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      <description>Panix, our longtime ISP for email, appears to be undergoing some kind of problem with its domain name--possibly a hijacking...</description>
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         <title>Email -- comment #1 from Randolph Fritz</title>
         <description>comment from Randolph Fritz on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meantime, they are up at panix.net.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005 11:25 AM by Randolph Fritz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #2 from Jimcat Kasprzak</title>
         <description>comment from Jimcat Kasprzak on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it's not just me. I've been a bit worried... every ISP experiences occasional outages, but this is a lot worse than normal for Panix. Hope they get everything straightened out soon.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  6:39 PM by Jimcat Kasprzak&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #3 from Dave Kuzminski</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Kuzminski on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's my understanding that there's also a virus going around that attacks forums. There might be a connection between that and your email.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  7:06 PM by Dave Kuzminski&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:06:31 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Email -- comment #4 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the time one New Year's when they stayed up and running, even though a major city water main had burst underneath the street in front of their building? It washed away so much soil that a huge sinkhole formed, and a good bit of that stretch of Fifth Avenue collapsed into it, and a major gas pipe that ran through that area was undercut and ruptured, so Panix had floods and ruination and an uncontrolled pillar of fire going on directly in front of their building. That mess went on for days. We were sure they'd have to shut down service for a while, but they stayed up the entire time. Perhaps more pertinently, we've also seen them weather some very nasty DOS attacks. I can only trust and hope that they'll deal with whatever is going on this time.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  7:13 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #5 from Will &quot;scifantasy&quot; Frank</title>
         <description>comment from Will "scifantasy" Frank on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears to be a bad time for Internet services...Livejournal had its data center lose all its power, even the redundant backups, last night. As you can imagine it's been a long day for them.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  8:05 PM by Will &quot;scifantasy&quot; Frank&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #6 from xeger</title>
         <description>comment from xeger on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TNH wrote:</p>

<p><i>Remember the time one New Year's when they stayed up and running, even though a major city water main had burst underneath the street in front of their building? </i></p>

<p>It's very possible that the machines in that building weren't the ones that kept everything running.  One of the things that I always forget is that distributed services aren't at all obviously thus.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  8:11 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #7 from Bob Webber</title>
         <description>comment from Bob Webber on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, looks like skullduggery at Verisign: whoda thunk it?<br />
<pre><br />
Domain Name.......... panix.com<br />
  Creation Date........ 1991-04-22<br />
  Registration Date.... 2005-01-15<br />
  Expiry Date.......... 2006-04-23<br />
  Organisation Name.... vanessa Miranda<br />
  Organisation Address. 1010 Grand Cerritos Ave<br />
  Organisation Address.<br />
  Organisation Address. Las Vegas<br />
  Organisation Address. 89123<br />
  Organisation Address. NV<br />
  Organisation Address. UNITED STATES</pre></p>

<p>Admin Name........... na vanessa Miranda<br />
  Admin Address........ 1010 Grand Cerritos Ave<br />
  Admin Address........<br />
  Admin Address........ Las Vegas<br />
  Admin Address........ 89123<br />
  Admin Address........ NV<br />
  Admin Address........ UNITED STATES<br />
  Admin Email.......... jzoh@yahoo.com<br />
  Admin Phone.......... +44.702413697<br />
  Admin Fax............ +44.7026413697</p>

<p>Tech Name............ Domain Admin<br />
  Tech Address......... Burnhill Business Centre<br />
  Tech Address.........<br />
  Tech Address......... Beckenham<br />
  Tech Address......... BR3 3LA<br />
  Tech Address......... Kent<br />
  Tech Address......... GREAT BRITAIN (UK)<br />
  Tech Email........... admin@powerhost.co.uk<br />
  Tech Phone........... +44.2082496081<br />
  Tech Fax............. +44.2082496076<br />
  Name Server.......... ns1.ukdnsservers.co.uk<br />
  Name Server.......... ns2.ukdnsservers.co.uk<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  8:40 PM by Bob Webber&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #8 from xeger</title>
         <description>comment from xeger on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Webber commented:</p>

