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      <description>1. Be of good cheer. If that means not watching the news, don't watch it. 2. Polls. Don't trust them....</description>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #1 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on 29.Oct.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I'm switching my 'home' page to Making Light for the duration. It's too depressing even reading the headlines......</p>

<p>Doing my best to be of good cheer... </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:12 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #2 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Tegan Goddard (http://politicalwire.com/)</p>

<p>pointed out the following:</p>

<p>http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/29/tracking.poll/</p>

<p>Bush was claimed by the polls to be AHEAD by 7 points at the end of October 2000.</p>

<p>John Zogby on The Daily Show last night thought Kerry will win because the undecideds will wind up not voting for Bush.</p>

<p>I have mixed feelings about bin Laden showing up just now.  On the one hand, his being alive and well demonstrates a major failure of the Bush administration. On the other hand, he was much harder on Bush than on Kerry in his talk.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:24 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #3 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right about avoiding the news if it makes you angry. This afternoon, I found myself cursing at the radio (NPR) as I was driving over to the local pan-Asian megamart for my monthly dose of frozen dumplings.</p>

<p>I changed over to the jazz station and suddenly the world was a better place.</p>

<p>Must! Think! Happy! Thoughts!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:27 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #4 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bin Laden referenced _My Pet Goat_ in his rant.</p>

<p>This will tick off Bush no end. He hates it when people lord it over him with all the books they've read.</p>

<p>* * *</p>

<p>I'm looking forward to video footage of the concession speech, in which a ballroom of terrified Republicans watch Karl Rove shed his human form and curse out Bush for failing him before disappearing in a cloud of black smoke and gnats.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:34 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #5 from Kate Nepveu</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An LJ community, <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=la_la_la_2004" rel="nofollow">la_la_la_2004</a>, has sprung up for fanfic as pre-election stress relief.</p>

<p>It came to my attention because of "Francis Crawford of Lymond, (Zombie) Master of Culter" (<a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/la_la_la_2004/3184.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>). I thought some people here might be amused by it.</p>

<p>(PS: I am very sorry that spammers suck. Is there anything we can do?)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:43 PM by Kate Nepveu&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #6 from shadowsong</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, did something change since i was last paying attention? as far as i know, the draft would be disastrous for the military - they need skilled, trained soldiers, not unwilling conscripts who have no idea what's going on. since they don't have enough skilled soldiers as it is, taking some of them out of the field to train draftees who will take way too long to learn the specialized skills that are currently needed seems counterproductive at best.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:44 PM by shadowsong&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy! Did the MT filter get turned off?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:45 PM by Larry Brennan sees a deluge of pr0n spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #8 from Andrew Willett</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They must be referencing domains the filter doesn't (yet) know to refuse. Jebus, don't these people have anything better to do?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:51 PM by Andrew Willett&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #9 from Ulrika</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even polls have reasons to be of good cheer.  Both <a href="http://www.mydd.com/" rel="nofollow">MyDD</a> and <a href="http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/" rel="nofollow">Donkey Rising</a> tend to have poll stuff that I find very bracing.  I think it was MyDD that had the post about CBS having squelched a poll that showed Kerry up by on the order of 4-9 points in Florida because the claim was that it wasn't plausible that Kerry could be leading by that much.  Ho.  We will overcome, baby.</p>

<p>I think I'm gonna make me a compilation disc of cheerful, danceable, inspirational tunes for the Election.  I'll start with Londonbeat's "Build it With Love," and Bruce Hornsby's fine, fine version of "Gonna Be Some Changes Made."  Probably some Jackson Browne. Any other suggestions?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:53 PM by Ulrika&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #10 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Karl Rove as afrit?</i></p>

<p>Nope. That's way too subtle for this crowd. He'll peel off his mask to reveal a lizard face, and some small child in the crowd will exclaim, "He's a <a href="http://www.movieprop.com/V/originalvisitorcharacter.htm" rel="nofollow">V!</a>"</p>

<p>--<br />
Must! Do! Wonderful! Things!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004  7:58 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #11 from julia</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, I handled the pizza and softdrink concession at the PS# halloween dance. </p>

<p>Now all the mommies can relieve their stress by talking heatedly about who the hell buys their ten or eleven year old thigh high patent leather boots and drops them off at a party and leaves.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004 11:33 PM by julia&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #12 from PZ Myers</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've got happy plans in mind. Election day I'm going to be hittin' the town, helping to drive voters to the polls.</p>

<p>Election night, I'm either going to be dancing in the streets, or making my travel plans. I've got a stash of <a href="http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/betting_on_the_election/" rel="nofollow">dead rats</a> stockpiled in the lab freezer. Either way, I've got a purpose.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004 11:35 PM by PZ Myers&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #13 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My respite from obsessing over campaign news:</p>

<p>Our testing group at work had a "get to know us" open house today. We each ran Halloween games, like "Guess whose face is on this pumpkin" and a ring toss matching products and features.</p>

<p>I did pumpkin bowling. Pick one of four pumpkins, roll it at a set of plastic Hallowe'en goblets, get candy and plastic bugs.</p>

<p>What I like most: I managed to give away the bowling set, and the three bales of hay used as a bumper, right after we shut down. All I had to bring home was a bowl of candy, and I recall hat there's an accepted way of getting rid of such around this time of year.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 29, 2004 11:52 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #14 from Claude Muncey</title>
         <description>comment from Claude Muncey on 30.Oct.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm still at work with some of the team, trying to fix something that should have worked before now.  We just came back from dinner, and maybe things are working better.  Sort of what I am hoping for Tuesday night.</p>

<p>Back in the deep dark mists of primordial time (say mid 80's) I worked a couple of years in a political campaign organization, doing demographic, electoral, and polling analysis.  To put it technically, I think the polls are completely whacked out this year -- most of the polling organizations somehow still expect that people will go back to voting like they did in 1988, or 1992 or 1996.  The actual voting patterns were very different than expected in 2000 and this year is like nothing I've seen since 1976.  I can spin you scenarios that have everyone but Nader winning and make rational arguments for each. I really don't think we know enough at this point -- we are moving into that part of the campaign where events move faster than the pollsters can capture.  Ignore the polls, for as of this evening they have become meaningless.</p>

<p>Well, things look good around here so far.  We have a couple of more runs before catching some sleep before starting fresh tomorrow.  Starting fresh in the morning is something I am looking forward to next Wednesday, as well.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:22 AM by Claude Muncey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #15 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like William Gibsons analysis of the OBL tape, and what it means for the lection:</p>

<p>http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/blog.asp</p>

<p>(Friday, 29th entry)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:24 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #16 from Jim</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some fun with Dave Leip's Electoral College Calculator.</p>

<p>I started with Prof. Pollkatz's state-by-state projection of 287-251 Kerry over Bush. Pollkatz gives percentages for each state that are averaged over several polls, and includes the correlation between polls in different states.</p>

<p>I then asked "What if all polls are off by 1% in Bush's favor?" and the elction goes to Kerry 291 to 247.</p>

<p>If all polls are off by 2% in Bush's favor? Kerry by 327 to 211!</p>

<p>Now, do I believe that the polls are biased pro-bush by about 2%? Yes - they were at least that bad last time!</p>

