Before Lori Beth, there was a fascinating woman (whose name I missed) on who had stayed in the Convention Center. She had very nice things to say about the "gangsta" guys who were toting guns and who were looting, but they provided more protection in some areas of the Convention Center than the National Guard did, and the gangsta guys also brought many people food, water, clean clothes and beer (none of which was provided by "the officials"). Almost like Robin Hood, she said.

Also, another individual trapped in New Orleans is further collaborating Lori Beth's crossing-the-bridge story.

I'm in decent shape. I've spent a lot of time carrying a lot of crap on my person. Even at that, 20 miles in a day is a fair bit to walk.

Walking out of New Orleans, before Katrina hit, is something I'd never attempt. Blown off my feet, my gear strewn to the four winds and completely exposed to the elements. That's suicide.

She was 400 miles wide. Hunker down, ride it out, and then, if needs be, start walking, but there was no way to get out from under on foot.

Frankly, I'm giving him points for going on Stewart's show and being as honest as he has been. WOnder how long his job will last, though.

Risa, good point about Brian Williams -- and yet, I know that fear narrows the focus. We tend to think only of own precious skins, or of the skins of those we consider precious. In certain situations, when there are not enough seats on the plane leaving Saigon, for example, it leads to terrible choices and terrible behavior. I have great sympathy for people caught in that trap. I read the interview -- thanks for posting it -- and it seems to me Williams was frightened, disturbed, shocked and showing it, not doing the usual "defend the Bush administration at all costs" bullshit that I have come to expect from mainstream media.

There is an interesting article about the hurricane preparation, lack of, in todays's NYTimes magazine, and a fascinating article by Mark Danner about the war on terror. Danner's analysis is pretty bleak. Another disaster that we are not going to be able to walk out of...

I'm pretty sure I know what walking far enough from New Orleans to have avoided the hurricane would have entailed in good weather and carrying nothing. I'd not even make an attempt at it these days. I don't think anyone under the age of 12 would have had a chance of managing it. I don't believe there are many who could manage it carrying much more than a change of clothes.

Which doesn't mean that nobody could have managed it, but does mean that it was a better bet for most people wiuthout transport to seek shelter within the city.

Lizzy, you're right about fear narrowing the focus. i'm definitely giving Williams kudos for his even-handed portrayal of what he went through. i'm just wondering if it's a horrid truth of journalism that you must do your job regardless of the little help you could give to relieve human suffering... i wouldn't be able to do it.

Even then, no way in the world would I try to walk out of a city to avoid something which was going to chase me down.

Where would I be going?

I think donating to a recognised charity would almost certainly be a better way of achieving this. The Red Cross are accepting donations.

It might also have been practical to walk to the airport, but it's a long way, and I don't know about hazards.

http://www.emsnetwork.org/artman/publish/article_18337.shtml

it has been pulled.

Bottom line, they tried to walk out, the bridge was blocked by police with guns who forced them back. When they were not allowed in shelters and built an encampment, the same police sent a helicopter to blow the shelters (over over 200 people) away so that they wouldn't be a nuisance.

Sigh.

Aside from the fact that I agree wholeheartedly with the intent of this post - and I do - I have to say it's sentences like this that keep me coming back here.

What I meant was, you cannot walk out of a hurricane while it's going on. I imagine that an able-bodied, healthy person with a supply of water could have walked from a low-lying region to higher ground before the hurricane swept in. But it's pretty clear from what is being reported that getting to high ground in NO would only have postponed your eventual evacuation. And as others have said, you would not be able to do it accompanied by kids, pets, an elderly parent, a disabled friend, or some variation on the above. Far better to hunker down in the safest place you can find with all the supplies you can find and wait for the government to bring busses, food, medical supplies, etc... Except that there were very few safe places and the government didn't come.

The people trapped in the Superdome and the Convention Center should have been allowed to leave. The resources that were applied to keeping them there should have been applied to guiding them to safety.

Given that fact: How long will it take you to walk ten miles? How long will it take you to walk twenty? How long will it take you to walk four hundred miles?

