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      <description>I just got another telephone poll call. It was one of the &quot;Two question&quot; polls (there've been a lot of...</description>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #1 from P J Evans</title>
         <description>comment from P J Evans on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear Ghu, they ought to have a better handle on the candidates than <em>that</em>! (Is this possibly the same outfit that didn't know that New Mexico is a US state?)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 11:32 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #2 from cleek</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no mail, no calls, no commercials.</p>

<p>nobody gives a crap about primary voters in NC.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 11:36 AM by cleek&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #3 from Caroline</title>
         <description>comment from Caroline on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cleek @2, yeah, I know.  *grumbles and mumbles about a national primary just so my choices wouldn't be already picked for me before I even get a chance to say anything*</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:05 PM by Caroline&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #4 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A national primary would just mean that no one outside of New York and California would hear from anyone, and there'd be no chance of anyone who didn't start out with a multi-million-dollar-highest-bidder war chest being heard from at all.<br />
 </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:08 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #5 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, no one from CA hears from these guys anyway. Or at least we hadn't been, before this year, because we were so late in the primary season. They're still trying to ignore us, while they focus on Iowa and New Hampshire.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:16 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #6 from Allan Beatty</title>
         <description>comment from Allan Beatty on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Iowa, and before we disconnected the landline we got more calls for Clinton than anyone else.</p>

<p>Edwards is ahead in the mail ads, although most of them come from an independent group. I found it notable that one actually mentions support for the Second Amendment.</p>

<p>Richardson seems to be spending more than his poll numbers would indicate.</p>

<p>On the Republican side, Ron Paul seems to be doing well in the yard sign race in rural areas. His poll numbers are low, but perhaps this means the few supporters he does have are more committed. This could make a big difference if the weather is bad on caucus night.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:26 PM by Allan Beatty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #7 from mayakda</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phooey. Getting totally ignored by campaigners  here in PA. Although I've seen Ron Paul signs around.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:27 PM by mayakda&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #8 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why are both Gravel and Kucinich in the race? Don't they just help to further marginalize each other? And is Kucinich's support for Obama purely a fit of pique about Edwards and Clinton suggesting there were too many people in the debates?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 12:36 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #9 from albatross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James #4:  I see your point, and I don't have a good solution, but leaving most of the country with no chance of affecting the choice in either party doesn't seem like a great situation, either.  I have a feeling I'm going to go into a voting booth in November with a choice like Hillary vs Huckabee or Obama vs Romney or something.  And while I know how I'll vote in those cases, I'd kind of like at least the illusion that I get something besides a rubber stamp on what the first half dozen states decided.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  1:00 PM by albatross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #10 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about getting rid of the Electoral College?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  1:03 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #11 from Andrew</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think the electoral college has much influence on primaries.  Primaries are about selecting which party candidates will run the the actual election, which is where the electoral college is used.</p>

<p>Unless what you have in mind is having all state parties go to proportional representation of their party delegates.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  1:30 PM by Andrew&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #12 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One nice thing about Super Tuesday (5 February) is that after that date we're never going to hear of "Ron Paul" again.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  1:32 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #13 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Serge...would that we could.  But opening up the Constitution to make that change would cause a political (and perhaps literal) bloodbath, and a direct popular vote would cause effects similar to a single nationwide primary.</p>

<p>This early primary race has become absurd, though, and I'm not sure what can be done about it.  I like the idea of rotating waves of primaries, where 1/3 of the country casts their primary ballots in February, the next in May, and the last in August (or some other arrangement that keeps the primary out of high summer), and the next election cycle the ones who had August have February etc.  But that's unlikely to be implemented in our lifetime.</p>

<p>I'd just like to point out that at this point in 1992 I had never heard of Bill Clinton.  I barely knew who he was after the NH primary, in fact.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  1:34 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #14 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @ 13... Yeah. One can dream. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:00 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #15 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't gotten any mail or calls either.  I'm an Illinois democrat; maybe they just assume we're going for Obama?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:06 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #16 from Rachel Heslin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will @8</p>