<p><i>Yup, looks like skullduggery at Verisign: whoda thunk it?</i></p>

<p>Er... panix.[net|org] look about normal though ...  Perhaps folks that are on panix might check and see if panix.org/panix.net work as expected...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  9:05 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #9 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is disappointing but unsurprising. Panix is one of the traditional white-hats in the ISP world. I hope they get everything sorted out. Unfortunately, in the interim, all of your mail may have gone into the proverbial bit-bucket in the sky.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  9:32 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #10 from Beth Meacham</title>
         <description>comment from Beth Meacham on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>panix.net is working fine, and they've ported everything over to it, at least temporarily.  But that doesn't do a damn bit of good for all the mail that's being addressed to panix.com.  Grump.</p>

<p>Anyone who needs to reach me while panix is down should use bmeacham at gmail dot com.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005  9:43 PM by Beth Meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #11 from xeger</title>
         <description>comment from xeger on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth grouched:</p>

<p><i>panix.net is working fine, and they've ported everything over to it, at least temporarily. But that doesn't do a damn bit of good for all the mail that's being addressed to panix.com. Grump.</i></p>

<p>Well, no.  OTOH, it's good to know that there's an alternative while things are fouled up, rather than being totally offline.</p>

<p>Interestingly enough, there's some strange things going on with mail delivery.  In theory mail to panix.com should be directed to (hijacked to?):</p>

<pre>
panix.com.              54622   IN      MX      200 mailhost-l2.panix.com.
panix.com.              54622   IN      MX      150 mailhost.panix.com.
</pre>

<p>mailhost.panix.com doesn't appear to exist, but mailhost-l2.panix.com does:</p>

<pre>telnet mailhost-l2.panix.com 25
Trying 166.84.1.75...
Connected to l2mail1.panix.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 l2mail1.panix.com ESMTP Postfix
</pre>

<p>... but that is a panix IP block...</p>

<pre>Trying 207.61.90.202...
Connected to mail.panix.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mailforward.freeparking.com ESMTP Exim 4.41 #1 Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:50:53 -0500
</pre>

<p>mail.panix.com, which shouldn't be in line to get mail is being sent off to a domain parking service with an IP block allocated from Bell Canada, but an address in Melbourne, Australia, and a nameservice pointing off to the same one that's listed for panix.com currently...</p>

<p>Kinda makes you wonder...<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005 10:00 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #12 from Dave Weingart</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Weingart on 15.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Panix thing seems to be a major screwup for a great many people.  </p>

<p>Oh, and ggn.net's Usenet server went down a couple three days ago, it's only just come back up.</p>

<p>Online life has been quite...interesting...today.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2005 10:33 PM by Dave Weingart&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #13 from Beth Meacham</title>
         <description>comment from Beth Meacham on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most oddly, perhaps, I telnetted into panix.net this morning, and discovered that while I have no mail waiting in my inbox, there was a ton of new spam in the spam filter box.  So things are not as clear-cut as one would like them to be.</p>

<p>I have faith that the clever people who run panix will sort it all out, and smite the miscreants.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 11:11 AM by Beth Meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #14 from Rose</title>
         <description>comment from Rose on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh -- I've got pals who work at Panix who are probably having a Worst Weekend Ever kind of time.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 11:15 AM by Rose&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #15 from Jacob Sommer</title>
         <description>comment from Jacob Sommer on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife has a Panix account with domain forwarding.  The stuff being sent to the domain seems to be downloading fine.  </p>

<p>Whoever did this is going to get into major trouble when the dust settles...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 11:50 AM by Jacob Sommer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #16 from Sarah</title>
         <description>comment from Sarah on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>panix.com has been officially hijacked, per a front page story on slashdot.<br />
(http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/16/0027213&tid=95&tid=172&tid=17)</p>

<p>"Status as of Sat Jan 15 22:04:33 EST 2005</p>

<p>Panix's main domain name, panix.com, has been hijacked by parties unknown. The ownership of panix.com was moved to a company in Australia, the actual DNS records were moved to a company in the United Kingdom, and panix.com's mail has been redirected to yet another company in Canada. Panix staff are currently working around the clock to recover our domain, but this may take until Monday, due to the time differences and difficulties in reaching responsible parties over the weekend.</p>