How far can you personally walk in twelve hours? In twenty-four? Have you tried? Can you honestly walk for twenty-four hours straight?

On "walking out," there are shockingly few comments about flooding and water, and the facts that there were alligators and snakes wandering around in areas where they frequently weren't wandering before. And it was also pretty damned hot. ANd people kept being told that there were busses coming...

I think most of us know the story of Jabbar Gibson by now, It's been discussed here and there in the media, on message boards and, of course, on blogs.

He's the kid that 'stole' a bus in New Orleans and drove 100 people, including small children and the elderly to safety during hurricane Katrina.

You might also remember that when the story first broke there was some talk that Mr Gibson could face criminal charges for the theft of the bus. It was that outrageously petty reaction by officials that first got our attention and made Mr. Gibson's story stand out among all the others.

Of course the small minded bureaucrat who ( I assume) couldn't seem to see beyond the fact that a "black kid stole a bus" soon realized it wasn't good public relations to arrest a hero and that idea was dropped... but still....it's amazing that it was ever considered at all.

So a few of us who gather at a small BBS decided that we should try to do something for Mr Gibson. Not just because he did the right thing and acted bravely and resourcefully in a bad situation but because... well, because we can't do something for all the people who acted heroically during Katrina. Mr Gibson has become our symbol.

Please see our petition.

[Complete text of petition deleted here. That's what links are for. --TNH, Moderator]

http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-2/556/556_04_RealHeroes.shtml

Over and over a small voice keeps asking why weren't these commandeered to take people out of the city? Or if they couldn't do that, to take people to the shelters of last resort?

An even more nagging question: If the local government intended to use the Superdome and convention center for shelters, why weren't they stocked with supplies and porta-potties?

Does anyone know if any level of government in New Orleans actually USED the plans they'd gamed out in the 'Hurricane Pam' scenario?

Lori Coulson

I'm told that there's an awful lot of "Katrina Disater Relief" email spam out there.

If you get a letter supposedly from the Red Cross that has a link in it to click on to give a donation -- don't do it.

Oh, and I got a great piece of Katrina-Spam today:

You can help them, visiting our site and buying anything on this site you will incrase the money fond wich will help us to supply hundreds of thousand victims.

Wow, spammers' spelling skills still haven't improved.

"The levee broke Tuesday morning."

Bah, what's 24 hours in a universe that's 6,000 years old?

The superdome had enough water and MREs for 15,000 people for two days (provided by the National Guard). They had about 10,000 more people than that and they didn't start getting people out of the Superdome until Wednesday (evening, I think). Since the storm hit Sunday night, that means people were there for a minimum of four days, not two. It wasn't that they didn't have food, but that their estimates were waaay off, both in terms of number of people, and how long it would take the feds to resupply them and get people out.

Yes, thoses buses could have been used to get some people out, but 26,000? Before the storm hit? It would have been a better use of resources to use them to stock up on more supplies, or go around and pick people up and take them to higher ground (they did have buses running from collection points to the Superdome).

I don't get the portapotties thing either though, it's not like it was a surprise to anyone that the sewer system backed up and the pumps stopped working.

re: Hurricane Pam: DHS apparently never got the funding to write up their report and analysis of the exercise, so rather than anything actually learning or improving anything, the government just spent a bunch of money practising.

Maybe not 26,000, but maybe a good portion of that 10,000 extra people at the Superdome:

They had about 10,000 more people than that

Which might have eased the food/water problem just a tad.

Every person evacuated before the hurricane is one less person to rescue/feed/move after the hurricane.

I think it was a waste myself. I'm just getting annoyed with the people who act like it would have been easy to do so on short notice, or a complete solution.

It's not just a matter of getting the buses out, but collecting people and getting the buses out. Within two days. Or less.

(I also wonder how many of these buses were being used on Sunday to get people to the Superdome. Does anyone know what buses were used to do that?)

And every person you get out isn't one less person to feed later (or even move). You would have had to feed and shelter the people you did get out (and quite likely move them elsewhere later), it just would have been much easier because transportation to and from whatever shelter(s) you set up would have been much more accessible.