<p><em>And is Kucinich's support for Obama purely a fit of pique about Edwards and Clinton suggesting there were too many people in the debates?</em></p>

<p>Personally, I think Kucinich backs Obama because they share a preference for idealistic optimism over cynical pragmatism (something which I, myself, think is a good thing.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:16 PM by Rachel Heslin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #17 from JESR</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul signs are everywhere here, almost all in places where it's illegal (and often stupidly dangerous) to place signs.</p>

<p>Yesterday I saw one within six inches of the breakdown land on I-5 in the 101 Junction area, which is possibly the most dangerous stretch of freeway in the state.</p>

<p>Also, I'm perfectly thrilled that candidates ignore my state in the primary season.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:22 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #18 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't noticed any advertising in Georgia, and we're a Super Tuesday state (but I expect that in about two weeks there will be a flurry of political adverts). On the other hand, I watch very little commercial television.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:25 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #19 from TChem</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No presidential-themed stuff here that I've seen in WI, though we've gotten a few letters from the Democratic Party asking for money, and a very odd political mailing set up like a Christmas card* from someone so sure they're a household name that they didn't bother saying who they were, or what they're running for.</p>

<p>If I knew who they were, and would still be in the state for the election, I would vote against them for displaying that level of ego.</p>

<p><br />
*One side of the postcard was a family picture. On the back was printed "Merry Christmas, from Joe, Penny, Sarah, and Jake"--Can't remember the real names. There was teeny writing along the bottom saying that it'd been paid for by a group with a frustratingly vague name.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:39 PM by TChem&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #20 from mayakda</title>
         <description>comment from mayakda on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot. I did get one robot phone poll weeks ago about our Cogressman (an R), which basically asked if I was going to vote R or D. I said D. Then the robot said Congressman(R) supports Preznit W. Does that make me more or less likely to vote for him. (duh)<br />
I guess that must have been a push poll, huh?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:45 PM by mayakda&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #21 from Ron Henry</title>
         <description>comment from Ron Henry on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, the pollster knew perfectly well what party Gravel belongs to. They were just hoping to confuse a few (few hundred; few thousand?) people who might support him in the Democratic primary. They played dumb when you called them on it because dumb probably seemed preferable to admitting their deceit. This type of call that messes with the voter's mind is kissin' cousin to the more usual "Would you be less likely to support candidate X if you knew he or she was doing shady activity Y?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  2:50 PM by Ron Henry&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #22 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on  2.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we elected Ron Paul, none of this would happen because . . .</p>

<p>OH MY GOD, I DON'T HAVE A COLD, I CAUGHT THE RON PAUL MEME!</p>

<p>Please, someone get me some Cipro before it's too</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  3:24 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #23 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>P J Evans @ 1</b><br />
<i>Is this possibly the same outfit that didn't know that New Mexico is a US state?</i></p>

<p>If they are, they are in numerous, if not good, company.  ISTR a poll 5 or 6 years ago that showed that 40% of all Americans thought New Mexico was not a part of the US. I'd be curious to see a geographical breakdown of that poll by state: were <i>any</i> of these bozos in Texas or Arizona for instance?  How about California (I'm taking bets on that one)?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  3:38 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #24 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>will shetterly @ 8</b></p>

<p><i>So why are both Gravel and Kucinich in the race?</i></p>

<p>Because both of them want badly to be President, and both are hoping for the kind of miracle that Clinton pulled off in '92.  The candidate pool is always large at first, and the narrowing down is subject to chance enough that it's at least possible that either one could beat out all the others, including Clinton and Obama.  Very unlikely in reality, of course, but the reward is huge for someone who wants power as badly as these dudes do.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  3:45 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #25 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce @ 23</p>

<p>You'd have to count me out of that poll: I've driven across NM twice, I have cousins there, and my father used to go to 'Albuquerque' on business occasionally.</p>

