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      <description>Ninety-nine years on a chain gang? Why, judge, that ain't no time. I got a brother in New Orleans Got...</description>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #1 from AnimeJune</title>
         <description>comment from AnimeJune on  5.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever people say about the other one, THIS MARTHA deserves to be behind bars for a long, long time. </p>

<p>I've been to the Writer's Beware site, and they warn against ANY agency or agent that demands money upfront, or money for editing services. Miss Snark over at misssnark.blogspot.com also had a few posts about scamalicious agencies. </p>

<p>And the people over at Writer's Beware get death threats! </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  4:03 PM by AnimeJune&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #2 from Magenta Griffith</title>
         <description>comment from Magenta Griffith on  5.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One down - or does she count as two?</p>

<p>How about PublishAmerica? The latest edition of LMP (Literary Market Place) came out last week. They have the SAME listing as in the 2004 edition, saying they are a regular, non-vanity publisher yada,yada. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  5:01 PM by Magenta Griffith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #3 from Wendy Bradley</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there's a contrary part of me that now really, really wants a copy of "Make Millions from your Kitchen Table"!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  5:39 PM by Wendy Bradley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #4 from Dave Kuzminski</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMP is listing PA again? This has got to stop.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  5:56 PM by Dave Kuzminski&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #5 from Scott</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee - Looks to me like Martha has a bright future in Republican politics. With credentials like this, she's a lock(up) for the House...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  6:45 PM by Scott&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #6 from Claude Muncey</title>
         <description>comment from Claude Muncey on  5.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One down - or does she count as two?</i></p>

<p>From the post, I would say she counts as six or seven . . .</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  7:36 PM by Claude Muncey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #7 from Kip W</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep thinking of "The Strange Love of Martha Ivery"...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2005  8:01 PM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #8 from Teresa Nielsen Haydent</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Haydent on  6.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha Ivery is as bad as they come. This isn't some misguided wanna-be who's strayed into dishonest practices. She's a professional con artist, and she's been merciless in her rip-offs of naive writers. </p>

<p>I doubt we'll have the gratification of seeing her get the maximum sentence -- but we can hope.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 12:49 AM by Teresa Nielsen Haydent&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #9 from Robert L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy--There are two for sale on amazon, but they aren't cheap.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005  1:54 AM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #10 from Sandy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are those lyrics? They sound familiar, but all I can come up with is Junco Partner: </p>

<p>"Six months <br />
Ain't no sentence<br />
And one year<br />
Ain't no time<br />
I was born in Angola<br />
serving 14 to 99."</p>

<p>(Anyone know if that's a Clash original? It doesn't sound like it, but I don't have the album here.) </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 10:42 AM by Sandy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #11 from Sandy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and <i>Make Millions From Your Kitchen Table</i> is selling on alibris for about $20 . Which is "Well above novelty price" for me. . .</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 10:43 AM by Sandy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #12 from AnimeJune</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>LMP is listing PA again? This has got to stop.</i><br />
Well, I guess after the "unbridled success" of Travis Tea's "Atlanta Nights", they've got some crud, er, cred...^_~</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 11:07 AM by AnimeJune&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #13 from Sandy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I was sure the lyric up top said "life plus ninety-nine" when I posted. Now it says "Nine hundred ninety-nine." </p>

<p>If this keeps up I shall lose faith in the Internet. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 11:23 AM by Sandy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #14 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  6.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed it.  I've heard both versions, and wasn't sure which one I liked best.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 11:45 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #15 from Ulrika O&apos;Brien</title>
         <description>comment from Ulrika O'Brien on  6.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy-</p>

<p>The lyric Jim shows is, as far as I know, from a song called <i>Delia</i>.  The version I know is done by Cordelia's Dad, and I was mighty pleased to find, having been reminded of them, that their backlist is now available through the ever wonderful <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/group/cordeliasdad" rel="nofollow">CD Baby</a>.  (The version I'm familiar with has the lyric as "nine hundred ninety-nine.")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 12:42 PM by Ulrika O&apos;Brien&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #16 from Chryss</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm planning on giving out <i>10% of Nothing</i> to scads and scads of people for holiday gifts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005  4:17 PM by Chryss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #17 from MacAlister</title>
         <description>comment from MacAlister on  6.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those lyrics are from an old, unattributed folk song called (usually) <i>Delia's Gone</i>, about a beautiful but vicious, conniving woman who gets her comeuppance.  In that particular verse, the songwriter is discussing his lack of concern over his paltry sentence for killing her.</p>