I think that a lot of people dropped the ball, that's why I want an investigation. It just seems obvious to me that some of the blame being put on NO and LA in terms of immediate response (as opposed to long term planning) is as much wishful thinking as anything else. If we can't expect the feds to supply tens of thousands people with food and water within two days, how can we expect local governments to evacuate ten thousand in even less time?

A former Air Force logistics officer with a handful of ad hominems. You forget that some of us have met Air Force officers. If this one likes ad hominems so much try this one on for size: Being in the Air Force means that his brain doesn't work below 5,000 feet. If a war started at 1500 on a Friday the Air Force wouldn't find out until 0800 the following Monday morning.

Back when he was spending mornings playing golf and evenings squatting on a barstool in an air conditioned officers' club, the grown-ups were learning that the world doesn't work the way he thinks it does.

Let's look at other parts of that article:

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992.

1992 -- remember that was Bush I, back when FEMA was a nice sinecure for political hacks. That was before Clinton cleaned it up and put in professional disaster managers -- grown-ups with experience, not the frat boys and failures that the Bushes -- father and son -- dumped there.

When were those other hurricanes that Jack Kelly quotes Jason van Steenwyk (who he mentions is a Florida National guardsman, with no other mention of his expertise in disaster planning):

The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne.

Hurricane Hugo, 1989
Hurricane Andrew, 1992
Hurricane Iniki, Hawaii, 1992
Hurricane Francine, 2004
Hurricane Jeanne, 2004

How amazingly wonderful that no hurricanes struck the United States while Clinton was president and James Lee Witt was director of FEMA!

Or could it be that hurricanes did strike the United States, and fast and effective mobilization and federal disaster relief mitigated the effects?

Yeah, the latter.

As far as Air Force logistics officers, apparently they've fogotten how to count on their fingers. People went into the shelters on Sunday. The levees broke on Monday. The first official aid came on Wednesday, in the form of palletloads pushed off the backs of trucks that didn't even slow down. Too little, and by then three days in. It wasn't until Thursday that the feds even found out that there were people at the Convention Center, not until Friday before food and water arrived in quantity, and not until Saturday that the last of the survivors were taken out of the shelters. That's a solid week, Air Force Logistics Officer -- seven days (I know, in the Air Force a week is only five days, and you started counting two days after the disaster started, but trust me on this one -- the real number is seven). Human beings without water live three days.

I've seen Maytag washers that didn't have as much spin as that piece.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

Three college kids from Duke got to the New Orleans Convention Center in a two-wheel drive Hyundai days before the National Guard did.

And let's not forget the New Mexico National Guard -- mounted up and ready to ride on Sunday, the day before the hurricane hit, while people were still going to the shelters. They didn't get permission to roll until the following Thursday. That holdup wasn't at the local level, guy. Your "grown-ups" running FEMA were too busy doing Tequilla Shooters in college and pretending that being an intern in an assistant city manager's office was the same thing as being an assistant city manager to figure out that you have to be fast off the dime when real people will lose real lives if you're hanging out with one thumb in your mouth and one in your ass playing "switch."

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

No, numbnuts -- you preposition them outside of the area. Say -- New Mexico. Wisconsin. Minnesota. Then you move them in. Do I have to explain all this to you? I already mentioned the New Mexico troops who were hanging out waiting for the order to go. Shall we mention the civilian contractors in Wisconsin with truckloads of water and ice who were held up, then misdirected by hundreds of miles to the wrong locations where no one was present to offload their supplies?

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

No amount of spinning, whining, or lying by omission will make this anything other than a botch from top to bottom. And any time you're ready to present facts rather than puffed up excuses, I'm ready to listen.

Those "Hurricane Pam" plans that were supposedly made? They weren't made or promulgated-- they were cut from the budget. And during that exercise FEMA spent its time blowing smoke, promising supplies it didn't have on a timeline it couldn't meet, using assets it couldn't locate. Only later did the local guys who were relying on FEMA to hold up their side of the bargain discover that it was all big talk from small men.