<p>(I'm pretty sure that people in Utah, Colorado, and Oklahoma also know where New Mexico is.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  3:47 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #26 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and there'd be no chance of anyone who didn't start out with a multi-million-dollar-highest-bidder war chest being heard from at all</i></p>

<p>So I hear from them on the radio, incidental to their campaigning at you in NH, but does it make any difference at all when they've dropped out of the race anyway by the time I get to vote?  Around here, we only hear about Clinton and Obama (multi-million war chests) anyway.  The only question is which will be pre-anointed by the time I get to mark a ballot, and which will be a truly wasted vote <i>because they won't even be in the race anymore</i>.</p>

<p>Harrumph.</p>

<p>I like Xopher's idea.  And I would like a pony.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:03 PM by Caroline&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #27 from Diatryma</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've missed the entire Iowa campaign thing.  No calls, no mail, nothing-- I'm in Iowa City and have seen meetings at coffeeshops, but most of it goes around me.  I'm heading into the caucus undecided.  This should be interesting.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:10 PM by Diatryma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #28 from Rick Owens</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a pleasant mental picture of John Cleese getting the above-mentioned sort of call, and responding thus:</p>

<p>Q: "Would you like to participate in a quick two question poll?"<br />
A: "Certainly!!!"</p>

<p>Q: "Are you planning to vote in the [name of party] primary?"<br />
A: "But of course!!!"</p>

<p>Q: "Who are you planning to vote for?"<br />
A: "Oh!  I'm sorry, you've just used up your 2 questions.  Now, if you had selected a *3* question poll, I could answer that question, but you didn't, did you?  Poor planning on your part sir!  Good day!"</p>

<p>Q: "What?"<br />
A: "I'm sorry, but 'What?' is technically a question, and thus answering it is, ha ha, out of the question.  Good day!"</p>

<p>... and so on.  (If they're going to waste our time, the least they can do is be amusing!)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:19 PM by Rick Owens&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #29 from Summer Storms</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen the <a href="http://www.billiondollarpresident.org/" rel="nofollow">www.billiondollarpresident.org</a> website or listened to the broadcast? I heard it a week or so ago on our local NPR station, and found it quite interesting.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:32 PM by Summer Storms&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #30 from Matt Stevens</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Heck of a thing when even the pollsters don’t know what ticket you’re running on.</i></p>

<p>I've worked on a number of telephone surveys, and and we never tested interviewers for their political knowledge. It's rarely necessary, since interviewers are supposed to follow a script closely and keep <i>ad libs</i> to a minimum.</p>

<p>Chances are that the interviewer saw a list of Democratic candidates on the computer screen and Gravel wasn't on it, so she assumed Gravel was a Republican.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:44 PM by Matt Stevens&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #31 from Matt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #22</p>

<p>Giving you the Cipro would interfere with the invisble hand of the market.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  4:59 PM by Matt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #32 from elizabeth</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was about 12 or 13 I helped my parents with a "get out the vote" phone thing. I was given a list of "known friendlies" and a script, and I dialed through them. I basically smiled and nodded when confronted with anything I wasn't familiar with. I'm not at all surprised the minimum wage or volunteer dialers aren't much better trained.</p>

<p>As an aside, living in California I may as well be living in in Canada. No one cares what we think. I'd love to get some dumb push poll calls just to suggest we actually exist on the political radar.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:01 PM by elizabeth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #33 from Pfusand</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We actually got a phone call from a live member of the Clinton campaign! It went to the answering machine, as just about everything does, so I've saved it. She was asking my husband if he'd like to go up to New Hampshire to work on the Clinton campaign, sometime between now and the 9th. (We live in Massachusetts.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:17 PM by Pfusand&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #34 from michelel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend says Kucinich is good to have in the race because he defines "crazy far left", which allows the other candidates to skew more left than they otherwise might without themselves being labelled "crazy far left".  I dunno if that applies to Gravel; I'd forgotten about him myself.</p>