<p>There are many verses, some of which describe Delia's violent end in graphic detail.  I expect some of the folks Martha Ivery conned would really enjoy it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2005 10:14 PM by MacAlister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #18 from mythago</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out on bail pending sentencing? Anyone taking bets on whether goes on the lam?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  7, 2005  1:51 AM by mythago&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #19 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  7.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac's right, and in her honor (and because it's a far better title) I'm going to change the name of this entry to "Delia's Gone."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  7, 2005  7:19 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #20 from Johan Anglemark</title>
         <description>comment from Johan Anglemark on  7.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your changed subject line scared me; I opened it fearing that Delia Sherman had met with a fatal accident. Phew.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  7, 2005  8:27 AM by Johan Anglemark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #21 from Victoria Strauss</title>
         <description>comment from Victoria Strauss on  7.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of "The Strange Loves of Martha Ivery"...her rap sheet (which is extensive) includes bigamy. An especially horrifying crime, if you've ever seen her photo.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  7, 2005  1:32 PM by Victoria Strauss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #22 from Ulrika O&apos;Brien</title>
         <description>comment from Ulrika O'Brien on  7.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it's all about the folk process, I reckon.  Poking around, I found <a href="http://www.guitarseminars.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001558.html" rel="nofollow">this thread</a> which has, among other things, pointers to what may well be the story of the historical Delia, a pubescent turn-of-the-century Savannah girl.  Looks like the song is variously known as <i>Delia</i>, <i>Little Delia</i>, <i>Delia's Gone</i>, and <i>All My Friends are Gone</i>, and sung by as motley an assortment of artists as Leadbelly, Bob Dylan, Dave Alvin, and Johnny Cash.  More interesting, given that apparently there have evolved so many verses about how awful Delia was, is the indication that apparently the historical model was a 14-year-old girl who didn't want her boyfriend exerting ownership over her or telling her what to do, whose teenage boyfriend then just spontaneously shot her.  There's a story about the role and nature of women as viewed by men in there, somewhere.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  7, 2005  3:28 PM by Ulrika O&apos;Brien&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #23 from Robert L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria: <i>An especially horrifying crime, if you've ever seen her photo.</i></p>

<p>I haven't, and I'd like to. Google Images no help. Do you know of any on the Internet?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  9, 2005  5:29 AM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #24 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 24.Dec.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sci Fi Wire has the story <a href="http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=33804" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2005 12:57 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #25 from kathy brandt</title>
         <description>comment from kathy brandt on 18.Sep.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,I dealt with above for 5 years.She tormented me no end with lies etc.I know I am responding late-we were moving etc and just recently got internet again (no telephone lines-finally got broadband)What I want to disclose is that I have met this Jezebell ! Her real name is <br />
Maxine Fraade from Hyde Park ,New York Doesn't anyone know this ?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 18, 2006 12:22 PM by kathy brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #26 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  9.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of which: A voice from the grave!  Maxine/Kelly/Martha rebuts internet rumors that she's a crook.</p>

<p>From <a href="http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/001/ripoff0001879.htm" rel="nofollow">Ripoff Reports</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
<b>I think you better take that lie off of your site</b>
<p>
From: Presstige9@aol.com
<p>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:08:00 EDT<br />
Subject: (no subject)<br />
To: info@ripoffreport.com<br />
CC: Presstige9@aol.com<br />
<p>
I think you better take that lie off of your site, as that is exactly what it is, a lie. I know people on the Internet can say what they want, but if they don't have the hard facts, and insert stories, then you need to be wary.
<p>
I'd be happy to supply you with any information you need about my company, and I'd be happy to satisfy any complaints you have on this company. Thank you.
<p>
Press-TIGE Publishing Inc. 291 Main St. Catskill, NY 12414 We have been at this address for 5 years, and we haven't moved since 1995. Go figure why that one woman said we had different addresses on our letterhead.
<p>
Regards,
<p>
M. Ivery<br />
Publisher </p></p></p></p></p></p></p></blockquote>

<p>And...</p>

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<b>I have made a copy of her complaint and I am giving it to my attorney.</b>
<p>
From: Presstige9@aol.com
<p>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:02:46 EDT<br />
Subject: Rebuttal<br />
To: info@ripoffreport.com<br />
CC: Presstige9@aol.com
<p>
WOW! What a complaint! If this woman would leave her address and name, and the title of her book I'd be happy to accomdate her with her complaints.
<p>
I don't know who she is, or what the title of her book is. Many authors who are released from their contracts through my attorney, are usually satisfied after they sign the release, which states they are satisfied, and the like.
<p>
If you would please be so kind to tell me who this person is, so that I can try to help her with her complaint, I'd be a happy camper. My first concern though is seeing that this woman is satisfied. Thank you.
<p>
Warmest Regards,
<p>
Martha Ivery<br />
Publisher
<p>
I have made a copy of her complaint and I am giving it to my attorney. Any additional information you can supply me with, so that I can satisfy this woman's or man's complaint with this company would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. 
</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></blockquote>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  9, 2009  3:53 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #27 from Mary Aileen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks like an old story; the dates are 2000. Am I missing something?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  9, 2009  4:17 PM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #28 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an old story, and those dates are 2000.  Martha is still, so far as I know, happily ensconced in a Federal prison.</p>

<p>The point is that, despite the threats from Martha Ivery and her angry denunciations of the "lie," the complaints against her were true.</p>

<p>I'm also trying to keep things from vanishing into the memory-hole of web rot.  So many links to newspaper stories about the Great Scammers now return Error 404.</p>

<p>That's part of the reason scammers get away with it: No one can easily see how many times before the exact same game has been played.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  9, 2009  6:43 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #29 from Mary Aileen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James D. Macdonald (28): Fair enough. "A voice from the grave" sounded to me as if she were making (try to make) a comeback, so I was confused by the old dates.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  9, 2009  7:08 PM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Delia&apos;s Gone -- comment #30 from Mark</title>
         <description>comment from Mark on  9.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim @ 28: Witness the fact that a (rather cursory) Google search failed to yield a working link to an article on her sentencing. Found some speculation on what the guidelines say she ought to have received, but nothing definite.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  9, 2009  9:14 PM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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