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      <description>You may be challenged. Don't let them spook you! Here's from The Daily Kos:According to Ohio Law (§ 3505.18):YOU HAVE...</description>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #1 from Greg London</title>
         <description>comment from Greg London on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you may be challenged</i></p>

<p>There's something fundamentally wrong about letting partisanship inside the voting booth.</p>

<p>This isn't to say that the volunteers who man the lines and the booths and all the other stages aren't for one party or another, but they should be non-political in their function, and partisan behaviour should be a red flag that something is going wrong in the democratic process.</p>

<p>But to actually allow party volunteers, people who have basically declared that they have a bias, to be integrated into the voting process is disgusting. </p>

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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  3:22 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #2 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg London: <i>But to actually allow party volunteers, people who have basically declared that they have a bias, to be integrated into the voting process is disgusting.</i></p>

<p>Well, the idea is to mimic the adversarial system of the courtroom, and to keep an eye on the election workers who can be partisans themselves.</p>

<p>What really disgusts me is the special attention that minority communities get from those champions of liberty, the GOP, through thier Block The Vote program. Now with fewer dogs and more lawyers!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  3:29 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #3 from Bill Blum</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Blum on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there's a large contigent of Republican challengers that have descended on Springfield (Ohio)---  and almost all of them have headed for the southwest side of the city.   </p>

<p>I've spent a few hours outside the polling locations on that side of town, following the Republican voter thugs around the parking lots.   There have been a few incidents, but nothing major.   Local news is telling horror stories about the challengers in Cincinnati, however.</p>

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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  3:59 PM by Bill Blum&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #4 from HP</title>
         <description>comment from HP on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cincinnati, here. I voted around 11:00. My precinct is small, urban, and majority minority. (One quarter of the precinct is middle-class rehabbed brownstones and lofts; the rest is subidized housing). In eight years living here, I have never once had to wait in line; I am often the only voter in the polling station. Today, I waited half an hour to get my ballot. I have never enjoyed standing in line so much in my life. </p>

<p>Two volunteers from Election Protection outside; one from Voter Protection (affiliated with Ohio AFL-CIO) inside. We were covered. A commenter on another blog said something about a challenger at this precinct in the early morning, but he must've left. </p>

<p>Black turnout was especially high. They're maybe 70% of the population in the neighborhood, but about 80% of the voters in line. Fox 19 sent a camera. In Cincy, poor black people voting is news.</p>

<p>I've heard reports of challengers at other urban precincts, but for the most part they seem to be intimidated by the sheer number of voters. </p>

<p>On the walk back to my place, a young man approaches and asks if I have a light. He's the black urban youth of suburban nightmares and CPD target practice: about 20 years old, over six feet tall, lean and rangy, dressed head to toe in black, baggy clothes, with gangsta rap audible through his Walkman headphones. </p>

<p>I light up his Swisher Sweet, and ask, "Did you vote?" </p>

<p>"Yeah. Voted this morning."</p>

<p>"Turnout's incredible," I say. "I've never seen it like this."</p>

<p>Then he puts on his "I'm a scary black man" face and looks right in my eyes. "Who'd you vote for?" It was almost an accusation -- I am, after all, white.</p>

<p>I laugh, "Kerry!"</p>

<p>"Good man," he says, and smiles. "You did a good thing."</p>

<p><i>Good man.</i> That is just so adorable.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  4:01 PM by HP&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They're supposedly challenging voters on their citizenship, age, or residency. How many of you could have proven those if you'd been challenged when you went to vote today? At my polling place, the woman standing right behind me was fretting because she'd forgotten to bring ID. There was no problem; her signature matched the one on the records, so she got to vote.</p>

<p>The idea that Republican political operatives are going to be mounting these challenges because they're "concerned about abuse" is just ridiculous. For once thing, we're talking about <i>Ohio.</i> For another, I've heard no reports that the Republicans have put together any evidence that vote fraud is a particular danger this year.</p>

<p>Are they going to be doing lots of challenges on voters' ages? I doubt it, since anyone who could plausibly be challenged on that will be used to having to prove their age. I expect the ones they'll be asking for will be proof of residency and proof of citizenship. </p>

<p>Challenging residency lays a heavy inconvenience-tax on voters who have to go home and dig up an old utility bill with their name on it, and makes it impossible to vote if the rent and utilities aren't in your name. Challenging citizenship makes voting inconvenient if you have a passport or birth certificate you can go get from home, and impossible if you can't lay your hands on the necessary documents or never had them in the first place.</p>

<p>Ohio is not exactly close to an international border. Where are all these wicked foreign nationals supposed to be coming from?</p>