<p>Are they be off by more than 2%? I think so, given <br />
* The enormous crowds Kerry has been pulling in, given <br />
* The heavily Democratic edge in new-voter registrations<br />
* The strong incentives for African-American and young voters to turn out (and both are disproportionatly Kerry supporters) and<br />
* The general energy level of the Pro-Kerry and Anti-Bush camps.</p>

<p>I am optimistic - I think Kerry will have 300+ electoral votes, and that his victory will servive the frivolous legal challenges that are Rove's MO, and the attempts of 5/9ths of the Supremes to repeat their performance of 2000.</p>

<p>Yes, let us be of good cheer!<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:28 AM by Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #17 from Ross Smith</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it this way:</p>

<p>All that's required for Kerry to win is for the Bush regime to turn out to be every bit as competent at rigging elections as they are at everything else.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:44 AM by Ross Smith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #18 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross may have it right, if <a href="http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/10042113.htm?1c" rel="nofollow">this</a> example from Ohio is accurate.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  3:39 AM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #19 from Lucy Kemnitzer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's also not too late to do stuff.  MoveOn is organizing people to go to swing states for last-minute canvassing.  It turns out California is surrounded by swing states.  I'm not up to all that driving so I'm just doing phone help, and having a "phone party" election day to help get out the vote.</p>

<p>And after Inauguration ther will still be plenty to do -- I anyway will still be in the opposition -- because Kerry's still just a right-wing Democrat, and he'll need goading to do the right thing ever.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  4:09 AM by Lucy Kemnitzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  5:14 AM by Gessi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos bin Laden's re-appearance, just colour me glad I'm not a gambling man -- my money was on acute renal failure and an unmarked grave near Tora Bora.</p>

<p>By the way, what day is your election? I know it's some time real soon now -- in the next week -- but I'm vague on the specifics. Everybody who talks about it always seems to assume everyone <i>knows</i> when the election is due.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  5:55 AM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #22 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, it's Tuesday, November 2.  Here in Pennsylvania, voting runs from 7am-8pm EST.  My polling place is across the street.  I plan to go first thing in the morning.</p>

<p>If there is a big line even then (usually, there's about 5-10 people in line when I get there), and particularly if there are a lot of young people in line (I live in a mostly Republican suburb), the election will look very good for Kerry at that point.  Younger people are generally voting for Kerry.</p>

<p>Like Charlie, I did think that bin Laden died in Tora Bora.  There hadn't been a definitively dated video of him since late 2001.  The audio tapes released since then could have been made by one of his many brothers.  But it looks like it was him all along.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  6:44 AM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #23 from Leslie Turek</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7. Get Out the Vote! Drive to a swing state and canvass. Go to your local Kerry headquarters and make calls. Or make calls at home using lists from calls.johnkerry.com or actforvictory.org. Or volunteer or donate at electionprotection.org. Do something.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  7:49 AM by Leslie Turek&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #24 from Chris S.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About polls:</p>

<p>We recently had a federal election here in Canada.  Afterwards, when the result was not what the polls had predicted*, people began to phone and write in, to say they'd deliberately lied when polled.  One person said he lied because he wanted the Conservatives to think they were going to win, and then lose. Twisted civic humour at its best. Interestingly enough, the news story was THAT the polls were off, not WHY.</p>

<p><br />
*the polls predicted a Conservative government, by a small minority. Instead, the Liberal party won - a minority government, true, but but a much larger minority. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:51 AM by Chris S.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #25 from Chad Orzel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We recently had a federal election here in Canada. Afterwards, when the result was not what the polls had predicted*, people began to phone and write in, to say they'd deliberately lied when polled. </i></p>

<p>Mike Royko was ahead of his time, it seems...</p>

<p>(He wrote a great column back in '84 (IIRC) urging people to lie to an exit pollster, on the grounds that it would be hliarious to see the faces of the news anchors when the real results came in, and a useful correction to media arrogance. He probably would've enjoyed Election Day 2000, but not so much the eventual result.)<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 11:28 AM by Chad Orzel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Stross:</p>

<p>as The Onion comments:</p>

<p>Republicans Urge Minorities To Get Out And Vote On Nov. 3</p>

<p>"MIAMI, FL—With the knowledge that the minority vote will be crucial in the upcoming presidential election, Republican Party officials are urging blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities to make their presence felt at the polls on Wednesday, Nov. 3."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 11:28 AM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm curious - what is Patrick referring to when he says that dodging to Canada won't work this time?  Is there a specific law which allows for, say, extradition?  Or is it just that customs will tighten the border so people simply can't get across easily?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 11:58 AM by Sarah&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.irosf.com/q/zine/article/10092" rel="nofollow">Politics in Science Fiction</a><br />
by John Frost<br />
Internet Review Of Science Fiction<br />
Vol I, No. 10 (November, 2004)<br />
[free registration required]</p>

<p>"As I write this, the campaign season here in the United States is drawing to a close. For most of the month this issue is live, it will all be over, and thank goodness for that. No matter what the outcome, I think the nation will be relieved to be free from the onslaught of increasingly shrill noise from all candidates, presidential and otherwise...."</p>

<p>And also from the current Onion:</p>

<p>Study: 100 Percent Of Americans Lead Secret Lives</p>

<p>"BERKELEY, CA—A study released Monday by the University of California-Berkeley shows that 100 percent of Americans fail to disclose the full truth about what they think and do in private."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:08 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I wondered about that myself, what with a very unguarded border between the US and Canada for the most part.  Also, the fact that the language is pretty much the same.</p>

<p>Now it is fairly hard, as I understand, for a US citizen to get a good-paying, documented job in Canada, but that's a separate issue.</p>

<p>Plenty of good news on the Kerry front today, including a note that most major Florida papers are endorsing Kerry and numbers from early voting in Florida show a Kerry lead.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:10 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Draft: yeah, I think it's possible. The "stop-loss" order is currently forcing people in the military to stay beyond their original enlistment.</p>

<p>http://www.lewrockwell.com/wiggins/wiggins7.html</p>

<p>That can only go on so long before morale goes in the toilet. With no end in sight in Iraq, that means stop-loss could extend peoples' enlistments by two, three, four years. At some point, volunteers will plummet because kids will be afraid of signing up for a two year enlistment and having to stay on for four years or more.</p>

<p>Bush currently has no exit strategy in Iraq, which is a polite way of saying we're in a bloody quagmire with no end in sight.</p>

<p>As support for the war drops, and as volunteer enlistees dwindle, the only solution to maintain a hundred thousand plus troop commitment in Iraq will be a draft.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:14 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an added dose of good cheer, I recommend Hunter S. Thompson's <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575?&rnd=1098394261180&has-player=true" rel="nofollow"><br />
recent piece in Rolling Stone</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:16 PM by Keith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing...</p>

<p>I visited with my sister in-law last weekend, home from Iraq on R&R. She says every  soldier she's talked to, (especially the ones under her command) are voting for Kerry. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:19 PM by Keith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that running to Canada won't work is that several laws and agreements have been enacted in the meantime to make it more difficult.  Among other things: the border is less permeable.  You're not going to be able to pile a bunch of boys (and girls, this time) in a car and say "we're going to spend a week in Banff,"   and then just never come back.  </p>

