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      <description>Footage from yesterday from a helicopter over New Orleans, with local commentary. Needless to say, the flooding is worse today....</description>
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         <title>Images -- comment #1 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any tips on how to get Windows Media Player to run properly on Tiger?</p>

<p>I've gotten a few things to work (the CNN hourly roundup), but most dont'. With this clip, I get pnly sound and a black screen.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:02 AM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #2 from Tina</title>
         <description>comment from Tina on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And more profanity.</p>

<p>A couple friends of mine live in Metairie. They're not there now, thankfully, but I just saw the footage of the area their house is in.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:13 AM by Tina&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #3 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I'm using Tiger (OS X 10.4.2), Safari 2.0.1, and Windows Media Player 9.0.0, and they're mostly playing nice together.  That clip launched WMP and played painlessly, for me.</p>

<p>Sometimes I find that Firefox does a better job of playing video that's "inline" in web pages.  Your mileage may, as always, vary.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:20 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #4 from Richard Parker</title>
         <description>comment from Richard Parker on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn, I successfully watched the <a href="http://nebe-b.org/wgno26flyover.wmv" rel="nofollow">video</a> in Mac OS X 10.4.2 using <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx?pid=windowsmedia" rel="nofollow">Windows Media Player 9</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:20 AM by Richard Parker&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina: Up to the eaves?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:25 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #6 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems with other aspects of Internt flow may be causing some of my problem. I just got a CNN one to work after a long delay.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:32 AM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #7 from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</title>
         <description>comment from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katryn, I can't get half of the clips to play either. I'll try to upgrade.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:33 AM by Anna Feruglio Dal Dan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #8 from Tina</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looked like about 3-4 feet of water to me, but the video's kinda grainy, so I wasn't totally sure.</p>

<p>Of course, they have a sunken livingroom...</p>

<p>I wonder if they managed to get any of their stuff out.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:43 AM by Tina&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #9 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC several of the projected storm tracks from this past weekend looked like Katrina was going to follow the Mississippi River upstream to the Ohio, then branch off thataway toward Pittsburgh for maximum drainage toward Nawlins. I haven't checked on the actual track since then, but certainly the water is going to keep coming for a while.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:51 AM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #10 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm already at 9 for the Windows Media Player. The only thing left to upgrade is a tiny upgrade on Safari, and I can't get the Apple site to load. And I'm on a G5 w/ a fast cable connection, so my speed isn't the issue.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  9:53 AM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #11 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jomatt/38568106/" rel="nofollow">Here</a>'s an image of the spot where the levee breached that I Flickr user posted, brought over from Google Earth.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005 10:49 AM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #12 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
         <description>comment from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That can't be right--I thought they said the levee breached in Bucktown, near the Old Hammond Highway bridge? This pic shows the breach well south of I-10.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005 11:20 AM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #13 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a different comment thread there is another link to an after pic of the break in the spot depicted. (I can't find the ML comment where I found thelink. Was it a comment by Lori Mann, perhaps?)</p>

<p>I've posted a before & after comparison <a href="http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2005/08/new_orleans_lev.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005 11:29 AM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #14 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at Kathryn's pictures, the red-roofed building is vert prominent on the Google Earth imagery, by the north end of the canal. It's on the lake shore. In the background haze you can see the high-rise buildings of the city centre. And the trees and the buildings on the opposite side of the canal are good landmarks on Google Earth.</p>

<p>30d01m07s N 90d07m17s W</p>

<p>And that looks like a 200-foot breach, similar width to the canal.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005 11:53 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #15 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
         <description>comment from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we're talking about two different breaches, sadly. The Google Earth diagram points out a different, much farther south area of the canal than the one in the photo Dave Bell posted a few posts down. The latter is the breach that Mayor Nagin is talking about, very close to the Lake shore.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  1:19 PM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #16 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Sigh*</p>

<p>My work PC coughed up blood yesterday, and I'm using a Sun with the browser equivalent of a crystal radio, Netscape 4.73 on an old Sun.</p>

