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      <description>National Review is sounding depressed. The only real energy on their site is being generated by their multiple denunciations of...</description>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #1 from nate</title>
         <description>comment from nate on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee!  I haven't read that since grad school.  Thanks for the flashback. :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  5:40 PM by nate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #2 from Claude Muncey</title>
         <description>comment from Claude Muncey on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not quite sure just what is going on, but I have been picking this up both from right bloggers and the conventional media.  The best they seem to be able to do is "don't despair <i>yet</i>" while everyone in the Kerry camp appears to be optimistic, including some long time pessimists.  It seems that reporters who couldn't say a good thing about Kerry are smelling a change in the weather.</p>

<p>I'm sitting here at work, afraid of hoping this all means something.  Then I hear Morgan Freeman reading "Remember, Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things ... "</p>

<p>OK, I'll say it, even though I may regret it tomorrow -- It is starting to look good.  </p>

<p><br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  6:04 PM by Claude Muncey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #3 from Brooks Moses</title>
         <description>comment from Brooks Moses on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think having been a Red Sox fan is good training for this sort of waiting and watching.  There are things that one learns must be kept in mind:</p>

<p>Maybe this will finally be the year it works.  It could happen.</p>

<p>But it's not over until it's over, and even then you have to ask, "There's no way the Sox could be up 4-0 and still lose the Series, is there?"  They might could.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  6:24 PM by Brooks Moses&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #4 from John M. Ford</title>
         <description>comment from John M. Ford on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put it in terms I'm sure WFB would recognize, "F. you, fugaces."</p>

<p>Seems to me the values of a classical education are as spiffing as ever.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  6:28 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #5 from Matt McIrvin</title>
         <description>comment from Matt McIrvin on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that as the epigraph to Brian Aldiss's The Dark Light Years.  Good novel.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  7:25 PM by Matt McIrvin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #6 from NelC</title>
         <description>comment from NelC on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if they're going to send an extraction team to bag OBL, they should really do it soon....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  8:13 PM by NelC&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #7 from John M. Ford</title>
         <description>comment from John M. Ford on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a small problem, Nel.  One of the go-team (word is it was Sam Fisher) was wearing a subdued-color Kerry button on his stealth suit, and TSA wouldn't let him on the Black Hawk.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004  9:12 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #8 from Derek Lowe</title>
         <description>comment from Derek Lowe on  2.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm. . .you're right about what the mood was over at NR earlier this evening, but those exit polls now look rather worth denouncing. Virginia for Kerry? As a Bush voter, I'm glad that I'm at least getting an evening's worth from this election. This one's nowhere near over.</p>

<p>To stick with Eliot, from "Gerontion":</p>

<p><i>History has many cunning passages, contrived corridors<br />
And issues, deceives with whispering ambitions<br />
Guides us by vanities. Think now<br />
She gives when our attention is distracted<br />
And what she gives, gives with such supple confusions<br />
That the giving famishes the craving. . .</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2004 10:08 PM by Derek Lowe&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:08:34 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #9 from Kip W</title>
         <description>comment from Kip W on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statements of voters leaving the booths disagrees with the total on the Diebold machines.</p>

<p>Foolish voters! Who do they think <i>they</i> are?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004  7:42 AM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:42:59 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #10 from mayakda</title>
         <description>comment from mayakda on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't wrap my head around the huge turnout in FL, all those people waiting hours to vote -- for Bush. I want a Florida recount. *weeps*</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004  8:08 AM by mayakda&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #11 from Jimcat Kasprzak</title>
         <description>comment from Jimcat Kasprzak on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need is not to replace the President. We need to replace the citizens. The ones we have now aren't qualified for the job.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004 11:06 AM by Jimcat Kasprzak&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #12 from Keith</title>
         <description>comment from Keith on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/" rel="nofollow">Kerry just conceded</a>. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.</p>

<p>Is 11:30 AM too early to start drinking?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004 11:40 AM by Keith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #13 from Nyrath the nearly wise</title>
         <description>comment from Nyrath the nearly wise on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From NIGHT WATCH by Terry Pratchett:</p>

<p>There were plotters, there was no doubt about it. Some had been ordinary people who'd had enough. Some were young people with no money who objected to the fact that the world was run by old people who were rich. Some were in it to get girls. And some had been idiots as mad as Swing, with a view of the world just as rigid and unreal, who were on the side of what they called 'the people'. Vimes had spent his life on the streets, and had met decent men and fools and people who'd steal a penny from a blind beggar and people who performed silent miracles or desperate crimes every day behind the grubby windows of little houses, but he'd never met The People.</p>

<p>People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004 11:41 AM by Nyrath the nearly wise&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #14 from Jimcat Kasprzak</title>
         <description>comment from Jimcat Kasprzak on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so that's where that thought fell into my head from.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004 12:47 PM by Jimcat Kasprzak&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>East Coker -- comment #15 from Christopher Davis</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher Davis on  3.Nov.04</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Pratchett.  Right now I can't read <i>Jingo</i>, or <i>Small Gods</i>, or <i>Night Watch</i>, or <i>The Truth</i>...because they're all too depressing given that Ankh-bloody-Morpork has a better autocrat than we do.</p>

<p><i>Thief of Time</i> might work.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2004 11:49 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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