<p>They've also changed the draft age -- it's through 35 now, not 25 -- something that hit me because my son is 25, meaning that come April, I'll have two of them eligible for the draft if it is made live.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 12:37 PM by Lucy Kemnitzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy, I undrstand that, but the border is still very permeable.  It's way easier for an American to pass as a Canadian in Canada, than it is, say, for Mexicans to pass as Americans in America.  Yet there are still loads of illegal aliens from Mexico in America.</p>

<p>Be sure to read today's New York Times editorial:  "GOP to Poor:  Don't Vote," about Senator Christopher Bond (R-Missouri, of course) and his fight to not allow voting registration in publica housing...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  3:53 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't dodge the draft, <a href="https://www4.sss.gov/localboardmembers/bminquiry.asp" rel="nofollow">take over the draft</a>. You can determine who stays and goes, try to save as many as you can.</p>

<p>No name for obvious reasons.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  4:23 PM by anon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm betting that Kerry will win, not just because of Ross Smith's strong argument, but because of the number of people who would normally vote for a Republican or not vote who are voting for Kerry instead. </p>

<p>Ok, I don't have actual numbers, just news articles that seem to have an extraordinary number of cross-overs, and more of them towards Kerry than Bush.</p>

<p>My impression of the OBL speech is that the underlying message is, "Don't pay attention to those other two guys. Look at MEEEEE!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  4:30 PM by Nancy Lebovitz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-Rove- is sophisticated... and millions of people have been taken in by his sleazy slimy scuzzy tactics.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  4:47 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie --</p>

<p>It's almost impossible for an American to pass as a Canadian.</p>

<p>From what I've been told, that was true during Vietnam, too.</p>

<p>The difference between now and then is that it's nearly free for the Canadian government to agree to 'close the loophole'; there is effectively no sympathy in Canadian public opinion for Bush's wars, or an American experience of negative consequences from them, the current minority government is under considerable pressure from the our fruitbat neocon politicians to 'improve relations with the US', and various ministers keep acting as though the present US government is being actively threatening in bilateral talks, so it doesn't look to Canadian public opinion as though the government really has all that much choice.  (And absolutely no one has any expectation of fair dealing from this American gov't; there's getting to be a significant degree of grudge about that.)</p>

<p>Plus, the people who had a large emotional involvement in the Canadian conscription issue in the Second World War are now mostly dead, rather than involved in a 'sovereignity for Quebec' movement that the Canadian government of the time was trying very hard to decomplexify, rather than doing something that would give it moral standing.</p>

<p>Nothing like the same situation, and very hard to predict where eventual political sympathies would go.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  4:56 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #39 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon, you're talking government to government.</p>

<p>I'm talking person to person.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  6:04 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #40 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie --</p>

<p>The Canadian snipers who got Bronze Stars from the US for their service in Afghanistan have left the Canadian Forces.  They were unable to cope with the degree of hostility they were meeting from their fellow special forces types over 'co-operating too closely with the Americans'.  (this was minor newspaper news a couple-three weeks back in the free daily commuter broadsheets in Toronto.)</p>

<p>There really isn't a whole lot of generic individual level sympathy, outside of pre-existing relationships.  That's one of the reasons there's minimal political cost to the Martin government over closing those loopholes.</p>

<p>Right now, there's a plausible claim of 'we didn't vote for him'; take that away and there will be a rapid swing in opinion and (I think) a hardening of positions.</p>

<p>Arar got a <b>lot</b> of air time up here; so did the requirement for the inquiry to, in effect, not say anything bad about the US.  It's been widely taken as an admission of guilt -- that the US will torture Canadians as a matter of policy and sees nothing wrong with this.</p>

<p>There's been a substantial opinion swing in consequence.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  7:25 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon, I'm not clear on why you think that would make it harder for American draft dodgers to hide out in Canada. From what you've been saying, it sounds as though Canadians are likely to be <b>more</b> sympathetic to draft dodgers now than they were in the 1960s, not less.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:02 PM by Ross Smith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #42 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Ross said.</p>

<p>When I was at Torcon, I met up with a cousin who was a draft-dodger in the late '60s.  It was a fascinating discussion.  I as much as told him that if the 2004 election wound up badly, I'd be tempted to join him!  He didn't discourage that idea.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:06 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #43 from Madeleine Robins</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have worked, phoned, signed petitions, sent money, written emails, and I'm going to vote first thing on Tuesday morning.</p>

<p>Then, I think, I'm going to spend Tuesday night (after my fencing class) watching <b>Mr. Smith Goes to Washington</b>.  Sitting and watching the returns come in just feels like picking away at the gigantic National Scab.  I hope you won't think the worse of me for it.  My brain is in overload.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:06 PM by Madeleine Robins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know what effect the OBL video is going to have, but for what it's worth, at least I <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/mmcirvin/164633.html#cutid1" rel="nofollow">banged out my best talking point.</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:10 PM by Matt McIrvin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #45 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The osama-bin-laden tape fits perfectly with Bush's strategy: a war with no specific goals to win or lose and nothing to easily guage whether we're making progress, spinning our wheels, or losing ground.</p>

<p>The OBL tape pushes terrorism to the forefront and will nudge some people to vote based on fear, and fear means refusing to acknowledge any past mistakes, which plays perfectly into W's hands.</p>

<p>If I was trying to get Bush re-elected, and I happen to have OBL on ice in a prison cell somewhere, I wouldn't parade him out and say "look who we just captured", I'd force him to make a fake video of vague threats to the US and air them a week or so before Nov 2.</p>

<p>If this was planned, it would be stunningly brilliant and pure evil in one fell swoop.</p>

<p> </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:23 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, personally, I think Kerry will win.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:24 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeline, I'm going to find some nice fantasy movie like LoTR to watch That is, if I can't find the concentration to move my newest novel idea down the road.  That takes first priority, I have an outline to work from and everything.  Either way, I'm gonna vote, then go lalalalalalalala until it's all over.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:25 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Osama wants Bush elected:</p>

<p>Bush's face is on al Qaeda recruiting posters all over the world with the words "I want YOU to join the international jihad!" </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:29 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to counter what Graydon says: If Bush wins, I'm perfectly willing to see friends from North Dakota and Minnesota (Or further away, but that's where I know the most people) stop by. And stay a while.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004  9:38 PM by Lenora Rose&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 30.Oct.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the draft (and if you're age 18 to 35 (45 if you're a medical professional), or if you have kids age 14 and up, you need to be thinking about this:</p>

<p>We can't sustain the current force levels, in Iraq and elsewhere, for any kind of long term.  We're already seeing the effects of this (and remember that Army Chief of Staff <a href="http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/consequences/2003/0228pentagoncontra.htm" rel="nofollow">General Shinseki</a> warned against "a 12-division strategy with a 10-division army" before he got booted by Bush and Rumsfeld.)</p>