<p>I'm surprised it can handle pictures of any sort.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  2:29 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #17 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 2 breaches. Harris has posted a corrrected photo. Also, the I-10 bridge is destroyed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  2:40 PM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #18 from Bruce Arthurs</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Arthurs on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just looking at some of the photos coming out of other areas.  In Mobile, Alabama, an oil rig out in the water broke loose from its understructure and was blown inland, finally wedging itself under a bridge.  In other Mobile photos, an entire residential block looks like a line of bulldozers came through and scraped everything down to the foundations.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  3:51 PM by Bruce Arthurs&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #19 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrelf/38665740/" rel="nofollow">this one</a> on for scale.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  4:40 PM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #20 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
         <description>comment from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little on 30.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Kathryn, that's pretty dramatic.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  7:38 PM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #21 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in another shot of the same scene (see my blog post), it appears that the water is flowing <b>from</b> the houses into the canal. Why that could be is hard to grok.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2005  7:55 PM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #22 from Epacris</title>
         <description>comment from Epacris on 31.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn: Tides? Storm surge backwash?</p>

<p>My thoughts are with the people & others affected by this - across what must be a huge area now.  We can hope there may be some good consequences from all the destruction & suffering.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005  7:15 AM by Epacris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #23 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it's got to the point where tidal effects are reversing the flow, they have a chance to block the breach at slack water. But to do it, they'll have to give the operation a cast-iron 100% priority; no diversion of helicopters for rescue.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005  8:30 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #24 from Jackie</title>
         <description>comment from Jackie on 31.Aug.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord, what happens when a half million people can't go home? Where do they go? Their homes are gone, many of them are very poor, and they probably don't have insurance. They've lost everything, including their jobs. Desk jobs, computer jobs, service jobs, tourism jobs, University jobs, the clerks, the janitors, the middle-managers, the small business owners. Eventually even the nurses, doctors, police officers and emergency service personnel. Everybody's paycheck just disappeared, so they can't even pay the hotel bill or move into an apartment, and suddenly the rest of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Texas have to absorb 485,000 homeless, unemployed people. </p>

<p>This sort of thing hasn't happened in America in a long time. The closest I can think of is the Chicago fires. Except in Chicago, people could still say: "we will rebuild this goddamn town. We will start over on the smoldering ruins." You can't rebuild when the ruins are under 6 feet of water. So it's a real refugee situation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005 12:36 PM by Jackie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #25 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's entirely possible they can't rebuild at all.</p>

<p>(Well, ok, without building a multi-square-mile elevated mound on the present site.)</p>

<p>If the current administration were halfway able to find their asses with both hands sewn into the back pockets of their pants, they'd be making the public question of where the new city goes -- can the historic site be saved?, etc. -- and how it's going to be paid for front and center in the national dialog.</p>

<p>That would violate the neocon rule about never doing anything that benefits anyone who isn't you, so I don't expect anything like that to happen, but it's some of what's needed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005 12:50 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #26 from Jackie</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sorry, I meant "a million or two homeless, suddenly unemployed people."</p>

<p>Yeah, Graydon, you're right. There is the distinct possibility that they can't rebuild at all on the present site of the city. Also the distinct possibility that even if they do, this will all get replayed verbatim in another year. Or two. Or... maybe even in the next two months, before they've even finished patching the levees, because this hurricane season isn't over yet.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005  8:31 PM by Jackie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Images -- comment #27 from Bruce Arthurs</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/08/31/CU2005083101665.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a NASA simulation (via Washington Post) of the effects of rising flood waters in New Orleans.  Jeezus.</p>

<p>And on the idea of replacing New Orleans, rather than rebuilding it, I did some <a href="http://undulantfever.blogspot.com/2005/08/new-new-orleans-big-future.html" rel="nofollow">brainstorming</a> on that in my own blog earlier today.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2005  9:28 PM by Bruce Arthurs&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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