<p>Maybe we could solve the selection dilemma this way:  a two-tier primary system.  The top 10 states (in terms of electoral votes) go second; the rest all go at the same time first.  That prevents California/New York from becoming the new Iowa/New Hampshire, and it forces candidates to decide where best to concentrate their efforts.  The breadth of that first round means that a larger variety could, in theory, still compete at "big state" time, while the ones who can't carry even one or two states get weeded out.  Not that it's ever gonna happen.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:28 PM by michelel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #35 from Allan Beatty</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James @ 12: What an unexpected note of optimism, coming from the person who gives us all the be-prepared-for-the-worst tips.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:33 PM by Allan Beatty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #36 from Kevin Riggle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be worse, Jim -- I had a guy who claimed to be from Biden's campaign try to convince me that Biden wasn't in favor of universal health care.  It's one thing not to know all the candidates in the race; it's another thing not to know where your candidate stands on a pretty major issue.  I suppose his main purpose was to make sure we were going to the caucus and knew where and when it was, and to try to recruit banner-carriers.</p>

<p>The phone has been ringing off the hook here (Iowa) -- at one point we got four calls in the span of a half-hour.  We've taken to hanging up on the robo-calls, but we at least give the live people the time of day, and we've collected the full set of the Democratic campaigns.  (Plus one very confused college student on the Ron Paul campaign, who I was a bit brusque to.)  </p>

<p>I'm still relatively undecided; I spent a chunk of yesterday reading up on the candidates' health care policy proposals, and today it'll be the Iraq war policies and everything else.  I tried watching one of the debates online, but it was worse than useless.  I want more detail, dammit.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:38 PM by Kevin Riggle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #37 from Brooks Moses</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in California, I actually did get someone caring what I thought -- but for the Illinois congressional seat left open by Dennis Hastert's resignation, not for anything to do with the presidential race.</p>

<p>Specifically, I got an email from a Bill Foster, who appears to be running on a platform of being a particle physicist, former businessman, and (as best I can tell from the email) entirely reasonable and sensible, and capable of hiring a campaign staff that can write intelligently to people who are assumed to be intelligent.  Basically, he was asking for campaign contributions, and I suspect he got the email list either from the American Physical Society or something along those lines.  (Probably not actually the APS, as I don't think they give out email lists for such, but I could be wrong.)</p>

<p>And, yes, it was spam asking for me to forward it to other people, but I can forgive a lot when it's phrased as "P.S. spreading the word by forwarding this email to others in the scientific and academic community will be exponentially helpful."<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  5:46 PM by Brooks Moses&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #38 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just checked the stats on the candidates in New Hampshire here:</p>

<p>http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/new-hampshire.html</p>

<p>If it's accurate, Gravel's invisible, so it's no surprise the interviewer hadn't heard of him. Kucinich is barely a blip either.</p>

<p>Rachel @ 16: I'm a proud idealist, too. That's why I think the candidates' rhetoric matters, even if they don't follow through: Edwards talks a progressive agenda, and Obama adopts conservative memes on things like social security. Edwards broadens the debate; Obama narrows it. This just doesn't seem good to me.</p>

<p>Bruce @ 24: Ego is part of being a US politician. I think Gravel and Kucinich are both sincere, and this does give them a chance to talk about issues the Democrats are generally willing to ignore. But the effect is that they divide the 2-3% of liberals who are willing to take them seriously.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  6:13 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #39 from C. Wingate</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is going to care much about us (MD) presidentially, I imagine, but there will be a lot of attention because the congressional seat is certain to be hotly contested in the primary.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  6:40 PM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #40 from Thena</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering who the hell Mike Gravel was and why nobody in southern NH was campaigning for any of the (known-to-me) Democrats.</p>