<p>Training commands, reserves, and National Guard are being stripped to be sent to Iraq.  We're drawing down strength in other areas to send troops to Iraq.  Now note <a href="http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBMGFBXX0E.html" rel="nofollow">Army has extended Iraq tours for 6,500 soldiers</a> and  <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E6439%257E2430982,00.html" rel="nofollow">DeGette raises draft fears, re-enlistment "ultimatums"</a>.</p>

<blockquote><i>"She</i> [Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Colorado] <i>called for a congressional probe into reports that Army commanders told Iraq veterans at Fort Carson and elsewhere to re-enlist or face possible transfers to Iraq-bound units.</i></blockquote>

<p>Now it's true that a conscript might not be as motivated as a volunteer, but when what you want is boots on the ground, an 18-year-old conscript fills those boots as well or better than a fifty-year-old reservist.</p>

<p>Indefinite war, with undefined victory conditions, against an amorphous foe, is what Bush is offering.  That's a guarantee that the draft will return.  Those of us who remember the draft don't think it's a good idea.  But -- Bush and Cheney both avoided the draft, so they don't know that.</p>

<p>Vote on Tuesday, guys and gals.  Vote so that you'll only go into the Army if you want to.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 10:12 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoth Paula: <i>Madeline, I'm going to find some nice fantasy movie like LoTR to watch</i></p>

<p>I think I'll probably pop in a few <i>Farscape</i> DVD's, possibly have a little too much bourbon and make it an early night. I'll also be de-stressing after a telephone job interview, so I guess my wastrelness will be doubly justified.</p>

<p>--</p>

<p>From the happy helmet:</p>

<p>Must! Iron! Stimpy's! Shorts!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 10:26 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning I walked a precinct in San Jose. It was great to head down to the union hall and see the parking lot full because of all the volunteers. There are more <a href="http://www.santaclaracountyforkerry.com/precinct.html" rel="nofollow">precinct and GOTV activities</a> tomorrow. Yeah, I know that California is not exactly in play, but the popular vote matters, and there are some important local races and state-wide propositions. And it really feels good to get out and talk with people. One gentleman told me he is registered Republican, but he is so disappointed in Bush, he is voting a Democratic straight ticket. </p>

<p>For all the people in other areas, if you would like to do some last minute volunteering, the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" rel="nofollow">John Kerry web site</a> has a form where you can look up events within 25 miles of a given zip code. There is plenty of phone banking going on, and what looks like some good election night parties. Have fun!<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 30, 2004 10:30 PM by TomB&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #53 from M@</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure what Canada's extradition laws were like during the Vietnam war, but right now, they force Canadian officials to extradite charged foreigners at the request of the other country's officials unless the person will be persecuted by his country back home. </p>

<p>Note that I said persecuted, not prosecuted. Examples of persecution are maltreatment of political or ethnic minorities. One exception is that Canada does not typically extradite people without getting guarantees that the other country will not put the person to death, since our country does not support the death penalty in any way (not that we don't sometimes feel like it would be a good idea...)</p>

<p>Anyhow, it seems likely that draft dodgers, if detected, would be sent back to the US.</p>

<p>I worked with one draft dodger from last time, and he said he came to Canada and lived for a couple of years on a commune, and then worked for a very liberal literary press.</p>

<p>My point is, it probably wasn't that easy to get a legitimate job then, and it won't be now. But there are people who will run to Canada and I'm sure many of them will get by.</p>

<p>I don't think many Canadians would even consider turning them in. Unless, of course, it would bring back hockey.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 12:46 AM by M@&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula, Larry--thanks.  I've been feeling like, if I turn my brain off and go Lalalalala, Kerry will lose and it will all be My Fault.  I suppose I'm overreacting.</p>

<p>I also have to go over -all- my votes before Tuesday.  Here in San Francisco we've got a really important School Board election (yeah, I know it's not the fate of the western world, but it is the fate of my school-age-children's education) and a bewildering array of local and statewide propositions.  I need a crib sheet to keep track of them all.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 12:47 AM by Madeleine Robins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the last time I looked, resident aliens aren't allowed to vote but *are* subject to the draft.</p>

<p>The last time I mentioned this in public, a bunch of right-wingers informed me how stupid I was to think that there would ever be a draft in this country again.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  1:18 AM by Julia Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #56 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine - You do know that you can mark up your sample ballot and take it with you to your polling station.</p>

<p>Hmmm, a hot school board election in the city. I wonder if Starchild is running? He/she/it seems to run for everything.</p>

<p>In my neck of the woods (Peninsula), there's some noise about the Hospital Board, a body I was blissfully unaware of until I started seeing lawn signs for various candidates. Voting is <i>hard work</i>.</p>

<p>--<br />
The latest from the Happy Helmet:<br />
Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  2:48 AM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #57 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm watching ROTK just now - nothing like reminders about being attacked by the forces of darkness to get you moving!</p>

<p>I keep running into letters from soldiers, particularly National Guard troops, begging people to vote for Kerry.  One Guardsman worked with people at my office last year, and he sent a very impassioned letter about the general hopelessness of the situation.  I think Kerry's reminding people about our currently having a "backdoor draft" is important.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  6:10 AM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #58 from Epacris</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from Canada recently having a federal election, Australia had one on October 9th (same day as the Afghan presidential one).  Right up to the day, most of the polls had the two sides very close together, but with an undecided group much larger than usual.</p>

<p>Because attending the polling booth & depositing a ballot (marked bits of paper, put in a cardboard box) is compulsory, many who in other countries might stay undecided & stay away, turn up and finally mark a ballot (rather than just put in a blank one).  Whether it was the undecided people, or others who misled the askers-of-questions, when the votes were tallied, there was a very big win for the (incumbent) forces of conservatism (Liberal Party), with Labor percentages going down.</p>

<p>So who does know whether the polling is a reasonable guide?</p>

<p>Nevertheless, I am trying to turn away from my natural pessimism to think positive thoughts for the world, in the hope that this, and the thoughts of many others, may create some kind of morphic field -- and my best hopes for Teresa's sore head (ditto).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  6:59 AM by Epacris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #59 from Vicki</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A coworker of mine, who I talk to on the train to work, is a first-generation immigrant from Russia. The other morning she was asking me what, legally, it would take for the US to reinstate the draft. So I was explaining that a bill can get through Congress quickly, if/when the party in control wants it to, and the existing Selective Service registration. In the course of the conversation, she said something that resonated with me: "I have a brother."</p>

<p>They probably won't draft her--the GOP base probably wouldn't go for drafting women--but she's thinking what millions of women, and older men, were thinking during the Vietnam War: even if she's safe, someone she loves would likely be swept up and sent off to die in a pointless war.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  8:07 AM by Vicki&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #60 from Nancy Lebovitz</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point about OBL--every account of that video says that he looks calm and happy. It might just be acting, but a happy OBL was *not* the purpose of a whole bunch of security running around and two wars.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  9:20 AM by Nancy Lebovitz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #61 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Indefinite war, with undefined victory conditions, against an amorphous foe, is what Bush is offering.</i></p>