<p>This has nothing to do with stopping vote fraud. The only point here is to intimidate and inconvenience potential voters in order to keep them from voting. </p>

<p>If any old-fashioned Republicans are reading this:<blockquote><b>The guys who are mounting these challenges are <i>not</i> your friends. If they don't believe in government by the consent of the governed, they sure as hell don't believe in government by the consent of you.</b></blockquote></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  4:02 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #6 from adamsj</title>
         <description>comment from adamsj on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the vigorous response, four years delayed, to the theft of Florida has paid off.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  4:17 PM by adamsj&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #7 from HP</title>
         <description>comment from HP on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hokey smokes! Look at the Black and Hispanic numbers that <a href="http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/003870.html" rel="nofollow">Pandagon</a> has up for Ohio: Black precincts <b>+106%</b>. Hispanic precincts: <b>+144%</b>.</p>

<p>Jesse is the man on Ohio voting issues today. I'm also keeping an eye on <a href="http://cincinnati.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">CincinnatiBlog</a> for my local updates. I'm sure there are election bloggers in Dayton, Columbus, Toledo, etc. for those interested. But FYI, Cincinnati was the only urban district in the country to go Bush in 2000. It sure looks like that won't happen this time.</p>

<p>Teresa, I'm only in one corner of the state, but it's the Republicanest corner of the state. So far, what I've seen indicates that the good guys are winning on the ground. The courts are a different matter, but Atrios has early exit polls (2:30) for Ohio at 52-Kerry 48-Bush. How likely are court challenges with a four-point margin?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  4:45 PM by HP&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #8 from John Scalzi</title>
         <description>comment from John Scalzi on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no problems whatsoever voting in Ohio, but then I live in a consistently Republican county in a town which has no minorities to speak of. Seriously -- the one black person in town lives next door to me. And that's it. Clearly, we're not a concern (although I think they may be surprised at the votes here this time around). </p>

<p>By and large, so far it doesn't appear as if the GOP vote challengers are doing much vote challenging. But there are still two and a half hours of voting time left. We'll have to see what happens. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  5:07 PM by John Scalzi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #9 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP, they can't win without Ohio. They might challenge anything.</p>

<p>John, I doubt that's the only trick they have up their sleeves.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  5:09 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #10 from Caroline</title>
         <description>comment from Caroline on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa wrote:<br />
<i>They're supposedly challenging voters on their citizenship, age, or residency. How many of you could have proven those if you'd been challenged when you went to vote today?</i></p>

<p>Unless they required a birth certificate as proof of age, I could have proven all three.  I carried my drivers' license, my passport, and the most recent two months' utility statements addressed to me at my current address.</p>

<p>I was unlikely to be challenged (and in fact was not challenged) as I am a white woman of middle-class appearance who does not speak with a non-Standard-American accent.  (Moreover, my state is not considered a swing state.)  But I didn't want to take the chance.</p>

<p>I'm privileged enough to have all three of those pieces of identification.  If I had never traveled outside the U.S. I would have no reason to have a passport; if I had no car I would have no reason to have a license; and if I did not have the utilities in my name, say, if I lived at someone else's house, I wouldn't have been able to prove I live where I do.  It could have been very problematic, and it bothers me to think of those who were challenged unfairly who don't have my privileges.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  6:33 PM by Caroline&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #11 from Dennis Howard</title>
         <description>comment from Dennis Howard on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa Nielsen Hayden wrote: "Ohio is not exactly close to an international border."</p>

<p>Actually, Ohio claims to have a border with Canada. This because you can take a ferry from Leamington (or maybe it's Kingsville), Ontario to Sandusky OH.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  6:54 PM by Dennis Howard&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #12 from Tempest</title>
         <description>comment from Tempest on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio makes me go OW.  I absentee voted (cost me all kinds of money to do so) in hamilton county.  Right now all the craziness I see coming out of my home state just amkes me wonder if Ohio is even more insane than i thoguht growing up.  Yick.</p>

<p>right now, it stands thusly:</p>

<p>Bush, George W. 2,655,975  	 <br />
Kerry, John F. 	2,500,899 </p>

<p>This is from 94.88% counties reporting, but probably doesn't include the voters who were challenged and the 71,561 provisional ballots which won't be dealt with for days or weeks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004  2:38 AM by Tempest&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>IF YOU&apos;RE VOTING IN OHIO: -- comment #13 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missouri makes it very convenient.  All registered voters get a printed postcard with their name, registered address and where to vote imprinted on it.</p>

<p>I took that with me just in case, but my poll workers know me. Plus Jim went first so the one handling the signatures just pushed the book toward when Jim finished.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004  9:43 AM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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