<p>(We made a road trip to Nashua via Exeter last month and somewhere in the middle started seeing wall to wall Mike Gravel campaign signs.  Looked at each other and asked in unison, "Who the hell is Mike Gravel?")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  6:47 PM by Thena&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #41 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravel doesn't get included in the straw poll Patrick put in his Sidelights.</p>

<p>So far my vote went to Edwards, not a surprise that Dodd isn't in the running.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  6:50 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #42 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never heard his name until this thread.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  6:50 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #43 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Gravel because of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8" rel="nofollow">his</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwizmuCnOw" rel="nofollow">wacky</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SQusLdlpE" rel="nofollow">ads</a>, and his propensity for telling the other democratic candidates that they're living in a fantasy world. Other than that, I don't know much about him.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  7:01 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #44 from Evan Goer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Giving you the Cipro would interfere with the invisble hand of the market."</p>

<p>Couldn't he just indenture himself to some kind master in exchange for the Cipro? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  7:09 PM by Evan Goer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #45 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher:  He made some splash after the debates (he did better than most of them, but he's not one of the kewl-kids ideas of electable...).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  7:18 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #46 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I know of Gravel, he makes John McCain's Straight Talk Express look like the fraud it is.  Gravel has a lot of home truths he wants to express (Out of Iraq Now is the one that sticks in my head), and he's pretty blunt about it.  Alaska fired him and hired Ted Stevens, which says nothing good about Alaskan voters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  7:53 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #47 from Steve C.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pushing 50 is nothing compared to pulling it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  8:11 PM by Steve C.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #48 from fidelio</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IJWTS I miss the League of Women Voters-managed debates of my youth.</p>

<p>The candidates hated them--they were asked meaningful questions of actual significance to voters, and they were expected to give genuine answers. The League also had a nasty tendency to invite all the candidates, too. Good times, good times.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  8:23 PM by fidelio&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #49 from Epacris</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve C @ 47, is that comment meant to be a contribution to the <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009772.html" rel="nofollow">Intimations of mortality</a> thread?  Or is it related to your country having 50 States?? (As a durty furriner from far away, I'm otherwise veering wide of this discussion.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  8:39 PM by Epacris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #50 from Jeliza</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ron Paul signs are *everywhere* in our part of Seattle. (Except for the corners owned by the LaRouchies)  Until I found out who he was, my mind kept hopefully misreading them as RuPaul for President.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008  9:48 PM by Jeliza&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #51 from B. Durbin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly dislike how blinking <i>long</i> the political season is. (And don't you wish "political season" had a different meaning? Ah, but there my cynical side is showing through.) We've been hearing about these candidates since <i>last spring</i> (and feelers from before them.)</p>

<p>Since I'm unaffiliated, I tend to watch the primaries with bemusement, and go and vote on the issues that proliferate on the California ballots like maggots. (When in doubt, vote "no." I'm sorry, the state is <i>broke</i>.)</p>

<p>I look forward to the winnowing of the candidates, if for no other reason than I might actually have the energy to look up their records and see where they actually stand, rather than where they <i>say</i> they stand. Political fatigue indeed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 10:19 PM by B. Durbin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #52 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B Durbin @ 51</p>

<p>And the props that aren't openly about spending money tend to be poorly thought out, when they aren't actually insane. (Been looking at them for far too many years, sorry.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 10:32 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #53 from A.J.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will @ 38:</p>

<p>I can see why you might not like what Obama's been saying about healthcare, but I don't agree with you that Obama narrows the terms of political debate.  I used to live in his (state) senate district, and I've seen firsthand:  the guy has a real talent for making the system address topics that aren't part of the normal political discourse.</p>