<p>It's actually an interesting recipe of psychological ramifications. </p>

<p>indefinite war:</p>

<p>War keeps the voters focused on the war and causes them to glaze over any problems that may be occuring domestically. When the psychology is "the enemy is at the gate", you don't get too worked up that unemployment is getting worse, the economy sucks, and other such trivialities. If you're in office and smart about it, you blame all the domestic problems on the enemy. "Things would be better if it hadn't been for THEM".</p>

<p>amorphous foe: </p>

<p>As long as the enemy is unseen, undefined, unknown, it cannot be killed, and fear can make it bigger than it is. This is a standard approach for horror movies because it taps into the psychological fears of its viewers to conjur their worst fear, rather than trying to get the makeup department to do it for you. </p>

<p>undefined victory conditions: </p>

<p>We rolled into Baghdad in April of 2003. On May 1, 2003, Bush lands on an aircraft carrier (apparently making up some of his missing National Guard meetings), and declares "Mission Accomplished". With the occupation, the definition of success no longer hinged on the location of the "front lines".</p>

<p>The occupation has transformed the war into a daily report of an American soldier killed here, two marines killed there. As long as voters accept the deaths of two or three servicemen a day in exchange for no visible improvement in Iraq, Bush is on easy street. As long as Bush is held to no specific measure of whether things are getting better in Iraq, he can declare "mission accomplished: major combat operations are over", and who's to argue with him? He can sweep the one thousand americans killed in Iraq under the nice heading of "It's hard work".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 10:11 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #62 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60 men and women in America's military died in Iraq <br />
during the month of October 2004. You can see their<br />
names, faces, and how they died here:</p>

<p>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/2004.10.html</p>

<p>When you start reading the descriptions of how they<br />
were killed, you get a better sense of the war in<br />
Iraq. Improvised mines, sniper fire, enemy action, <br />
small arms fire. </p>

<p>This is the new Vietnam</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 10:42 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #63 from Madeleine Robins</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa, if you did not see yesterday's NYTimes Op-Ed page, you missed a piece called <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/opinion/30price.html" rel="nofollow">"Nader's Remainders,"</a> which posits a new way to attract voters: buy their remaindered books to give away at rallies!  Has Tor Marketing caught on to this?</p>

<p>Larry--I know I can bring a marked ballot...but I have to go over the wretched thing and remember why I'm voting which way on all the wretched props.  I'm a recent Californian, and about this time of year I start wondering if someone would like to propose a ballot initiative to do away with ballot  initiatives...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 11:55 AM by Madeleine Robins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #64 from TomB</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine, </p>

<p>I used to agonize over California ballot propositions. Then it came to me that if I couldn't figure out why I should vote yes, I could always vote no, and it wouldn't be the end of the world -- we can keep muddling through with the status quo. I usually vote yes on most propositions, but the deceptive or confusing (or confused) propositions deserve to be slapped down. </p>

<p>I would keep the initiative process, but the law should be changed to do away with paid signature gatherers. Initiatives were meant to be a counter to big money, not just another tool it can use. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 12:27 PM by TomB&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeline - My default proposition vote is the opposite of Tom's, vote No unless you understand what the thing is supposed to do and what it's impact is. And even if I agree with the intent, I still often vote no, because I beleive that too much of the state budget is pre-allocated by initiatives and that the state needs to reserve its borrowing capacity for real needs.</p>

<p>The only one I agonized over this year was the stem cell thing, until I realized that the only reason I supported it was that it was a poke in the eye to the Bushies and the fundies.</p>

<p>I refuse to sign any ballot petitions. I think the only one I would sign would be for a proposition to repeal the proposition process.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 12:44 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #66 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry I misspelled your name Madeleine. (Odds are I'd misspell your last name too.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004 12:46 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #67 from Madeleine Robins</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry--no apology needed.  Everyone misspells my name, including my kids.  It's Madeleine like the church and Proust's tea-cake, not Madeline like the little girl in the Old House in Paris that was Covered with Vines.  And yes, anyone who gets my first name right inevitably misspells the last.  At least I didn't take my husband's last name, which is not only difficult to spell, but apparently difficult to pronounce...</p>

<p>Larry and TomB--Having moved to California from NY two years ago, I still find the initiative thing a little bizarre.  The pre-allocation of money is part of it, but also, it makes me wonder what the state lawmakers are doing while all the initiative-makers are setting up laws?  (Rhetorical question.)  Not that NY State's system is any more sensible, it's just the one I know.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  2:36 PM by Madeleine Robins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine,</p>

<p>My wife is also named Madeleine. Her mother misspelled it Madeliene on her birth certificate. She stuck with the misspelling through the years until I married her and convinced her to correct it. Since my last name is Dimond I felt it was unfair for her to have more than one spelling hazard name.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  4:51 PM by Stuart&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #69 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine Robins:</p>

<p>Our state legislators are still getting used to being full-time, after a century of part-time fun. Then they got subject to term limits.  Then they were neck-and-neck with being as unpopular as the governor.  Now they have to suffer with being outmaneuvered by the popular Gubernator.  I almost feel sorry for them, except, of course, for the one convicted of racketeering and money laundering who bankrupted a friend of mine who allegedly defamed the criminal in a private email. EFF, bless their collective heart, considered defending my friend, but decided that it was not the precedent they wanted.  The courts figured that calling the crook a crook was okay, saying that he sexually molested his daughter was okay (that was public record in a divorce trial), but saying that the molestation was part of Satanic ritual might be defamation.  Go figure.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  5:06 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm tired of the obsession with Clark County (Ohio), by both local organizations, national parties, and the press....</p>

<p><br />
So far this weekend:<br />
- 4 phonebank calls for local/state level candidates<br />
- 2 phonebank calls about Ohio's Issue 1<br />
- 3 phonebank calls for Kerry, 2 phonebank calls for Bush<br />
- 2 in-person visits by GOTV teams<br />
- 1 request for comment by a local reporter while I walked thru the parking lot at the grocery store<br />
- 2 requests for comment by foreign reporters outside the local library.   ( Neither was from the Guardian, though. )</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  5:38 PM by Bill Blum&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulrika:</p>

<p>More music for you: </p>

<p>The Jackson Browne should clearly be "Lives in the Balance".<br />
Bruce Cockburn, "If I Had a Rocket Launcher".<br />
OysterBand or Billy Bragg, "Early Days of a Better Nation".<br />
Roy Bailey, "Stand Up for Judas". </p>

<p>I could go on, but everyone else here has ignored the possibilities....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  6:27 PM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you know you really shouldn't do things like that with me in the room.</p>

<p>(Well, no, it's not a feel-good disc, but you suggested "Rocket Launcher.")</p>

<p>Side A, for the Executive:<br />
Veracruz<br />
Detox Mansion<br />
Lawyers, Guns, and Money<br />
Splendid Isolation<br />
Even a Dog Can Shake Hands</p>

<p>Side B, for the Supporting Cast:<br />
The Envoy (goin' out to Colin Powell)<br />
Excitable Boy (for Dick Cheney)<br />
Long Arm of the Law (for John Ashcroft)<br />
Roland (for Contractors Everywhere)<br />
Jungle Work (for John O'Neill)<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  8:25 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now I am reminded of Dave Schow's observation in the endnotes to <i>Silver Scream:</i>  "Do you know how many ex-DJs are in this book?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  8:29 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulrika/Tom: Schoolhouse Rock, "Sufferin' till Suffrage".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  8:29 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Leonard Cohen's "Democracy" belongs on this playlist somewhere.</p>

