AM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #2 from Ted Serrill</title>
         <description>comment from Ted Serrill on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, and I wanted to read more. You started a sentence, "And talking about the Labor Day..." I could read the first line, but no more. I was down to the bottom, but you kept on going. This has happened before on your site. A mystery to me.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  1:28 AM by Ted Serrill&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:28:55 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #3 from Mitch Wagner</title>
         <description>comment from Mitch Wagner on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and good to see conrunners get credit for what they do - but still I found the article to be patronizing, with the talk of Spock ears and people speaking Romulan in the halls. (And the writer meant Klingon. Has anybody created the Romulan language?)</p>

<p>OTOH, there is a lot of odd behavior at cons. And I don't go to a lot of cons. So maybe I should just shut up. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  1:49 AM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:49:19 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #4 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Serrill: My first guess would be that you're using MSIE 6 for Windows, and that you're encountering a known bug in its ability to parse CSS.  The solution for now is to hit F11 twice.</p>

<p>If that's not the case, or if the suggestion doesn't work, let us know.</p>

<p>Mitch, believe me, one grows thick-skinned, both about the silly epiphenomena and about the reporters who fixate on them.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  6:46 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:46:31 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #5 from Derryl Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Derryl Murphy on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, I didn't know about the F11 solution. What I do is just hit the current month on the "Archives" list.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002 11:51 AM by Derryl Murphy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #6 from Scott Janssens</title>
         <description>comment from Scott Janssens on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted: hitting F5 once will also fix the problem.  That's a simple reload which doesn't explain why it fixes the problem.  When they find the bug I'm sure it will be of the variety where the programmer scratches his head a wonders how it ever worked at all.  Those are fun :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  4:20 PM by Scott Janssens&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:20:48 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #7 from Ted Serrill</title>
         <description>comment from Ted Serrill on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the suggestions. I did not need to try any today. Past blogging extends all the way down to Sept. 30.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  5:12 PM by Ted Serrill&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:12:13 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #8 from Paul Hoffman</title>
         <description>comment from Paul Hoffman on 11.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great weirdo convention happens next week: the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) tri-annual meeting. No Spock ears (well, not many...), but lots of sitting around the bar until 4 in the morning, usually with laptops open. The hotels have to agree to us setting up wireless networks in the "public areas", like the hotel lobby. They usually hate it... for about a day until they realize that it keeps us sitting in the bar buying expensive sodas and beers from them.</p>

<p>The past few years, we have met in Minneapolis in March because we could get the hotel for almost free. The first year, they were skeptical until we sold out the hotel. They immediately asked us back, particularly when they had to get extra help in the bar and restaurant (which has truly boring hotel food, but IETFers are notoriously lazy about going out, particularly when there is wireless access).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 11, 2002  7:18 PM by Paul Hoffman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:18:34 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #9 from Janet Lafler</title>
         <description>comment from Janet Lafler on 12.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IETF sounds like it has a fair amount in common with the C++ Standardization Committee meetings, which my husband goes to once or twice a year. One year the meeting was held in a resort in Curacao that had a swim-up bar, and we wondered how they would get any work done, seeing as most laptops aren't waterproof.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 12, 2002 12:00 PM by Janet Lafler&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:00:02 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #10 from Kate Yule</title>
         <description>comment from Kate Yule on 14.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one Portland Westercon, hotel staff was invited to the "Memorable Con Disasters" panel.  I remember them as saying they liked us just fine, much better than Shriners or firemen.  When firemen get drunk and rowdy -- and they do -- they do serious damage.  </p>

<p>(A related quote, second- or third-hand, from Housekeeping at the Atlanta Worldcon with the huge atrium:  "I like these people.  They throw light things.")  </p>

<p>As for John M. Ford's tale of the "pro" in the lobby, one of her sisters was at San Jose in gold lame bodysuit and cat makeup.  She tried valiantly to bypass the elevator lines, protesting that she wasn't part of the convention, she "just wore this to fit in!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 14, 2002  7:29 PM by Kate Yule&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:29:50 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Good meeting news -- comment #11 from Chip Hitchcock</title>
         <description>comment from Chip Hitchcock on 16.Nov.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been told (somewhat reliably) that the article was the result of a great deal of groundwork by Ben over some time; apparently the dossier isn't quite as well-spread as it might be, and he thought this would help.</p>

<p>Teresa: unfortunately, there is no "60-year history of paying our bills", thanks to the little affair in Baltimore in 1983. (And if you go back much before that, SF conventions probably drop off the national radar -- per http://www.worldcon.org/wclist.html, attendance didn't break 1000 until 1967. (From what I read about some 1950's conventions this may be a Good Thing.) There used to be complaints that the hotels <b>weren't</b> paying attention -- I was told in 1982 (by a less reliable source) that the Chicago Hyatt decided the Phoenix Hyatt must have been lying about the business done at the first open-all-night coffee shop.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2002  8:28 PM by Chip Hitchcock&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:28:32 -0500</pubDate>
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