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

No, you don't do it by snapping your fingers. You do it with planning. You know the Seven Ps? Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. Out in the world that's the way things really work.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Guardsmen all over the country were getting their mobilization orders on Friday and Saturday before the event. They were standing by (the ones that weren't in Iraq). FEMA was sucking its thumb.

After the event is a hell of a time to start thinking of what you're going to need. Planning. What grown-ups do. Remember?

Norfolk to New Orleans by way of the Florida Straits is around 1,600 miles. At a 20 knot speed made good, that's 80 hours. If a hospital ship and a couple of amphibs set sail when Katrina turned north on Saturday morning, they have been at New Orleans by mid-day Tuesday.

Thinking ahead. Planning. Coordination. What FEMA was supposed to be doing. These were supposed to be grown-ups, remember? They'd been given important jobs and were receiving serious paychecks for doing them.

Brown and Chertoff weren't engineers. They were lawyers, and not terribly good ones. They had fancy friends who gave 'em nice cushy jobs. Not a lad among 'em had a lick of common sense or a day's experience with genuine disasters, planning for them, or recovering from them.

There's your scandal. An incompetent put other incompetents in charge of something important.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

Only the first sentence of that paragraph is true.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Like New Mexico's troops?

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

If that was a success, Lord save us all from a clusterfuck.

I'm looking forward to a full, honest investigation of this fiasco.

I'd like to see it soon. I'd like to see it followed up by indictments. And jail time.

An impeachment wouldn't be a bad idea either.

(In my current condition, I would not count on my ability to outwalk an incoming snail.)

Too bad they didn't let people know in advance that the response was supposed to be that slow. But maybe that announcement is supposed to be next week?

The Post-Gazette's idiot -- I notice that he says, "A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought...."

I have known Air Force logistics types who were not "day wienies" and who were competent.

A former Air Force logistics officer with a handful of ad hominems. You forget that some of us have met Air Force officers.

Hey, I used to be an Air Force officer! Can't-think-of-his-name-in-Colorado (no, not Wil McCarthy, another Colorado SF novelist) was an Air Force officer....

If this one likes ad hominems so much try this one on for size: Being in the Air Force means that his brain doesn't work below 5,000 feet. If a war started at 1500 on a Friday the Air Force wouldn't find out until 0800 the following Monday morning.

Unfair, unfair, unfair. I spent holidays working in Cheyenne Mountain and in the Tactical Operations Room in the BMEWS Site in Greenland, in places that were definitely NOT up flying around up in the air. The inside of a mountain on a midshift is NOT a airplane, and went the power goes out....

Back when he was spending mornings playing golf and evenings squatting on a barstool in an air conditioned officers' club, the grown-ups were learning that the world doesn't work the way he thinks it does.

The golf course on Mt Dundas involves first climbing UP Mt Dundas, and the way of getting down, involves a lot of sliding on one's rump on the rocks and dirt.

[snip]

As far as Air Force logistics officers, apparently they've fogotten how to count on their fingers. People went into the shelters on Sunday. The levees broke on Monday. The first official aid came on Wednesday, in the form of palletloads pushed off the backs of trucks that didn't even slow down. Too little, and by then three days in. It wasn't until Thursday that the feds even found out that there were people at the Convention Center, not until Friday before food and water arrived in quantity, and not until Saturday that the last of the survivors were taken out of the shelters. That's a solid week, Air Force Logistics Officer -- seven days (I know, in the Air Force a week is only five days, and you started counting two days after the disaster started, but trust me on this one -- the real number is seven). Human beings without water live three days.

More slur--look -up- the chain of command. I saw Air Logistics officers working 24 X 7 on an exercise years ago, with cargoes coming and and going out, planes offloaded and on-loaded... but Blunderbush the Bumbler wasn't involved and his buddies appointed for their campaign funding skills which had nothing whatsoever to do with government operations execution and management and competent and other appartchik patronage putzes were far out of the loop and not invovled.

I've seen Maytag washers that didn't have as much spin as that piece.

Anything Schmuck and his buddies are involved with, the most energetic movement is the spin and distribution of more funds to stinking Halliburton and Bechtel and such.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.
Three college kids from Duke got to the New Orleans Convention Center in a two-wheel drive Hyundai days before the National Guard did.