<p>Spirit of the West's "Be Right", too.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  8:55 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever it's worth, I couldn't get online this evening until I'd cleared out a couple of messages on my voicemail (this is the usual thing; the dial tone "flashes" when there are new messages, and the modem doesn't like it) from the Republican Party.  This is also as usual -- we've received quite a number of phone messages from the Republican party, or otherwise urging us to vote Republican.  (Can they really think that urging me to vote my conscience or for family values will cause me to vote the way they'd like?)</p>

<p>The ones tonight were both were emphasizing that they desperately needed my vote.  I certainly do hope that they're right.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2004  9:11 PM by Brooks Moses&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulrika, Tom, Mike---<br />
My election run-up mix includes "The Country's in the Very Best of Hands" from L'il Abner (surprising how many of those songs are bright and fresh just now) and "Hey! John Ashcroft [Come and kiss my New York ass!]" from American Ambulance's All Over the Map.  Both very danceable, and if you dance free-form like I do, "Hey! John Ashcroft" can get really rude.<br />
Aside to Mike: Oh yeah, lots of Warren Zevon goin' down here too.  We loved your playlist and your dedications.  What, you haven't got one for Condi or Laura?<br />
Now I feel the need to put L'il Abner on again so I can dance to "Jubilation T. Cornpone"---this one's goin' out to YOU, Dubya!<br />
Hang tough and dance tough,<br />
         Janet </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 12:16 AM by JM Kagan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more song to add to the playlist:</p>

<p>Wes Carroll's <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/thatwesguy/44301.html" rel="nofollow">Jesus Loves You</a>.  Here's the <a href="http://www.mouthdrumming.com/mp3/Jesus%20Loves%20You%20(0927).mp3" rel="nofollow">direct MP3 link</a>.</p>

<p>Uses a non-worksafe word a few times ("asshole"), so mind your environment before playing it over the speakers.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 12:22 AM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's no need to worry about a Kerry victory. Because the Redskins <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041027/ap_on_el_pr/redskins___politics_1" rel="nofollow"> lost</a>. And as everyone knows, the Washington Redskins have proved to be a time-tested <a href="http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp" rel="nofollow"> election predictor</a> for 70 years. In the previous 15 elections, if the Washington Redskins have lost their last home game  before the election, the incumbent party has lost the White House. When they have won, the incumbent has stayed in power. But if you're still nervous, (because of random correlation and all) you can always <a href="http://www.needlenose.com/win04/vote.htm" rel="nofollow">visualize winning.</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  2:18 AM by Avery&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet -- well, I had "The French Inhaler" picked out for Condi, the opening lines in particular.  By the time I was ready to post I wasn't in quite that nasty a mood, I guess.</p>

<p>I suspect on Tuesday I will be up all night listenin' to Mohammed's radio rather than CNN, though.</p>

<p>Just checked the TCM schedule, and -- I am not joking -- they're showing "Dark Victory" at 8pm Eastern.  Followed by the Garbo "Camille," the one with Fritz Leiber, Jr. in a small role.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  3:39 AM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. My Election Day soundtrack has a lot of R.E.M. including Cuyahoga, Drive, Ignoreland and Welcome to the Occupation. Plus quite a bit of They Might Be Giants (esp. their cover of New York City), which I attribute to my inner unreconstructed nerd.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:08 AM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another few songs for the mix:</p>

<p>"Kick in the Ass", Moxy Fruvous<br />
"Here Today, Gone Tomorrow", The Ramones<br />
"Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo", Grateful Dead<br />
and of course, "The End" (The Beatles :-) . . .</p>

<p>That's my message for Election Day:<br />
"The love you take is equal to the love you make"</p>

<p>Have fun dancing! (Yes, me too)<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:14 AM by Bruce&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On sports as a predictor:  <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col/kaufman/2004/10/29/friday/index.html" rel="nofollow">Salon</a> notes that:<blockquote>Consider this: Every time the Boston Red Sox win the World Series in a presidential election year, Woodrow Wilson gets elected president. You can look it up.</blockquote></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  8:59 AM by Alex Cohen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Song:  "<a href="http://www.lauralove.net/mp3/gone-short.mp3" rel="nofollow">I Want You Gone</a>," by Laura Love.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 10:37 AM by Laura Roberts&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prophecy?  Saint Robert Zimmerman sayeth:</p>

<p>"The loser now will be later to win, for the times, they are a changin'..."</p>

<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2004/10/31/losing_it?pg=full" rel="nofollow">LOSING IT<br />
On Tuesday, either George W. Bush or John Kerry will go down to defeat. <br />
But in the long run, some observers are already suggesting, to the losing party may go the spoils.</a><br />
By Drake Bennett, Globe Staff  |  October 31, 2004<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 10:37 AM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James -- is it really 45 if you're a medical professional?  That's bad news -- my kid's a premed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  1:43 PM by Lucy Kemnitzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #87 from Ulrika</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks Tom, for kicking the music thread into gear.  I'm looking to do stuff that's more upbeat, anthemic, and/or danceable than not, but the suggestions have prompted me to think of some more.</p>

<p>From Bruce Cockburn, the fine instrumental "Actions Speak Louder," in honor of taking tomorrow off to do some GOTV work, both phone calls to Ohio and probably some on the ground work.  I mailed my absentee ballot Saturday, so the Tuesday is mine.  Also "The Gift," because in terms of being of good cheer in times of tribulation it sets the right note.  (For the lyrics, check <a href="http://www.things.org/music/bruce_cockburn/lyrics/big_circumstance.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>

<p>From Jackson Browne, I'm with you on on the choice of album, but I think I prefer "Til I Go Down" for its action-oriented attitude, and "Soldier of Plenty," for putting Dick Cheney and his Halliburton cronies on notice.</p>

<p>Must investigate "Early Days of a Better Nation," since I didn't even know it was a song...</p>

<p>Zevon, yes, there must be some Zevon.  I'm tempted by "Mr. Bad Example," in honor of the Preznit, but will cogitate further.</p>

<p>Of Moxy Fruvous tunes, I think I'll actually go for "King of Spain," in honor of our glorious Homeland Security folks managing to harass the crown prince, and his fiance, the major Spanish television anchor, and thus put additional sand in the gears of our relations with a putative ally in the war on terror(ism).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:20 PM by Ulrika&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, almost forgot.  Must dig up a copy of "The Hell of It" from <b>Phantom of the Paradise</b>.  And always good for washing bad guys out of one's hair: "Nothin' on Me," by Shawn Colvin.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:28 PM by Ulrika&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, "One Day More" from <em>Les Miserables</em>:</p>

<p>Enjolras:<br />
One more day before the storm!<br />
At the barricades of Freedom!<br />
When our ranks begin to form,<br />
Will you take your place with me?</p>

<p>Javert:<br />
One more day till revolution,<br />
We will nip it in the bud!<br />
I will join these little schoolboys,<br />
They will wet themselves with blood! </p>

