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      <description>From the Babylonian Mathematics website:In this article we examine four Babylonian tablets which all have some connection with Pythagoras's theorem....</description>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #1 from Scott</title>
         <description>comment from Scott on  1.Jul.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>355/113 is actually a rather better approximation than 3.1416. In fact, that such an accurate approximation should have been discovered so early in human history AND be expressed in such an elegant pattern of just six digits is one of the minor miracles of mathematics.</p>

<p>One of my own favorite weirdnesses about ancient mathematics is the Egyptian system of fractions. For some reason they confined themselves to unit fractions (1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, and so on), with the inexplicable exception of 2/3, and all other fractions were expressed as sums of these -- and you weren't allowed to repeat one. So 3/5 was expressed not as 1/5 + 1/5 + 1/5, but as 1/2 + 1/10.</p>

<p>They developed methods of computation with fractions that got the job done but which seem incredibly roundabout to us now.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  1, 2003  2:55 PM by Scott&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #2 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
         <description>comment from Jonathan Vos Post on  1.Jul.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am deeply interested in Hitory of Mathematics, and have quite a bit of it on my web domain.</p>

<p>For example, from my home page<br />
magicdragon.com<br />
if you click on "Timeline"<br />
you get my Encyclopedia of History of Mathematics combined with History of Science Fiction and History of World Literature and History of Science and Technology.</p>

<p>Go to any Century that I cover.  For most of them, I am in the top 5 worldwide according to Google, if you enter in Google: "3rd century", <br />
"4th century", "5th century", and so forth.  I have biographic and bibliographic data on major authors, philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, and anyone else who interests me.  I have also posted the chronology of estimates of "pi" in the Midle East, Japan, China, India, and so forth.</p>

<p>You can read my chronology (including Math) also in "1st Millennium BC", "2nd Millennium BC", "3rd Millennium BC", "4th Millennium BC", "5th Millennium BC", "6th Millennium BC", and "Cosmic History" goes back into anthropology, biological and geological evolution, and cosmology.</p>

<p>We have another interest in common! And 12,000,000 hits per year on my domain shows that lots of other people do, also.</p>

<p>Don't forget that in the Old Testament, a large circular well is described as being "10 cubits" in diamter, and "30 cubits" in circumference, which make pi = 3.000000</p>

<p>As to Babylon, that friendly merger of Akkadian and Sumerian civilizations was amazingly high-tech.  Did you know that one family kept as trade secret the process of electroplating, which they used to make jewelry for the King?  We have carefully analyzed the crusted remnants of their wet-cell batteries.</p>

<p>Of course, Bablyon's creation myth was that extraterrestrials who breathed water, had space helmets, and lived for centuries came from a star and taught Earthlings about ceramics, metals, and mathematics... but that's another story.</p>

<p>And don't forget Carl Sagan's weird idea in the novel of "Contact" (started as film treatment) that trillions of digits deep in "pi" is a perfect digitized cicture of a circle, sort of a signature of God...</p>

<p>Sorry I've been out of touch for a month or two.  Had to file yet another petition for review to the California Supreme Court, against the Hollwood Producers who ripped me off in 1994-1995, and against whom I won a loandmark Supreme Court case in August 2000.  Also, I've been giving testimony to the Columbia Accident Investigation Board (there were SF fans who contributed to the Shutle disaster); attending a wedding at CBS studios with reception on "New York Street" outside set near the intersection of Newhart Street and Mary Tyler Moore Avenue, working on 3 appeals including one to save an historic theatre in Pasadena California, and ever so much more.</p>

<p>Bye for now...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  1, 2003  4:01 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #3 from David Moles</title>
         <description>comment from David Moles on  1.Jul.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the Egyptian fraction system is much weirder than my high school math teachers&#8217; insistence that I not leave roots in the denominators of my fractions.</p>

<p>It makes me wonder if the Egyptians had some set of physical counters &#8212; like a set of weights or measuring cups. It&#8217;s like a <a href="http://www.ee.princeton.edu/~canturk/puzzles.html" rel="nofollow">Microsoft interview problem</a>, almost: given 1 cup, 1/2 cup, and 1/4 cup measuring cups, plus a tablespoon, how many of them can you get dirty while measuring out 1 3/8 cup of flour?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  1, 2003  4:03 PM by David Moles&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #4 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on  1.Jul.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of the books wandering around somewhere in my house, is the claim that in Israel there is a prehistoric slab of cast glass which was one of two -- the other destroyed in recent times -- which were the largest in the world prior to the casting for the mirror for the Palomar telescope.  IIRC the book has a picture of the slab.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  1, 2003  5:31 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #5 from Erik V. Olson</title>
         <description>comment from Erik V. Olson on  1.Jul.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The egyptian fractional method comes from the traditional splitting of land, esp., land that was given to the priests to support funerary rites. It was very common for a person to give one part of his land to make sure the priest took care of his parents shrine, then, when he died, his son would give another part -- you ended up with long strings of fractions. The 2/3rds part, apparently, comes from the fact that the normal tax in an ideal year (the level of the flood determined the tax rate) was 1/3 the normal predicted harvest, leaving 1/3 and 1/3 for the farmer. Since this was an incredibly common combination, it's not surprising that "1/3 and 1/3" got a symbol of it's own. However, reading it as "2/3" is risky -- the Egyptians had lots of shortcut symbols for common long phrases ("A voice offering which the kings gives" being another one) and the proper reading may well be "1/3 and 1/3", not "2/3."</p>

<p>And, of course, Egyptian teachers came up with problems that resulted in crazy long fractions as teaching aids. </p>

<p>Egyptian farm taxes were clever. The flood was measured by Nilometers (one still exists at Elphantine) and the farmers paid a set tax based on that mesurment and how much land he tilled. If a farmer worked hard, and had a better harvest because of it, his tax did not increase -- he was allowed to keep the excess as his own. Conversely, if he didn't work hard, and his harvest was less, he still paid the same harvest. There were many records of farmers pleading for relief from that years taxes, citing crop failures that they could not prevent, no matter how diligent. </p>

<p>We got lucky -- we found what was apparently a papyrus roll used in teaching mathematics, the <a href="http://www.seshat.ch/home/rhind1.htm" rel="nofollow">Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.</a> In short, we found a math book. Handy, that.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  1, 2003  5:33 PM by Erik V. Olson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pythagoras in Babylon -- comment #6 from Eric Jablow</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Moles,</p>

<p>Mathematical convention is to leave roots only in the numerator of fractions.  However, computation often requires the reverse.  Ask any numerical analyst how to solve x^2 - 100 x + 1 = 0.  The quadratic formula gives</p>

<p>(100 + \sqrt{9996}) / 2 and (100 - \sqrt{9996}) / 2</p>

<p>but the second one leads to horrible inaccuracies.  The subtraction loses 4 significant digits.  Fortunately,</p>

<p>2 / (100 + \sqrt{9996})</p>

<p>works fine.</p>

<p>Tell your high school teacher (or your kids' teacher).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 25, 2003  5:21 PM by Eric Jablow&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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