<p>For most customers, accesses to Panix using the panix.com domain will not work or will end up at a false site."</p>

<p>From the sounds of the comments on slashdot, the "proper authorities" aren't very helpful.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 11:55 AM by Sarah&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #17 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
         <description>comment from Jonathan Vos Post on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah:</p>

<p>The discussion that you refer to, and correctly summarized, is at:<br />
<a href="http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/01/16/0027213.shtml?tid=95&tid=172&tid=17" rel="nofollow"><br />
New York's Oldest ISP Gets Domain-Jacked</a><br />
Posted by michael on Sunday January 16, @03:03AM<br />
from the no-respect-for-their-elders dept.<br />
Howard Roark writes "Panix, the oldest commercial Internet provider in New York, had its domain name 'panix.com' hijacked by persons unknown. The main effect on users is that mail sent to panix's customers is being routed to a bogus mail server run by the hijackers."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 12:12 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #18 from Beth Meacham</title>
         <description>comment from Beth Meacham on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panix.com has been restored to its proper owners by Melbourne IT, and the correct dns info should be happily propagating its way through the internet.  At lest, so they tell me.  I started getting mail about an hour ago, though it is sporadic and I wouldn't rely on it getting through for another 24 hours.  Fortunately, Monday is a Federal holiday, and there won't be much work email being generated.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005  6:22 PM by Beth Meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #19 from Anticorium</title>
         <description>comment from Anticorium on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that you could write a pretty comprehensive history of malevolent behaviour on the net by just answering the question "What have jerks tried to do to Panix?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005  8:57 PM by Anticorium&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #20 from Leva</title>
         <description>comment from Leva on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, how does one DEFEND against domain hijacking?</p>

<p>I've got a domain that's suddenly and rather unexpectedly become desirable. It's not for sale. People keep trying to buy it. I keep saying no. I expect sooner or later someone will try nefarious means to obtain it for resale. </p>

<p>Anyone have any tips on defending a domain? </p>

<p>Leva</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 10:54 PM by Leva&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #21 from Charles Dodgson</title>
         <description>comment from Charles Dodgson on 16.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was skulduggery, involving a cut-rate domain registrar in, I think, Australia.  However, even after the panix.com DNS records were hijacked, some DNS servers still had the old (and correct) address information cached.  (So, for instance, Beth's spammers, who had the DNS address cached, were able to get through -- but her legitimate correspondants were not).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 16, 2005 11:38 PM by Charles Dodgson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #22 from clark e myers</title>
         <description>comment from clark e myers on 17.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"tips on defending a domain?"</i><br />
See the /. thread mentioned supra - it's full of would have, should have, could have to be sorted through. </p>

<p>The second step is to follow the process to lock transfers so they require positive approval - or should! The first step is to host with a bigger gorilla that doesn't go home on weekends - and stay current with your gorilla both in contact information and payment. </p>

<p>The system currently does a pretty good job of protecting naming rights from being hijacked without due process of law - this being important to the powers of this world.  </p>

<p>Denial of service and misdirection has been given less protection. Perhaps as being harder to deal with by traditional rules or perhaps harder to explain to the powers of the world.</p>

<p>Notice the Panix redirection involved over the weekend hard to contact issues on a sort of 3 day weekend in the U.S. of A. - this is not the sort of obtaining for resale most people need worry about.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005 12:06 AM by clark e myers&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #23 from Richard Parker</title>
         <description>comment from Richard Parker on 17.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leva,</p>

<p>I assume the domain of yours that has suddenly attracted interest is FIREFOX.ORG?  If so, I checked the status of the FIREFOX.ORG domain with the .ORG registry using 'whois'.  It appears that you have already locked your domain - it currently has an <a href="http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3731.html" rel="nofollow">EPP domain status</a> of 'clientTransferProhibited' and your current registrar is Network Solutions.  </p>

