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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #1 from Paula Kate Marmor</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Kate Marmor on 24.Dec.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now to the Lord sing praises,<br /><br />
All you within this place,<br /><br />
And with true love and brotherhood<br /><br />
Each other now embrace.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  2:43 PM by Paula Kate Marmor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #2 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This holy tide of Christmas all others doth erase;<br />
O tidings of comfort and joy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  2:48 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #3 from Jo Walton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The hopes and fears of all the years are met in thee tonight."</p>

<p>Everyone, everywhere, every night, but tonight Bethlehem.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  4:05 PM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #4 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health, love, and peace be all here in this place</p>

<p>By your leave we will sing, concerning our King.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  5:20 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #5 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my favorite Christmas stories, published every year in the Kansas City Star,  originally written by the late, great Bill Vaughan.</p>

<p>http://old.mbconf.ca/mb/mbh3723/vaughan.htm</p>

<p>Peace to all.  </p>

<p>Paula</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  5:46 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #6 from Berni</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this was so nice to see before I go off to play for the Children's Liturgy, a.k.a. "The Zoo."</p>

<p>I've got a 4 p.m. call for the 5 p.m. Mass.  I'm playing guitar with a pick-up group of whoever's free and willing to put up with the insanity of the noisiest Mass.  ("Loud is good" is the motto for both the musicians and the congregation, I think.)  I want to see what the kids do, so I signed up. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  5:46 PM by Berni&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #7 from Ken MacLeod</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Christmas to everyone here.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  6:01 PM by Ken MacLeod&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #8 from Jame Scholl</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fa la la la la.  Happy holidays, everyone.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  9:13 PM by Jame Scholl&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #9 from Avedon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Into each generation, there is only one..."</p>

<p>Oh, wait, wrong story.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003  9:52 PM by Avedon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #10 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>93With powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.94 </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003 10:25 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #11 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God rest you merry, gentlemen, <br />
Let nothing you dismay, <br />
Remember Christ our Savior <br />
Was born on Christmas day, <br />
To save us all from Satan's pow'r <br />
When we were gone astray;<br />
O tidings of comfort and joy, <br />
Comfort and joy, <br />
O tidings of comfort and joy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003 11:37 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #12 from Rikibeth</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"One dollar and eighty-seven cents. That was all. And sixty cents of it was in pennies. Pennies saved one and two at a time by bulldozing the grocer and the vegetable man and the butcher until one's cheeks burned with the silent imputation of parsimony that such close dealing implied. Three times Della counted it. One dollar and eighty- seven cents. And the next day would be Christmas."</p>

<p>Merry Christmas, everyone. </p>]]>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #13 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best words in the whole story: "Fear not."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2003 11:51 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #14 from Graydon</title>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 12:01 AM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #15 from julia</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hark now, hear the angels sing<br />
listen to what they say<br />
that man will live forever more <br />
because of Christmas day</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 12:08 AM by julia&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #16 from Darkhawk</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adeste Fideles<br />
Laeti triumphantes<br />
Venite, venite in Bethlehem<br />
Natum videte<br />
Regem angelorum . . . .</p>

<p><br />
(From memory, probably badly spelt.)</p>

<p>Have you seen the Real Live Preacher's Christmas Story?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 12:14 AM by Darkhawk&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #17 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew of two sisters whose name it was Christmas, <br />
And one was named Dawn of course, the other one was named Eve. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 12:18 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #18 from Vassilissa</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can recite almost that whole passage without even trying.  The part I miss is "And this shall be a sign unto you: Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger," because it's cut from the Handel recitatives.  Yep, music student.</p>

<p>Also:<br />
Out of your sleep arise and wake,<br />
For God mankind now hath ytake,<br />
All of a maid withouten make,<br />
Of all women she beareth the bell.<br />
[...]<br />
That ever was thrall now is he free; <br />
Now ever was small now great is she; <br />
Now shall God deem both thee and me <br />
Unto his bliss if we do well.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 12:49 AM by Vassilissa&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #19 from Tom Whitmore</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy health love and peace<br />
Be all here in this place</p>

<p>(hey, it beat out <br />
Caput apri defero<br />
Redens laude domino)</p>

<p>You brought back memories of the only explicitly Christian ceremony I grew up with, my father reading that passage (and continuing) on Christmas Eve. Every year. A strong family memory. Thank you very much.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  2:59 AM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #20 from Lois Fundis</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"God bless us every one."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  3:47 AM by Lois Fundis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #21 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, and Peace on Earth</p>