<p>Which is to say, I'm not too worried about how he's positioned himself in the election.  I think he'll be at least as effective at moving progressive legislation through Congress as anyone else running.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  2, 2008 11:02 PM by A.J.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #54 from Matt Austern</title>
         <description>comment from Matt Austern on  3.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I would've been even less sympathetic if I'd gotten a letter from a particle physicist saying that my support would be "exponentially helpful." One of my linguistic pet peeves is seeing "exponentially" used as a synonym for "very". I can almost forgive that usage when I see it from journalists who haven't ever met a transcendental function and haven't ever been told that the word has any specific meaning, but seeing it from someone who ought to know what it means... Horrors. It's like seeing a <i>New Yorker</i> article using "disinterested" for "uninterested". </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008 12:36 AM by Matt Austern&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Austern @ #54: <i>One of my linguistic pet peeves is seeing "exponentially" used as a synonym for "very".</i></p>

<p>I don't think that it was, in this case. I understood it to be referring to the fact that forwarding the message to multiple people would be of ongoing and multiplying helpfulness (assuming that each of those people did likewise).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008 12:51 AM by Paul A.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt @54: The number of people who read and respond to that e-mail should in fact follow an exponential (well, really sigmoidal) curve if people do forward it as he asks them to.  ("Sigmoidally helpful" just doesn't have the same ring to it.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  1:23 AM by Kevin Riggle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, #55: I'm with you; I think it was a very precise and correct usage of "exponentially". If each recipient were to send it to just <i>two</i> new people, that would be an exponential function. (One must, of couse, allow for the effects of duplication in the acquaintanceships of the recipients, but that's a quibble.) <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  1:28 AM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #58 from Brooks Moses</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt @54: Yes, but in this case, if I forward it to (on average) X friends, and they forward it to (on average) X friends, then it _is_ exponential in the true scientific sense.  After N iterations, it's reached X^N people.</p>

<p>And that's why I considered it a good thing, rather than a bad thing -- he used it _correctly_.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  2:34 AM by Brooks Moses&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #59 from Brooks Moses</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Hah.  I'd say, "That'll teach me to write posts before reading the rest of the thread," except I suspect it won't actually do that.  Still, I didn't mean to add to a dogpile -- and it's certainly true that it's often misused in that sort of phrase; that's why I was entertained by its being a correct usage.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  2:39 AM by Brooks Moses&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #60 from heresiarch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Heslin @ 16: <i>"Personally, I think Kucinich backs Obama because they share a preference for idealistic optimism over cynical pragmatism (something which I, myself, think is a good thing.)"</i></p>

<p>I prefer idealistic pragmatism myself. This is why I back Edwards.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  3:52 AM by heresiarch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #61 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R*n P*ul is starting to cost me friends who have been swept away by enthusiasm for presidential politics. I can only hope that they'll come to their senses after the election and realize that friendships are more important than politics.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  4:48 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #62 from mayakda</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Bloomberg on tv (nbc) today sounding like he's definitely going to run. None of the current contenders are up to snuff, according to his richness.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  9:39 AM by mayakda&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #63 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Earl Cooley III @ 61</b></p>

<p>I would hope they come to their senses and recognize that reality is more important than politics.  I enjoy reading fantasy, but living in it isn't quite so much fun.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  9:52 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #64 from Summer Storms</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt @ 54: Actually, <i>disinterested</i> can indeed mean the same as <i>uninterested</i>: indifferent, not interested. It is commonly used to convey that meaning (the American Heritage and Random House dictionaries back me up on this) and n fact, that was the original meaning of the word, going back to the 17th century.</p>

<p>/nitpick mode</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  2:04 PM by Summer Storms&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #65 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summer Storms, #64: I was thinking about that just the other day in a different context, and it occurred to me that I've heard "disinterested" being used to mean "not just uninterested, but actively hostile". This is an entirely separate usage from "not having a stake in the outcome". <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  3:04 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #66 from lightning</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#50 Jeliza --</p>

<p>I'd vote for RuPaul in a New York minute.  Especially if he* were running against R-n P--l.</p>

