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      <description>This is another year-end roundup. The BBC News magazine has a regular feature called &quot;10 Things We Didn't Know Last...</description>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #1 from Tom S.</title>
         <description>comment from Tom S. on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun list.  But the main link isn't permanent (it goes to the letters section now). Try this one instead:</p>

<p>http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2006/12/100_things_we_didnt_know_last_2.shtml</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 11:22 AM by Tom S.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #2 from Joe J</title>
         <description>comment from Joe J on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet addiction? Hmmm. Maybe I should get back to work (if I can, that is).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 11:47 AM by Joe J&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #3 from Chryss</title>
         <description>comment from Chryss on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's keep that info about determined cats treeing bears away from my little guy Myrddin, OK? He's already walking around like a bad-ass, I don't need him deciding to take on a bear.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 11:55 AM by Chryss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #4 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tom. All fixed now.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 12:03 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #5 from DaveL</title>
         <description>comment from DaveL on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "20 words = 1/3 of speech" thing seems to be more or less true of English in general. Teenagers may have an impoverished vocabulary, but that statistic doesn't prove it.</p>

<p>The frequency of words appearing tails off <i>really</i> rapidly. What the BBC really wanted to look at was the size of their "use" vocabularies.</p>

<p>See <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003976.html" rel="nofollow">Language Log</a> for more on this than you can imagine.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 12:15 PM by DaveL&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #6 from David Wald</title>
         <description>comment from David Wald on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to Language Log, I recommend Ben Goldacre's Guardian column <a>Bad Science</a>.  He often targets sponsored "studies" like the 20-words bit, most recently on the <a href="http://www.badscience.net/?p=340" rel="nofollow">16th</a>.</p>

<p>Following the money: "Tesco, which commissioned the report, said it was responding by launching a scheme which allows all UK comprehensive schools to interact and communicate with other schools around the country using its internet phone technology."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 12:26 PM by David Wald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #7 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I'm wondering when a rapper is going to call  himself 'Tom Tit'.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006 12:49 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #8 from racy li</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! I love the note about the pre-Napoleonic war debts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  3:31 PM by racy li&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #9 from Jules</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"A geneticist, a philosopher and a chicken farmer" really, really ought to be the subject of a  joke. But the best I can think of is the old "is this some  kind  of joke?"  joke.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  3:31 PM by Jules&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #10 from Chris Clarke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, the BBC seems to be a bit slow on the uptake. Biologists have known of antegallinic eggs for more than a century. Not that saying so in this venue is anything but playing Captain Obvious.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  3:42 PM by Chris Clarke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #11 from Larry Brennan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chryss @ 3 - The cat in question is from New Jersey, and is a known associate of the Genovese crime family. Unless little Myrddin has been hanging out with an unsavory crowd, you don't have much to worry about.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  3:48 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #12 from Chryss</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, #11: Well we're pretty convinced Myrddin has clandestine poker parties when we're gone, and has some debts he's not telling us about, but I don't think he's actually involved with any Mafia family. On the other hand, I'm not willing to discount anything...the wee beastie's not well. </p>

<p>Handsome, yes; vain, most definitely; but really quite disturbed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  4:27 PM by Chryss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #13 from murgatroyd</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"A determined housecat can tree a bear."</p>

<p>After today, this doesn't surprise me -- one of my cats went to the vet for a quick visit, no needles, no thermometers, nothing invasive, just a once-over and a prescription. Easy, until some odor in the examining room (no doubt from a previous patient) got him agitated. </p>

<p>A hissing, yowling, 15-pound cat with all his claws and teeth is a fearsome thing (and not at all kind to eardrums in a confined space). </p>

<p>A tree to climb would have been a blessing. Maybe I'll suggest it the next time I'm there ...<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  4:28 PM by murgatroyd&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #14 from Aconite</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A determined housecat can tree a bear.</i></p>

<p>In the spirit of Xopher's noble effort in another thread to hold in the "But I have a boyfriend for that!" comment, I have--until now--refrained from mentioning what that could do for Kitten Poker. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  5:18 PM by Aconite&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #15 from Jen Roth</title>
         <description>comment from Jen Roth on 28.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language Log <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003979.html" rel="nofollow">weighs in</a> on several of these news items. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 28, 2006  7:57 PM by Jen Roth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #16 from Silverfox</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was old news that teenage girls tend to develop faster than teenage boys and therefore start dating sooner. So yes, it's the logical conclusion that they'd be dating older boys, but I don't see how that's news.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  4:25 AM by Silverfox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #17 from Virge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"90. The Himalayas cover one-tenth of the Earth's surface." <br />
What? By my estimates it's more like a tenth of a percent. The whole of Asia only covers 8.6% of the Earth's total surface. (I couldn't check their reference since the bbc site won't stream to non-UK locations.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  4:50 AM by Virge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #18 from Andrew  Brown</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC web science coverage is notorious for tabloid bullshit. We should all be ashamed of it in this country, and certainly not take seriously anything it reports.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  5:18 AM by Andrew  Brown&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #19 from Grant Barrett</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LanguageLog has more or less <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003979.html" rel="nofollow">debunked <i>all</i> of the langauge-related factoids</a> on the BBC's list. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  7:41 AM by Grant Barrett&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #20 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, next time the chicken/egg debate comes up, now I'll know the answer.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  8:40 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #21 from Carrie S.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, next time the chicken/egg debate comes up, now I'll know the answer.</i></p>