<p>Which reminds me:</p>

<p>Isaac Asimov concocted a recipe for a planet like Earth: </p>

<p>"Weigh out roughly two septillion kilograms of iron, adding 10 per cent of nickel as stiffening. Mix well with four septillion kilograms of magnesium silicate, adding 5 per cent of sulfur...and small quantities of other elements. Heat in a radioactive furnace and two mutually insoluble layers separate. Cool slowly till the crust hardens and a thin film of adhering gas and moisture appears. Place in an orbit at a comfortable distance from a star and set to spinning. Then wait. In several billion years it will ferment at the surface. The fermented portion [is] called life."</p>

<p>Actually the fermented part of the system is called the Biosphere.</p>

<p>To me, what's funny about Isaac's quote is the entirety of what it leaves out.</p>

<p>Isaac told me that he was ashamed of very few things, but one was that he was not an observanr Jew.  He rationalized that he got far more done in the faiths of Humanism and Science Fiction.</p>

<p>Speaking of people with Old Testament names (he and I, for two), and with all these biblical quotes in the thread:</p>

<p>Job wrote in Job 38:31 [circa 1700 B.C.] "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?" </p>

<p>Jeremiah wrote in Jeremiah 33:22 (NIV), "I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars of the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore."</p>

<p>Me, I have an education that says it is better to count the stars than call them countless.  The current (2003) estimate is 70 septillion.</p>

<p>And here's a science fictional/theological poem by Stephen Crane:</p>

<p>"Should the wide world roll away<br />
Leaving black terror<br />
Limitless night,<br />
Nor God, nor man, nor place to stand<br />
Would be to me essential<br />
If thou and thy white arms were there<br />
And the fall to doom a long way."</p>

<p>To mention another of the Great Religions, and coming full circle on the "septillion" versus "countless":</p>

<p>Muhammad, transported to heaven one night, reported, "I saw an angel ... [that] had 70,000 heads, each head had 70,000 faces, each face had 70,000 mouths, each mouth had 70,000 tongues, and each tongue spoke 70,000 languages; all were employed in singing God's praises." That, Jim Holt says, "comes to only 1.6807 septillion languages."</p>

<p>Happy holidays,</p>

<p>Professor Jonathan Vos Post<br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: when Sasha was a small child he misheard the line about "Satan's power" as "to save us all from sacred cows" and I've been singing it that way ever since.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  8:26 AM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #23 from Janice in GA</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace, love and joy to all!</p>

<p>Our Lord harpe8d, our Lady sang,<br />
And all the bells of Heav'n they rang<br />
On Christmas day at morn.</p>

<p>and</p>

<p>Deep in the arms of winter<br />
The snow falls like a blessing<br />
The wild things sleep beneath the ground<br />
They are not cold<br />
They are not lonely<br />
Deep in the arms of winter.</p>

<p>Deep in the arms of winter<br />
The stars are bright and holy<br />
The Hunter stalks across the sky<br />
The Dancers dance<br />
I hear their music<br />
Deep in the arms of winter<br />
 (from Julia Lane)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  9:01 AM by Janice in GA&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #24 from Kip W</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wassail, a wassail<br />
For wassail's been my rue, my yin<br />
I'll go no more to wassail<br />
With you, fair maid.</p>

<p>Well. It's Sarah's first Christmas with us. Last night she threw up five times and we all ended up sleeping in the living room. This morning, she was happy to tear wrappings off and push her new dolly stroller around. Hopefully heartwarming pictures were taken. Muffins were et. </p>

<p>Onward. To The Future!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 10:16 AM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #25 from Kip W</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, we had a milestone last night. We were watching <b>A Christmas Story</b> on TNT, and we came to the scene where Ralphie is caught, alone, by Scut Farkas. At the end of the scene, Flick (I think it was Flick. I have a 50/50 chance here.) says, "Uh-oh." This is one of Sarah's favorite things to say, so she said it too.</p>

<p>You see? Not even two yet, and she can quote from <b>A Christmas Story</b>! That's my girl!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 11:17 AM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #26 from Stefanie Murray</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Christmas Carol</p>

<p>Little Star of Bethlehem!<br />
Do we see Thee now?<br />
Do we see Thee shining o'er the tall trees?<br />
Little Child of Bethlehem!<br />
Do we hear Thee in our hearts?<br />
Hear the Angels singing:<br />
Peace on earth good will to men!  Noel!</p>

