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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #1 from dan</title>
         <description>comment from dan on  6.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Monday, loathsome Monday morning; you just became bearable...</p>

<p>Thanks, Jim!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006 11:18 AM by dan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #2 from P J evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the concert hall and firing range! (It could even be both at once when the program includes the '1812 Overture'. I'm sure there are other possibilities here.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006 11:20 AM by P J evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #3 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who's been looking at recent posts and wondering what Mike <i>will</i> say about it?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006 11:26 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #4 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @ 3:<br />
Not hardly.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006 11:27 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #5 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of getting as much of Mike's work as possible out of closets and onto the internet, I've just posted the short story that he, so typically, presented one day without warning: <a href="http://captainconfederacy.blogspot.com/2006/11/driving-north.html" rel="nofollow">Driving North</a>. We adapted it (keeping most of the text) for issue #10 of the Captain Confederacy comic book: <a href="http://captainconfederacy.blogspot.com/2006/09/chapter-ten.html" rel="nofollow">Captain Confederacy, Chapter 10</a>. But for people who like their prose pure, Mike's original version's swell.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006  1:04 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #6 from Diatryma</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am strangely flattered to see a reply to me in here.  I still haven't gotten the limerick right, either.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006  1:08 PM by Diatryma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #7 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><i>Actually, zeppelins are the key to alternate history, or at least identifying such books by their covers.</i></blockquote>I was delighted to be able to turn to my husband and reference this at the beginning of a recent Doctor Who episode. But then I remember it being bandied back-n-forth at VP; I hadn't realized that it had been Mike's observation.]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006  5:32 PM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #8 from Peter Erwin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth Hite had a Suppressed Transmission column called "An Alternate-Historical Alphabet," in which the entry for Z was, of course, Zeppelins:<br />
<blockquote><b>Z is for Zeppelins</b><br />
All Change Points (q.v.), from Xerxes (q.v.) to the last presidential election, create worlds with clean, efficient Zeppelin traffic.  Changing history may produce Zeppelins as an inevitable by-product, much as bombarding uranium produces gamma rays. Often, the quickest way to tell if you are in an Alternate History is to look up, rather than at a newspaper or encyclopedia. From this premise, it is not outside the realm of Plausibility (q.v.) that our history between 1900 and 1936 was, in fact, an Alternate History. It would, at least, explain a lot.<br />
</blockquote></p>

<p>This appears in his <i>Suppressed Transmission 2</i> collection -- which, appropriately, features an introductory poem by John M. Ford ("In the Neomythic Age").</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006  5:44 PM by Peter Erwin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #9 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there are zeppelins in every other universe; the improbable consequence of the Hindenburg disaster is one of the most obvious clues that we exist in an extremely unlikely reality. Heck, if I read about a timeline without lighter-than-air, I would wonder what bizarre excuse the writer had.</p>

<p>And zeppelins are cool. Coolness always trumps logic. Alas, it's not the only thing that trumps logic--here's hoping for the best on Tuesday.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2006  7:18 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #10 from Bob Oldendorf</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diatryma: <i>I am strangely flattered to see a reply to me in here.</i></p>

<p>I know the feeling. <i>Does anyone know of a <b>Brief History of Heresy?</b></i> was a question from me, and it's now my brush with immortality.</p>

<p>Just the other day in my office, somebody added a portrait of Noah Webster to our Copyediting Shrine.</p>

<p>And when I saw it, I had three thoughts in succession <br />
1) (<i>The Devil and Noah Webster</i>!)<br />
2) (I wonder what John M. Ford would do with that?)<br />
3) (And now we'll never know.)</p>

<p>I miss the man.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2006 12:15 AM by Bob Oldendorf&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #11 from David Goldfarb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note a reference above to the Whitmore Cellar of Antiquities.  I suspect some here may not get the allusion:  Tom Whitmore once found the original manuscript of Aleister Crowley's <b>The Book of the Law</b> in the basement of a house he was moving into.  He wrote an article about it called "Raiders of the Lost Basement", which a quick google turns up <a href="http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-subjects-viewpage-pageid-110.phtml" rel="nofollow">here</a> among other places.</p>

<p>Peter Erwin @ 8 quotes Kenneth Hite:<br />
<blockquote>Changing history may produce Zeppelins as an inevitable by-product, much as bombarding uranium produces gamma rays.</blockquote></p>

<p>Someone at Jo Walton's Farthing Party mentioned this phenomenon, and Emmet O'Brien named it the Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2006  3:18 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #12 from Peter Erwin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will shetterly said (#9):<br />
<i>Of course there are zeppelins in every other universe; the improbable consequence of the Hindenburg disaster is one of the most obvious clues that we exist in an extremely unlikely reality. Heck, if I read about a timeline without lighter-than-air, I would wonder what bizarre excuse the writer had.</i></p>

<p>I feel like a bit of a spoilsport in pointing out that the Hindenburg was merely the last in a series of zeppelin disasters, following the British <i>R101</i> (carrying the Air Minister who had overseen the project) and the US Navy's <i>Shenandoah</i> and <i>Macon</i>.</p>