They were acting on their own volition, they didn't have a pack of Bushwhipped general officers more interested in keeping their asses integral and their jobs than in the wellbeing of the nation--or the were like stinking Boykin, maniacs of the same noxious religious imperialism as Bush.

And let's not forget the New Mexico National Guard -- mounted up and ready to ride on Sunday, the day before the hurricane hit, while people were still going to the shelters. They didn't get permission to roll until the following Thursday.

Once again, malfeasanse and incompetence etc. at the top and down the chain of command. The "commander's initiative" in the Schmuck Misadmininstration is unenlightened self-interest and job security. Arguing with Schmuck's orders is bad for the continued employment and position outlook.

That holdup wasn't at the local level, guy. Your "grown-ups" running FEMA were too busy doing Tequilla Shooters in college and pretending that being an intern in an assistant city manager's office was the same thing as being an assistant city manager to figure out that you have to be fast off the dime when real people will lose real lives if you're hanging out with one thumb in your mouth and one in your ass playing "switch."

Schmuck is happy festooning the US Government with syncophant and asslickers who if they ever had any competence running federal operations and management federal programs, compromised their integrity and dropped doing things that need to be done/should be done to pander to Schmuck and his particular values and attitudes and whims.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.
No, numbnuts -- you preposition them outside of the area. Say -- New Mexico. Wisconsin. Minnesota. Then you move them in. Do I have to explain all this to you? I already mentioned the New Mexico troops who were hanging out waiting for the order to go. Shall we mention the civilian contractors in Wisconsin with truckloads of water and ice who were held up, then misdirected by hundreds of miles to the wrong locations where no one was present to offload their supplies?

Cronies incompetent asslickers flunkies gutless gormless wonders all the way down the appointee and most of the promotions lists....

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."
No amount of spinning, whining, or lying by omission will make this anything other than a botch from top to bottom. And any time you're ready to present facts rather than puffed up excuses, I'm ready to listen.

Schmuck must have been given some doping chemicals, he admitted blame on himself today.... but otherwise the whole thing has been playing Big Lie games.

Those "Hurricane Pam" plans that were supposedly made? They weren't made or promulgated-- they were cut from the budget. And during that exercise FEMA spent its time blowing smoke, promising supplies it didn't have on a timeline it couldn't meet, using assets it couldn't locate. Only later did the local guys who were relying on FEMA to hold up their side of the bargain discover that it was all big talk from small men.

Potemkin Presidency with Potemkin structures promoted by the Schmuck and his skuz associates and subordinates.

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.
No, you don't do it by snapping your fingers. You do it with planning. You know the Seven Ps? Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. Out in the world that's the way things really work.

That's where there's process and competence and intention of doing positive things and making the world a better place and having the people being affected being involved, in positive fashion. There's a lot of incompetence, malice, greed, selfishness, willful ignoring, stupidity, etc. etc. etc out there. I saw the Boston Computer Society destroyed, with incompetence part but not all of it. Lack of openess was another part with Star Chamber tactic involved, and lots of self-interest and selfishness and power-hunger and disdain/lack of concern for other people's interests and well-being seemed to be involved, plus lack of concern about things like finance and other people's feelings and values.

And what about the facilities that were in the area? What about all those miltiary and reservers and Guard in Texas, Louisiana north of the coast, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, etc.?!

Guardsmen all over the country were getting their mobilization orders on Friday and Saturday before the event. They were standing by (the ones that weren't in Iraq). FEMA was sucking its thumb.

FEMA's thumbs were up its ass. Sucking its thumbs is way too generous.

After the event is a hell of a time to start thinking of what you're going to need. Planning. What grown-ups do. Remember?

Patronage pukes who don't know and don't care about the position and competences germane to the positions there were awarded, don't hand and don't want a clue. They just want the money and the prestige and the trappings and the perception of power.

Norfolk to New Orleans by way of the Florida Straits is around 1,600 miles. At a 20 knot speed made good, that's 80 hours. If a hospital ship and a couple of amphibs set sail when Katrina turned north on Saturday morning, they have been at New Orleans by mid-day Tuesday.