<p>O'er the cradle of a King,<br />
Her the Angels sing:<br />
In excelsis Gloria, Gloria!<br />
From His Father's home on high,<br />
Lo! For us He came to die;<br />
Hear the Angels sing:<br />
Venite adoremus Dominum.</p>

<p><br />
The Innate</p>

<p>Voices live in every finite being,<br />
Often undivined, near silence.<br />
Hear them!<br />
Hear them in you! in others!<br />
They sense truth deep in all life;<br />
They know the things true Pilgrims stand for.<br />
Stand out!<br />
Come to Him without the things the world brings;<br />
Come to Him!<br />
As a child and, as a poor man.<br />
He had all,<br />
He gave all, all.</p>

<p>They're even better with the music.  My favorite pieces to sing on Christmas, both by Charles Ives. [Not sure about the stanza breaks, since I've only ever seen them on sheet music.  :)]</p>

<p>All best to all here, and my thanks as well.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet with the woes of sin and strife<br />
The world has suffered long;<br />
Beneath the angel strain have rolled<br />
Two thousand years of wrong;<br />
And man, at war with man, hears not<br />
The love-song which they bring;<br />
O hush the noise, ye men of strife<br />
And hear the angels sing.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  4:11 PM by Yonmei&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #28 from Jo Walton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And further to my "hopes and fears" comment above,</p>

<p>http://www.livejournal.com/users/papersky/125848.html</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  5:45 PM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #29 from Vera Nazarian</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003  7:16 PM by Vera Nazarian&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #30 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo Walton:</p>

<p>Everybody knows a missile and some turkey toes.</p>

<p>(But seriously, dona nobis pacem.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 10:21 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #31 from John Farrell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace to all this Christmas and a Happy New Year.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 25, 2003 10:57 PM by John Farrell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #32 from David Goldfarb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terra pax hominbus bonae voluntatis.</p>

<p>(And I mean "bonae voluntatis" not "bona voluntas".)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 26, 2003  5:44 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #33 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ther is no rose of swych vertu<br />
As is the rose that bare Jhesu;<br />
Alleluya.</p>

<p>Ezechielis porta clausa per transitor;<br />
Unde lux est orta, sallus invenitor.</p>

<p>And, original stuff that's been set to music:</p>

<p>Old Sun is gone.  His fading light<br />
Is swallowed by the Solstice Night.</p>

<p>[verses]</p>

<p>The Sun is born.  Behold: the night<br />
Is driven forth by brilliant Light.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 26, 2003  7:46 AM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #34 from James</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditional:</p>

<p>Hodie Chirstus natus est; hodie salvator apparuit.  In terra canunt angeli, laetantur archangeli.  Hodie exultent iusti, dicentes, Gloria in excelsis Deo.</p>

<p>Modern:</p>

<p>"When he is king, we will give him the kings' gifts,<br />
Myrrh for its sweetness and gold for a crown,<br />
Beautiful robes", said the young girl to Joseph,<br />
Fair with her firstborn on Bethlehem down.</p>

<p>Bethlehem down is full of the starlight,<br />
Winds for the spices and stars for the gold,<br />
Mary for warmth, and for lullaby music<br />
Songs of a shepherd by Bethlehem fold.</p>

<p>When he is king, they will clothe him in gravesheets,<br />
Myrrh for embalming and thorns for a crown:<br />
He who lies now in the white arms of Mary,<br />
Sleeping so softly on Bethlehem down.</p>

<p>Now he has peace, and a short while for dreaming,<br />
Close-huddled oxen to keep him from cold,<br />
Mary for love, and for lullaby music<br />
Songs of a shepherd by Bethlehem fold.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 26, 2003  1:46 PM by James&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #35 from Ken MacLeod</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>One for the carpenter</strong></p>

<p>Happy birthday to you,<br />
Josh Davidson! Whoever you were, you<br />
could never be nailed,<br />
planed, sanded, dove-tailed<br />
to cross or crib.<br />
Joiner, leader, agitator, king;<br />
teller and told in contrary<br />
stories; healer with a sword -<br />
here's a word in your ear:<br />
I wish you Merry Christmas<br />
and a Happy New Year.</p>

<p>Two thousand and three<br />
candles and counting:<br />
we can stop holding our breath:</p>

<p>you're not coming back.<br />
But you're still here, walking<br />
in writing on water,<br />
in vexed texts talking<br />
at cross purposes.</p>