<p>* He?  She?  What's the correct pronoun here?  Modern life is complicated.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  4:49 PM by lightning&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #67 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  3.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's score: A flyer each from Richardson, Obama, and Edwards.  A "non-partisan" flyer that only listed Democrats.  A phonecall each from the Edwards and Clinton folks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  7:42 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #68 from Madison Guy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iowa and New hampshire suck. Since they're mostly about poll flogging, ad dollars, press preening, and Ordeal by Sleep Deprivation and Total Exhaustion on the candidate side, there must be a better way. Why not try this? <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2008/01/caucuses-suck-modest-proposal-for.html" rel="nofollow">A Modest Proposal</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008  8:28 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #69 from B. Durbin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P J Evans @ 52: Why sorry? I agree totally. If you know anything about how to parse a sentence, you figure out quite swiftly that most propositions are a hash. (This explains why the last attempt to "fix" eminent domain failed so badly; the voters of California ARE actually smart enough to figure out that it was written so that the stated intent and the actual result were not the same thing.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  3, 2008 10:53 PM by B. Durbin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #70 from Kevin Riggle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lightning @66: I prefer the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun" rel="nofollow">Spivak pronouns</a> for cases such as these, but YMMV.  Your statement would be "Especially if ey was running against R-n P--n."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  4, 2008 12:22 AM by Kevin Riggle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #71 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  5.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's flyers:  Two Edwards, one Clinton.</p>

<p>One poll last night. Told the pollster I was definitely voting for Ron Paul.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  5, 2008 10:33 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #72 from Alan Braggins</title>
         <description>comment from Alan Braggins on  6.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd never heard of Mike Gravel before this thread, but a <a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html" rel="nofollow">which candidate matches your views quiz</a> shows him as my closest fit. I haven't heard him mentioned on the news since reading this either. I do have the excuse that I'm not an American, so won't be voting no matter how much or little I know about the candidates (I only filled the quiz in out of curiosity).<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  7:00 AM by Alan Braggins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #73 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  6.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Gravel had a front-page profile in the Union Leader yesterday, with a color photo.  True, it was below the fold, but it was most of the area below the fold.</p>

<p>That might have been the Union Leader saying to WMUR and Fox that this guy is, indeed, a candidate, and who are <i>they</i> to exclude him from the primary.</p>

<p>Yesterday's phone calls:  Two Edwards, one Clinton, one Obama, one Opinion Research.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008 10:04 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #74 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B Durbin @ 69</p>

<p>I'm tempted to send you the one from the city of LA, on revising the utility tax.<br />
They've 'discovered' DSL, VoIP, and Blackberries, and think they're missing out on a major revenue source: they want to trade taxing all the accesses to the Internet (many of which are <em>already</em> taxed) in return for reducing the tax rate from 10% to 9%. (The increase in revenue is supposed to be used for more police officers. We've heard <em>that</em> one before, and somehow it never works out that way.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008 11:05 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #75 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  6.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got a live-person pro-McCain call, and a pro-McCain/anti-Huckabee robo-push-poll (from Common Sense Issues, which claims "not to be affiliated with any candidate.")  Bizarrely, the robo-call asked if I had a favorable opinion of Governor Sununu.  </p>

<p>((That's reaching a while back--let's see if McCain comes up with an endorsement from ex-Governor Sununu (famous for <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE4DA1739F934A25755C0A967958260" rel="nofollow">abusing his Washington job as Bush I's Chief of Staff</a> to have a government driver take him from DC to a stamp auction in NYC, among other things).  Sununu's son, now-Senator Sununu, was the beneficiary of the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601712.html" rel="nofollow">New Hampshire Phone Jamming scandal</a>, for which a Republican operative went to jail.)</p>

<p>Doyle got a recorded call from some governor who's pro-McCain.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  6:17 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #76 from ethan</title>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  6:43 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #77 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I just got a human pro-Ron-Paul call.  Assured him I was going to vote for Ron Paul.</p>