<p>Various Students:<br />
One day to a new beginning<br />
Raise the flag of freedom high!<br />
Every man will be a king<br />
Every man will be a king<br />
There's a new world for the winning<br />
There's a new world to be won<br />
Do you hear the people sing?</p>

<p>Javert:<br />
One more day to revolution<br />
We will nip it in the bud<br />
We'll be ready for these schoolboys<br />
Tomorrow is the judgement day </p>

<p>All:<br />
Tomorrow we'll discover<br />
What our God in Heaven has in store!<br />
One more dawn<br />
One more day<br />
One day more!</p>

<p>[The curtain falls.]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:54 PM by Alex Cohen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: yeah, I find my self humming far too many Les Miz songs these days.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  4:58 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've bought the supplies and assembled the props for my usual Election Day Cookies deal.</p>

<p>Each lunchroom on the nCUBE campas will get:</p>

<p>A big basket of fancy jumbo cookies decorated with Stars n' Stripes party napkins.</p>

<p>A paper plate with a heap of vanilla wafers.</p>

<p>The baskets will have a sign reading:</p>

<p><b>COOKIES FOR VOTERS</b></p>

<p>The paper plates:</p>

<p><b>COOKIES FOR PEOPLE<br />
WHO COULD HAVE VOTED<br />
BUT DIDN'T</b></p>

<p>Non-citizens will be invited to have a fancy cookie, if they promise to fervently pray that this is all over quickly.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  6:01 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got your upbeat and <a href="http://www.deenasportfolio.com/sectionFolders/music/Donna_The_Buffalo/TheOnesYouLove.mp3" rel="nofollow">danceable</a>.<br />
Plenty of <a href="ftp://209.94.123.199/Audio/Donna/20030829/1-11MrKing.mp3" rel="nofollow">anthematic</a>, too, where<a href="http://www.donnabase.com/KSearch.cfmover" rel="nofollow"> that came from</a>.</p>

<p>But, you know me.  (I did find this <a href="http://www.messengerrecords.com/sounds/Bush_Must_Be_Defeated.mp3" rel="nofollow">Dan Bern link</a> that wasn't around last time I looked.) </p>

<p></p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  6:12 PM by Lenny Bailes&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep - be of good cheer:</p>

<p>Only four more hours of political advertising!!  Yea!  I'm so tired of hitting the mute button...</p>

<p>Laurie, from the<br />
swing state of Pennsylvania</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  7:49 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father, the distinguished magazine and book editor (including for Science Fiction by famous authors) has been a die-hard conservative Republican all his long life, as was his father, who owned a seat on the New York Stock Exchange.  My father happily voted for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush the Elder. I rarely agreed with him on matter of politics.</p>

<p>But here's what he had published in the Letters to the Editor column, The Standard-Times [Rhode Island], 28 October 2004:</p>

<p>"Three Strikes:</p>

<p>Iraq invasion: a WMD lie</p>

<p>Post invasion plan: a Vietnam quicksand</p>

<p>Homeland economy: a job-and-money hemorrhage</p>

<p>Three strikes, Bush... You're out!"</p>

<p>Samuel H. Post<br />
Wickford</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  8:27 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Be of good cheer"</p>

<p><i>And all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.</i></p>

<p>Sooner or later.  Hopefully sooner, starting tomorrow night.</p>

<p>Amen.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  8:28 PM by Leslie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVP - I'm always happy to hear of Republicans coming to their senses. His terse analysis is spot on.</p>

<p>For the intrepid, here are a few heartening photos:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.fotolog.net/signmaker/?photo_id=8849267" rel="nofollow">Good Doggie!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fotolog.net/shuggy/?photo_id=8850219" rel="nofollow">Mailboxes for Kerry</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fotolog.net/colorstalker/?photo_id=9094707" rel="nofollow">Flags (read the comments on this one)</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fotolog.net/pro_keds/?photo_id=8911969" rel="nofollow">Veterans for Kerry</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fotolog.net/parsnip/?photo_id=8908325" rel="nofollow">Crossing the bridge</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  8:58 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #97 from ElizabethVomMarlowe</title>
         <description>comment from ElizabethVomMarlowe on  1.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I have to share this.</p>

<p>It's "Goodle"--good news.  <br />
http://www.hallmundur.com/goodle/goodle.htm?q=&planet=Search+The+Web</p>

<p>After I'm done playing Xander for the polling place MoveOn thing (i.e., getting donuts) tomorrow, I'm going to drink Guinness and reread A Civil Campaign.  I refuse to read the news until 10 pm tomorrow night.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004  9:08 PM by ElizabethVomMarlowe&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #98 from Tayefeth</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My election day soundtrack is going to be running around like a maniac packing for DisneyWorld. Then I'm going to disappear into fantasyland for a week and hope that sanity (and the not-Bush party) will have prevailed when I return.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 10:39 PM by Tayefeth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #99 from Andrew Willett</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tayefeth, can you confirm something before you leave? In order to get away from election shennanigans, your plan is to go to <em>Florida?</em></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 11:06 PM by Andrew Willett&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #100 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew - Tayefeth is going to Disney<i>World</i>, which exists in its own universe. The portal connecting it to our universe just happens to be in Florida.</p>

<p>I understand they've renovated <i>It's a Small World</i>.</p>

<p>Tayefeth - Ride Space Mountain a lot, and spin those teacups! (If that's your thing). Have fun.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 11:14 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #101 from Chris Quinones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we're referring to "Schoolhouse Rock," "Preamble" has to be in the mix somewhere. (Did you know it was <a href="http://www.schoolhouserock.tv/Preamble.html" rel="nofollow">written and performed by Lynn Ahrens</a>? She went on to do the lyrics for <i>Once on This Island</i> and <i>Ragtime</i>, among other things.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 11:17 PM by Chris Quinones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #102 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday's appearance by Kerry in Manchester, New Hampshire brought the largest crowd in state history for any rally.  13,000.</p>

<p>Bush's last two appearances brought out 7,000 combined.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 11:50 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #103 from Christopher Davis</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry: my roommate in college freshman year worked for Disney Imagineering, and one day had to do time & motion studies on the Disneyland <i>Small World</i> ride.</p>

<p>All day.</p>

<p>Eight hours of listening to That Song.</p>

<p>I think OSHA should have had something to say about that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2004 11:56 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #104 from Paula Lieberman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"A blessing for the Tsar?  Well of course there is a blessing for the Tsar: May God bless and keep G/e/o/r/g/e  B/u/s/h  the Tsar <i><b>far away from us!</b></i>  </p>

<p>-- from <i>Fiddler on the Roof</i>, based on the stories of Isaac Bashevis Singer</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  2:14 AM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #105 from John M. Ford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-- from Fiddler on the Roof, based on the stories of Isaac Bashevis Singer</p>

<p>    The stories of "Sholom Aleichem" (Sholem Asch).</p>

<p>    Goys 'r' Us: because <i>schmendrick</i> is a state of mind.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  3:02 AM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #106 from PiscusFiche</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woke up, showered, getting dressed. I'm off to vote in about ten minutes. Wheee! </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  7:02 AM by PiscusFiche&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #107 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early results from New Hampshire:</p>