<p>Against the rough<br />
places, still not smooth,<br />
the high places, still not low<br />
still Mary's hand lights your candle: blow.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 27, 2003  8:44 PM by Ken MacLeod&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #36 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gobsmacked.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 27, 2003  9:24 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #37 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to quibble with such an awe-inspiringly good poem (and I mean that), but wouldn't he be Josh Josephson?  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2003 12:57 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #38 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher --</p>

<p>Note that the music is things like 'Hosannah to the Son of David', not 'Hosannah to the Son of Joseph'.  Metatheopolitically, Jesus is the heir of King David, not the heir of his carpenter dad.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2003  2:02 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #39 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who's had over 200 poems published, I am professionally impressed by Ken MacLeod's poem.</p>

<p>As to whether Yeshua ben Yusef, a.k.a. Jesus, is more properly Davidson or Josephson, consider that David is, for good cause, the most common name in the Bible:</p>

<p>Michael Hutching, using the software program Godspeed, found that the word GOD appears exactly 4444 times in the King James version. </p>

<p>(Hans Havermann reported a concordance-based word count shows GOD occurring 4447 times. Philip Bennett resolved the discrepancy when he discovered that in the software search, GOD-WARD, which occurs three times in the KJV, is indexed as a separate word (three times), whereas in the concordance search, GOD-WARD is broken down into two separate words: GOD and WARD. These counts do not include occurrences of gods (244), ungodly (27), godly (15), God's (26) Godliness (15), goddess (5), ungodliness (4), Godhead (3), and Gudgodah (2). The 4447 number includes the word in the title in Psalm 90, "A Prayer of Moses the man of God"; the title does not appear in the Project Gutenberg version.) </p>

<p>LORD occurs 7,836 times in the Bible. In addition, LORD'S occurs 134 times, LORDS 42 times, LORDSHIP occurs twice, and LORDLY occurs once [Philip Bennett]. </p>

<p>The most commonly occurring name in the Bible is DAVID, which occurs 1,085 times. David's occurs 54 times [Philip Bennett]. </p>

<p>The second most commonly occurring name is JESUS, which occurs 973 times. There are an additional 10 occurrences of JESUS'; there is one occurrence of BARJESUS. </p>

<p>The third most commonly occurring name is MOSES, which occurs 829 times. Moses' occurs 19 times [Philip Bennett]. </p>

<p>[Much of the material for this page was contributed by Philip Bennett, who maintains a website titled My Bible Facts at http://communities.msn.co.uk/MyBibleFacts.] </p>

<p>Also on Ken MacLeod, connecting this with another thread, I recall with delight a long conversation I had with him at the worldcon in Glasgow.  I was particularly impressed by his invention of the term "fractal balkanization."  The following night, I had a vivid dream about fractal balkanization.  Nanotechnology had led to universal matter-synthesizers that could make, based on software templates, anything (given the raw materials from, for instance, dirt).  So almost nothing needed to be imported anywhere, and every community seceeded, de facto, from what once contained it.</p>

<p>The dream had me waking up and attending a meeting of the neighborhood council.  "Okay," asked the presider, "who's the smartest one here this morning?"</p>

<p>"I am," said one.  "The nanos did something clever in my brain last night.  My IQ tested this morning at 330.  I'm really flying!"</p>

<p>"Good," said the presider.  "Now here's my plan..."</p>]]>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #40 from badri</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...the dream had me waking up and attending a meeting of the neighborhood council. "Okay," asked the presider, "who's the smartest one here this morning?"<br />
"I am," said one. "The nanos did something clever in my brain last night. My IQ tested this morning at 330. I'm really flying!"...<br />
"Good," said the presider. "Now here's my plan..."<br />
LOL . love this . who ever said left does not have humor.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2003  3:30 PM by badri&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #41 from Rivka Wald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For so the children come<br />
And so they have been coming.<br />
Always in the same way they come<br />
born of the seed of man and woman.<br />
No angels herald their beginnings.<br />
No prophets predict their future courses.<br />
No wisemen see a star to show where to <br />
find the babe that will save human kind.</p>

<p>Yet each night a child is born is a holy night,<br />
Fathers and mothers--<br />
sitting beside their children92s cribs feel <br />
glory in the sight of a new life beginning.<br />
They ask, 93Where and how will this <br />
new life end? Or will it ever end?94<br />
Each night a child is born is a holy night--<br />
A time for singing,<br />
A time for wondering.<br />
A time for worshiping.<br />
--Sophia Lyon Fahs<br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>Christmas, 2003 -- comment #42 from eyelessgame</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2004  9:00 PM by eyelessgame&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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