<p>You didn't already?</p>

<p>The chicken and the egg are in bed, and the egg rolls over and lights a cigarette.  The chicken says, "Well, I guess that answers <i>that</i> question."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 10:00 AM by Carrie S.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #22 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The full name of Barbie (as in the doll) is Barbie Millicent Roberts.</i></p>

<p>Then Millicent (?!) meets the cat who can tree a bear and I find myself thinking of Quentin Tarantino making a movie out of that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 10:17 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #23 from Georgiana</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mount Everest averages one death per ten successful ascents.</i></p>

<p>They're saying it's safer than it used to be?  In the early 90's I read that you only had a one in eight chance of getting through the Khumbu ice falls.  I actually had an Everest video game back in the day and my son's character got squashed by a serac 20 times in a row, at which point he gave up in disgust...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 10:18 AM by Georgiana&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #24 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virge: as I read the language, the Himalayas cover 1/10 off the land, not 1/10 of the surface -- hardly surprising, since the surface is ~70% water.</p>

<p>Georgianna: are the Khumbu ice falls on all of the multiple approaches to the summit? Note also that a video game is hardly a good metric; if they were easy, they'd be used up too quickly. Cf the Steve Jackson (text) version of MCFI's con-running game, in which your chance of winning a worldcon bid is \much/ less than in real life.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 10:54 AM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #25 from Paula Lieberman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The BBC web science coverage is notorious for tabloid bullshit. We should all be ashamed of it in this country, and certainly not take seriously anything it reports. </i></p>

<p>Did Rupert Murdoch buy it, too?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 12:16 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #26 from Charlie Stross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula #25: no, it's just that these days they just see themselves as being in competition with Murdoch, rather than setting standards.</p>

<p>Which makes things <em>so</em> much more convenient for the government ...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  3:42 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #27 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 <i> the egg rolls over and lights a cigarette</i></p>

<p>Oh, I forgot that one. Yep. that's a good one too. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  3:50 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #28 from Avedon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw on the news tonight that Britain just paid off it's WWII debt.  Still haven't paid off WWI, but no one seems to be collecting.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  7:25 PM by Avedon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #29 from Virge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip #24: "as I read the language, the Himalayas cover 1/10 off the land, not 1/10 of the surface -- hardly surprising, since the surface is ~70% water."</p>

<p>Accounting for land versus total surface only makes a difference of a factor of ~3. They're out by a factor of ~100. Has anyone seen the bbc nature show from which they supposedly extracted their factoid? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006  7:41 PM by Virge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #30 from David Goldfarb</title>
         <description>comment from David Goldfarb on 29.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgiana@23:  Are you sure that wasn't a one in eight chance of <i>dying</i> in the Khumbu, and a 7/8 chance of getting through?</p>

<p>I've just recently read Jon Krakauer's <b>Into Thin Air</b>, and he has a harrowing description of passing through them...but not <i>that</i> harrowing.  (The Discovery Channel miniseries <b>Everest: Beyond the Limit</b>, by contrast, pretty much glosses right over them.)</p>

<p>(I also watched the movie based on Krakauer's book.  After experiencing all this stuff about climbing Everest, I've made a resolution:  I'm <i>never doing that</i>.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 29, 2006 10:25 PM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:25:57 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #31 from rams</title>
         <description>comment from rams on 30.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Krakauer made the point that while the debacle he was part of was horrific, given the increased number of people allowed to climb Everest annually, it was statictically right on the money.  More climbers, more deaths.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 30, 2006 11:09 AM by rams&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What the BBC News learned this year -- comment #32 from Spherical Time</title>
         <description>comment from Spherical Time on 28.Jan.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only one that got me to click was Barbie's full name, but my favorite of these is Bush's fishing fortitude.</p>

<p>Thanks for bringing this to my attention.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 28, 2007  5:26 AM by Spherical Time&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:26:18 -0500</pubDate>
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