<p>Hart's Location<br />
 Bush: 16 <br />
 Kerry: 14<br />
 Nader: 1</p>

<p>Dixville Notch<br />
 Bush: 19<br />
 Kerry: 7<br />
 Nader: 0</p>

<p>Why this is important: Both of those are usually Republican sweeps.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  8:28 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #108 from Bob Oldendorf</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at Crooked Timber</p>

<p>http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/002792.html</p>

<p>it's pointed out that these early NH results  show an 8% shift toward Kerry (over Gore in 2000).</p>

<p>That is slender evidence to extrapolate from, but it's a good sign.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  9:18 AM by Bob Oldendorf&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #109 from Tim Kyger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've waited quite a bit to comment on this.  I have hemmed and hawed, since it's undoubtedly a waste of my time, but...I was always taught to speak up and note that the Emperor has no clothes on, when the Emperor *doesn't* have any clothes on.  This is one of those occasions.</p>

<p>Teresa posts ---</p>

<p>3. Draft. If anyone asks, say yes, of course they will. They’re not conscripting troops now because they calculated that it would damage Bush’s chances in this election. That’s why 40% of our troops in Iraq are National Guard and Army Reserve—units that were never meant to be thrown into combat in elective overseas wars. That can’t go on. The GAO itself says they can’t raise enough troops that way. Spread the word about the draft, too.</p>

<p>(Footnote: Patrick notes that dodging to Canada won’t work this time. They’ve closed that bolthole. Vote or die.)</p>

<p>OK, let's actually *think* about this, instead of just spreading things we *beleive* because they conform to one's worldview.</p>

<p>A Democrat, Charles Rangel, introduced a bill to reintroduce the draft -- in a cynical move, it must be added, to introduce the whole issue of draft into the discourse.  Mr. MCDERMOTT D-, Mr. CONYERS D-, Mr. LEWIS Democrat of Georgia, Mr. STARK D-CA, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE D-HI were the onlyu consponsors -- Democrats all.  This was H.R. 163.  It was voted down in the House of Representatives by 404 to 2 -- those two voting for it both being Democrats (Pete Stark of California and John Murtha of Pennsylvania).</p>

<p>IN OTHER WORDS, THE ENTIRE GOP DELEGATION OF THE HOUSE VOTED *NO* -- as well as almost every single Democrat, too.</p>

<p>Now how do you propose to actually get a draft *passed* in the House?  Please explain it to me in small, simple words.  I only worked in the House for six years, and in the Senate for 2; and I only worked as a professional lobbyist for 7; I might not know as much about these people, their procedures, and their ways as you so obviously do.</p>

<p>And you'd need the Senate to also vote yes, too, on an identical bill, in order to be able to get it to the President to sign (whoever that President might be).  Let's see....a Senate with just barely a Republican majority; with 48 Democrats and one Independent (actually a Democrat, Jeffords)...and where you need 60 votes to invoke cloture.  Even if the GOP picks up a bunch of Senate seats (not likely!), there's NO WAY that cloture can be achieved.  So...there's *no* way that draft legislation comes out of the Senate.</p>

<p>And in any case, you'd have to have a President who wants to sign such a draft bill.  And Bush doesn't want to.  Neither does Kerry.</p>

<p>And in a Kerry Administration, the Secretary of Defense wouldn't likely want a draft.</p>

<p>The current SecDef, Rumsfeld, *hates* the draft -- and he wants to cut the military manpower count even more than it is at present.  He still does.  This is viewed by some people (such as Teresa and Patrick, given past posts) as a Big Mistake; and it probably is.  But the point here is that the very Secretary of Defense in a 2nd Bush Administration also doesn't want a draft, for reasons of his own having to do with transformation of the Army bureaucracy (whether for good or ill; you decide).</p>

<p>The Joint Chiefs don't want the draft either.</p>

<p>"They’re not conscripting troops now because they calculated that it would damage Bush’s chances in this election."  They're also not conscripting troops now because they'd have to pass a LAW to be able to do so.  No executive order will suffice.</p>

<p>You're right about the political calculation involved -- which would be the same for whoever was in office; the American polity won't put up with a draft (and it shouldn't; it's slavery).</p>

<p>But the point about needing more troops remains; and it is a True Point (IMHO anyway).  What to do?  The back will break at some point.</p>

<p>So what'll happen in a Bush 2nd Administration, is that troops will be taken from Germany, Japan, and probably also Korea (big mistake) and sent to Iraq and the middle east theaters.  Also, perhaps the Bush Administration will ask for legislation and money to...wait for it...*hire more troops.*  The *ONLY* reason we have the number of troops we have today is that there is a legislative lid on the total number that the Department of Defense is allowed to recruit.  Change that number, and fund it (appropriate the monies), and you can recruit more troops.  No draft; but you've now got more troops; problem solved.</p>

<p>But requesting that sort of legislative relief during 2004 was politically impossible.</p>

<p>Rangel et alia were guilty of being incredibly cynical about this; but that's politics.  Teresa, you obviously seriously *and sincerely* believe this tripe -- and you really ought not to.  It doesn't stand up to any real serious analysis.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  1:25 PM by Tim Kyger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John M. Ford: Sholem Asch is not the same author as Sholem Aleichem. I forget Sholem Aleichem's real name, but I know Asch is a different man.</p>

<p><i>She chews her pencil. She's human!</i> [/charliebrown]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  7:41 PM by Chris Quinones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Last days -- comment #111 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The *ONLY* reason we have the number of troops we have today is that there is a legislative lid on the total number that the Department of Defense is allowed to recruit. Change that number, and fund it (appropriate the monies), and you can recruit more troops.</i></p>

<p>Tim, I've got a bridge to sell you -- if your collection isn't full already.</p>

<p>What was happening before Iraq is as meaningless now as events on the wrong side of a discontinuity always are. The Army is widely reported not to be making even what you say are artificially-constrained targets -- and, as T pointed out, has resorted to blackmail to get people to re-up. Do you really think removing a cap will mean anything now that there's a significant chance that people signing up will get not just abuse, rotten food, and rights violations, but also their very own coffin?</p>

<p>As for your vaunted knowledge of congressional procedure (which I think most of the people on this list are also familiar with) -- all you're describing are the mechanics, not how the representatives decide which button to push. I've seen reports from several sides talking about the rigorous discipline exerted by Tom DeLay (sp?) et al; the draft vote at that time was an obvious poison pill that the Republicans weren't going to take any more than they would even schedule a vote on raising the debt ceiling (which they're going to have to do right after the election). The Senate is a problem only as long as the Democrats are willing to filibuster; I refer you to <i>Mr. Smith Goes to Washington</i> if you can't picture the results of that action.</p>

<p>As for Rumsfeld and his wet dreams of a techno army -- what's he going to do when the situation continues pickling? More important, what will the patrons of the Republican party do to materialize the chances of unmitigated capitalism that they were promised? See also a recent <i>Technology Review</i> for how largely useless the current version of the <i>Z9M9Z</i> was during the big-shooting phase of the war; they don't talk much about how utterly irrelevant it is now.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  7:46 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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