And what about the stuff at e.g. Pensacola, and on the west coast of Florida? What about the stuff at Guantanamo Bay, and again, Texas?

Thinking ahead. Planning. Coordination. What FEMA was supposed to be doing. These were supposed to be grown-ups, remember? They'd been given important jobs and were receiving serious paychecks for doing them.

They were Gag Order George Blunderbush appointees. Competence and experience other than financial support and loyalty are irrelevant...

Brown and Chertoff weren't engineers. They were lawyers, and not terribly good ones. They had fancy friends who gave 'em nice cushy jobs. Not a lad among 'em had a lick of common sense or a day's experience with genuine disasters, planning for them, or recovering from them.

The people who put them there there is nothing polite to say about. Brown and Chertoff were winners in the spoils patronage system, rewarded for being good appartchiks down at relatively low positions bringing in the bucks to fuel the operation of the scorch-the-planet-Republican sack-the-world-robber-barons-take-all machine.

There's your scandal. An incompetent put other incompetents in charge of something important.

It goes beyond that. The entire lot of them serve what I have to regard as evil causes and purposed and use evil ways to accomplish their goals. They treat others with disrespect and disdain, they circumvent and dismantle laws written specifically to ensure clean water and clean air and reducing the release of toxins like like mercury into the air to come down and poison children. They promote destruction of forests and marshes and wetlands and waterways and forests, which provided natural barriers helping protect cities and towns and farms and houses from natural disaster of storm and flash flood and wildfire. They promote injustice and lack of recourse for the poor, cut funding of education and healthcare for those who can't work or can't find work that pays a living wage and provides for essentials like healthcare.

They gag order information they don't like that contradict/are offensive to their their particular religious sects' values (but aren't offensive to others of other religions and branches of the same religion), and censor and rewrite studies paid for by US taxpayers when they don't like the results or the results disagree with their attitudes. They remove information about birth control and other medical informatio and replace it with noxious lies. They tell women who have menstrual cramps the equivalent of "In pain thou shalt bring forth children" and prescribe prayer if even that for the pain--some of them doubtless feel that menstrual cramps on on the continuum ranging from purely imaginary to Biblical literalists who believe in the Curse of Pain imposed on Eve and inherited by womenkind.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.
Only the first sentence of that paragraph is true.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.
Like New Mexico's troops?

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

If that was a success, Lord save us all from a clusterfuck.

It's old-fashioned Big Lie techniques. Declare the situation won and pretend it's a victory and keep reiterating it.

I'm looking forward to a full, honest investigation of this fiasco.

I want an independent investingation of a bunch of things, including US Government actions and US Government-funded actions in Afghanistan, in Iraq, participation by the International Red Cross, and I want the World Court involved--I don't trust ANY arm of the US Government to investigate this impartially and without shielding Schmuck.

I also want the FBI records on Whitey Bulger and Bush I's dealing in the Gulf War, and in Irancontragate, unsealed. Some suspicions occcured to me as to WHY Schmuck put an Executive Order Secrecy Gag and General Gag Order on the FBI records that included the FBI Washingtons' dealing with James Bulger, who made chumps out o the US Federal Government for YEARS and almost literally was given a license to kill by the FBI, his and his buddy Flemmi murdering people and the FBI -colluding- to send three men innocent of murder to death row, to rot in jail until death or the determination 30 years later of false testimony under oath and conviction of murder on false testimony. The FBI knew that the three men were innocent, but colluded in sending them to Death Row. It was only because Massachusetts had stopped carrying out executions that they weren't put to death. One of them died in jail, the other two were freed, after three dacades in the state penitentiary.

And stinking shithead Bush when Congress was having hearing regaring federal collusion that protected James Bulger from arrest for decades and let him escape with his ill-gotten blood money millions to a very comfortable life wherever, imposed an Executive Order sealing off the FBI records.

I'd like to see it soon. I'd like to see it followed up by indictments. And jail time.

An impeachment wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Jettisoning Gag Order George would be much better than that. Impeachment is merely a charge, it's not conviction of malfeasance....