<p>This means that even if you were to go to another registrar and provide them with signed authorization to transfer the domain and assume registrar duties, the .ORG registry would refuse to consummate the transfer from the old registrar to the new registrar.  In fact, all transfers should be refused until you explicitly unlock the domain at the original registrar.  This is about as good of protection as you can get with the current domain system.  Locking your domain does, however, reduce the agility of your domain - you might find yourself in an awkward position and with a non-functional domain if your current registrar unexpectedly goes out of business (since they might not be around to process your unlock request).</p>

<p>I should note that panix.com claims that they had a registrar lock on their domain at the time it was transferred away from their registrar Dotster.com to the Melbourne IT registrar.  If this is true then many domains may well be vulnerable to a domain name hijack until the mechanism used for the panix.com compromise is identified and corrected.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005 12:45 AM by Richard Parker&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #24 from Steve Taylor</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Taylor on 17.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> It was skulduggery, involving a cut-rate domain registrar in, I think, Australia.</p>

<p>Melbourne IT, my ex-employer. While I can well believe they could screw up, I don't know about "cut-rate" though - they're not a small shop, and they're not cheap. </p>

<p>I've been reading the slashdot thread trying to work out who screwed up where, and it's still not particularly clear. Should be an interesting one once it's finally sorted.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005 12:51 AM by Steve Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #25 from Beth Meacham</title>
         <description>comment from Beth Meacham on 17.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to be fair, once Panix got in touch with someone with technical understanding at Melbourne IT, they fixed the problem.  The issue turned out to be time-zones and weekends, not skullduggery on the part of MIT.</p>

<p>It's clear to me that one issue is that somehow Panix's lock on their domain names, at Dotster, got unlocked.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005 10:42 AM by Beth Meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #26 from xeger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leva asked about protecting domains:</p>

<p><a href="http://techlawadvisor.com/ych/" rel="nofollow">The Young Cybersquatter's Handbook</a> and <a href="http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2005/01/how_to_resolve_.html" rel="nofollow">Patently Obvious's link to an article about protecting your domain</a> might be interesting places to start.</p>

<p>In general, I'd hope that your domain is in use, since it makes life much easier in all forms of domain discussion.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005 12:46 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #27 from Kelley Shimmin</title>
         <description>comment from Kelley Shimmin on 17.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Melbourne IT folks are kind of bothersome.  A little over a year ago I got married to a guy with the last name Shimmin.  I used to have a nice vanity email for my maiden name (firstname@lastname.net) so I decided to try to get something for my new name, that wasn't totally lame like .biz (my apologies to those who like the .biz domain).  I discovered that Melbourne IT owns most of ours, and are selling email forwards and site forwards for our last name's .name domain.  </p>

<p>(I don't know a lot about this, so I may be talking about this wrong, but I think that I can make enough sense to at least tell the story intelligibly.)  </p>

<p>Anyway, so I can't get myfirstname@mylastname.name except through them.  Why they happen to own my married last name, and not my maiden name or any other name that I tried looking for is unknown to me.  I just gave up and bought it, and then renewed it this year (although I am paying through the nose for just an email forward).  I am considering not bothering for next year, but then I know I'll be kicking myself if I can't ever get a nice vanity email address in the future.  Does anyone who reads this know anything helpful for me?  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005  2:35 PM by Kelley Shimmin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #28 from Paul</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley - two friends of mine found a good anagram of their two Christian names, and got that (redfelineninja - the two names are left as an exercise for the reader). You could always consider that, if you can find a good anagram.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 17, 2005  8:58 PM by Paul&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #29 from Tom Whitmore</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Adeline?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005  3:21 AM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #30 from oliviacw</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul - oh dear, if I were to do that with my name and my husband's, the best option sounds like a porn site (VainOralIdol).  Not sure this is a good choice for a vanity domain name.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005  9:12 AM by oliviacw&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #31 from Andy Perrin</title>
         <description>comment from Andy Perrin on 18.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYTimes has an article on the Panix hijacking:</p>

<p>http://tinyurl.com/3m29l</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005 10:14 AM by Andy Perrin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #32 from Paul</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: Jennifer and Daniel. Good try though. :)</p>