<p>Of course, this has two implications:</p>

<p>1. The Zeppelin meme is very hard to kill; it took four rather spectacular disasters for Them to convince our timeline to give up the idea.<br />
2. Now we have cool <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,441035,00.html" rel="nofollow">underwater zeppelin wreckage</a> to explore.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2006  6:24 AM by Peter Erwin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #13 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, excellent link; thanks!</p>

<p>But I have to say that part of what's "spectacular" about those incidents is how little loss of life there was. The Macon's especially striking: two dead. What're the odds of surviving a sea crash in a jet?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2006  3:46 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #14 from Steve Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Irwin (#12) writes:</p>

<p>> I feel like a bit of a spoilsport in pointing out that the Hindenburg was merely the last in a series of zeppelin disasters, following the British R101 (carrying the Air Minister who had overseen the project) and the US Navy's Shenandoah and Macon.</p>

<p>I've got a lovely little book at home called "Airshipwreck" which consists of almost nothing but pictures of... wrecked airships.</p>

<p>Many of them seem to have been done in by extraordinary weather conditions - i.e. 2 mile an hour breeze on the ground pushes them slowly into a solid object and they gently fold in half.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2006 11:12 PM by Steve Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #15 from Chris Borthwick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the blimps, though, the statistics showing few blimp-protected boats going down may also be due to not sending blimps on the really dangerous runs. In the Atlantic, for example, part of the trick was to sneak past the wolfpacks without them noticing, which would imply not raising your height by a few hundred yards. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  8, 2006 10:03 PM by Chris Borthwick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #16 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris -- that does not accord with the discussion in a recent <i>Smithsonian Air & Space</i>. IIRC, blimps were not used as transAtlantic escorts; they didn't have the range. But they escorted ships up and down the coast (important for keeping the war machine going), providing enough warning that U-boats could count on a warm welcome. It's true that the blimps themselves got shot at, and down, occasionally, as the U-boats had deck guns; but that still meant the U-boat had broken cover and was doing much less damage (and, at the worst, killing fewer people) than if it were torpedoing a ship.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  8, 2006 11:25 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #17 from Peter Erwin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will shetterly said:<br />
<i>But I have to say that part of what's "spectacular" about those incidents is how little loss of life there was. The Macon's especially striking: two dead. What're the odds of surviving a sea crash in a jet?</i></p>

<p>You're right.  And the <i>Hindenburg</i> was also less catastrophic than we tend to think: almost two-thirds of the passengers and crew survived.  (On the other hand, when the <i>Akron</i> went down, only 3 of the 76 crew survived.)</p>

<p>Freeman Dyson had an interesting essay a number of years ago where he compared post-WW1 zeppelin programs (few in number, giant, prestigious, government-funded) with airplane research (lots of small, private projects, often involving just a handful of people).  His argument was that the zeppelin programs were very vulnerable to failures, since the failures were very public and embarassing, and tended to lead to the entire program being shut down; on the other hand, failures of airplane prototypes only affected the company or inventor involved, and other programs charged on ahead in a kind of Darwinian technological process.  The result was, by the late 1930s, lots of progress with airplanes and the end of all zeppelin research.</p>

<p>Then he suggested that the more recent equivalents of zeppelin programs were a) 1950s nuclear reactor research[*]; and b) national space programs.</p>

<p>[*] I'll admit I'm not convinced that having hundreds of people tinkering with nuclear reactors in their garages would necessarily have been a Good Thing....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2006 12:47 PM by Peter Erwin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly recommend Neville Shute's <i>Slide Rule</i> on this subject, if you can find a copy.  It's fascinating reading as a personal history of early British aviation; among other things, he was involved as an aviation engineer both in the development of the R100, predecessor to the ill-fated R101, and in founding his own airplane company.  He also worked for de Havilland and other aircraft pioneers.  It's a great read.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2006  2:02 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #19 from Rob Rusick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Then he suggested that the more recent equivalents of zeppelin programs were a) 1950s nuclear reactor research [..]</i></p>

<p>If I'm recalling the essay, I think he also concluded that there had been a rush to commercialization of nuclear power, and that the water-cooled reactors that were built, were based on  the designs used by the Navy. And where a water-cooled reactor for a submarine was perfectly reasonable, it might not have been the best solution for civilian nuclear power.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2006  2:10 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. </p>

<p>Shute says much the same thing as Dyson, from the inside; also that the zeppelin programs, being big government funded programs, were under constant pressure to add this or that feature to prove how wonderful they were, and to add personnel who came with glowing recommendations from some politician.  R101 took the brunt of these intrusions.  Following radical design changes, R101 was sent on its flight to India ahead of the standard test flights the staff had agreed on, because Baron Thompson had announced that he would fly to India and back in R101 and considered his schedule inflexible.  The result was disaster.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2006  2:13 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Mike Ford: Occasional Works (Pt. Five) -- comment #21 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dyson essay in question was collected in <i>Imagined Worlds.</i> Highly recommended.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2006  2:33 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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