<p>Olivia: well, nobody would forget it...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005  3:11 PM by Paul&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #33 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 18.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T -- speaking of email, check yours.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005  3:33 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #34 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got email today from tnh@panix.com, subject line "Important", contents a very short zip file with the remnants of the self-extraction header and a payload of spaces.  (I have a good ISP.)</p>

<p>But I bet I know what part of the motivation for the panix.com-hijack was.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2005  6:38 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #35 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon, please speak more plainly.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005 10:13 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #36 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Patrick -- too much technical writing.</p>

<p>I know that Teresa uses a Mac, and that you collectively practise decent network security, so it's not very likely that her home PC has been converted into a spambot.</p>

<p>I think it's even more unlikely Teresa would send me email consisting of the subject line 'Important' and no content but a self-extracting zip file.</p>

<p>So if I get spam from Teresa's Panix address with pretty much authentic headers, I am faced with either an astonishing co-incidence -- and I'm not getting any other spam putatively from Making Light posters, making an unconnected harvesting from the blog seem unlikely -- or the idea that part of the reason for the Panix grab was to harvest not just authentic addresses but also <i>active conversations</i>, people who are expecting to get email from this other person right here.  (Which is not that plausible in the particular instance, but that's what getting that particular email brought to mind, shortly followed by 'the evil, evil people'.)</p>

<p>Man-in-the-middle is a traditional approach to getting around whitelist filters, after all, and the message <b>did</b> sail through spamassassin.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005 10:24 AM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #37 from Kate Nepveu</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon, what do you mean by "pretty much authentic headers"? I get spam and viruses all the time claiming to be from people here, people I've had conversations with -- what's distinguishing this one from all those others, and how would the hijack have helped with that?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005 10:31 AM by Kate Nepveu&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #38 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate --</p>

<p>Many spam emails purport to be from some random real person; this is why one occasionally gets a grumpy gram from some mail server somewhere telling you that they couldn't deliver the message you didn't send.</p>

<p>Generally, the spammer has faked <b>just</b> the From line, and the remaining headers provide a spam filter with information -- the date is in the future, there's a message path that doesn't match the address or which matches a known spamhaus, and so on.  </p>

<p>For example, if Teresa were to actually send me mail, the full headers would include a set of Received lines that indicated that it started at Teresa's machine, went to a machine at Panix, maybe another machine at Panix, perhaps another machine on the route to my ISP, a machine at my ISP, and then my machine.  Spam doesn't get these right, and the good spam checkers have rules based on that -- if the address is Fred@ISP.com, and none of the Received lines mention ISP.com, something's not right.</p>

<p>What I recall from that message is that it had plausible headers for something that came from Panix, rather than the usual 'oh, this is spam' headers.  Having all of the Panix mail traffic to use as a template would presumably help with getting the headers right.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005 11:30 AM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #39 from Kate Nepveu</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. Hmm, well, I've never inquired very closely of my spam filter what criteria it uses [*], so spoofing wouldn't have occured to me as a criteria.</p>

<p>[*] I get final say over what it junks and see it all before it does.</p>

<p>The panix FAQ currently says that it thinks the redirected mail went to an innocent third party, but I imagine they'll be keeping a close eye on that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005 11:55 AM by Kate Nepveu&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #40 from Clark E Myers</title>
         <description>comment from Clark E Myers on 19.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>View the headers: see what clever/cute/twee names some people give computers. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005  3:28 PM by Clark E Myers&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #41 from CHip</title>
         <description>comment from CHip on 19.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark -- headers may be all that can give that info now, but I remember when there were surveys that gave overall info. (Late 1980's, when -"you at this 4-byte #: what are you calling yourself?"- was a legitimate and safe query.) For some time,  the most popular name on the net was "hobbes".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 19, 2005  5:13 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #42 from Jonathan Shaw finds dog comment spam</title>
         <description>comment from Jonathan Shaw finds dog comment spam on 24.Jan.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 24, 2005  6:12 AM by Jonathan Shaw finds dog comment spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Email -- comment #43 from Clifton Royston sees comment spam</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston sees comment spam on  8.May.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not even sure what it is spamming for, but...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted May  8, 2007  2:35 AM by Clifton Royston sees comment spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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