<p>[UPDATE] ...and just now a call from the Edwards people!  First Democrats of the day!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  7:42 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #78 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, some governor.  Doyle doesn't remember which one.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  7:43 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #79 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad, I'd be interested. For some reason.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  7:57 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #80 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  6.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And ... just got a robo-call attacking "Washington insider" Clinton on health care{!].  Claimed to have been paid for by John Edwards for President.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  6, 2008  9:12 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #81 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  7.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video from CNN</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/07/roth.nh.contrarian.yankee.cnn" rel="nofollow">N.H.'s contrarian Yankees"</a>.</p>

<blockquote>New Hampshire voters are sick of the political process -- but they still want to go first. CNN's Richard Roth reports</blockquote>

<p>I note that, based on their video, they managed to get as far as a whole twenty miles from the Massachusetts border.</p>

<p><br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008  9:15 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #82 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  7.Jan.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's mail: two Hillary fliers.  One phone call so far, live person from the Edwards campaign.  The script used the word "change" at least eight times, and didn't blend it in too well.  Caller asked me if I knew that Edwards was the only candidate who hadn't accepted campaign contributions from Big Pharma.  Me:  "What about Ron Paul?  He hasn't accepted them."  Caller:  "Ron Paul is close..." then went back to his script.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008  1:45 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another robo-call from the Edwards people, a Manchester city councilman telling me that to win the Presidency the Democrats have to win Ohio, and the only Democratic candidate who wins in the polls in head-to-head match-ups with every Republican candidate is Edwards.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008  5:21 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #84 from EClaire</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in Illinois, I'm loving these updates from the front lines of the primaries...  I just wish anyone was trying to persuade me.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008  7:03 PM by EClaire&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest:</p>

<p>Robo-call from the Ron Paul people reminding us that the primary is tomorrow.</p>

<p>Robo-call from the Huckabee people, reminding us that "'Massachusetts Mitt' Romney" is soft on abortion.</p>

<p>Human from the Obama campaign reminding us that the primary is tomorrow and asking if we need help getting to the polls.</p>

<p>Robo-call from the Ron Paul people asking who we were planning to vote for.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008 10:23 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #86 from Madeline F</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing it home, Jim!  I had forgotten the joy of continuous robocalls.  New Hampshire and Iowa seemed like vague places I'd never be.  Your blogging makes the political process seem more real and interesting!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008 10:52 PM by Madeline F&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #87 from Tania</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my drive out to the woods I saw a R*n P**l sign at the end of a driveway. Just outside of an incorporated part of the state. I'm betting that person hauls their garbage to the transfer station as they drive into the borough, probably to work. I do have some libertarian leanings, and I respect the constitution, but those people... yeesh. RP has a very excitable following up here in the frozen north.</p>

<p>As someone who lives in a state taken for granted as being R, I want to add in my thanks for the updates.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008 11:07 PM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #88 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Robo-call from the Ron Paul people asking who we were planning to vote for.</i></p>

<p>Did you tell it that you'd be voting for RuPaul?  "I think she's really hot..."<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2008 11:18 PM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #89 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It ain't over yet.</p>

<p>A Hillary flyer in the mail.  Just got a robo-call for Ron Paul (this one was Ron's wife, talking about his children and grandchildren).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008 11:45 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #90 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A human call from the Obama people, reminding us that today is Primary Day.</p>

<p>Human call for Edwards.</p>

<p>Human call for Obama, asking if anyone needed a ride to the polls.</p>

<p>Flyer for Hillary.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008 12:38 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #91 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, to lightning @66, Google seems to give the consensus that RuPaul is okay with being referred to with both male and female pronouns.  So, pick one, or switch back and forth as it takes your fancy.  (Or I suppose you could do gender-neutral pronouns -- "ze" and "hir" seem to be the ones settled on in my circle of friends, for those who prefer to use gender-neutral pronouns about themselves.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  1:04 PM by Caroline&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #92 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline 91: I'm less concerned about their wanting to be gender-neutral than about their referring to themselves in the third person.</p>

<p>Except on the lunatic fringe of radical feminism*, 'I', 'me', 'my', and 'mine' are considered gender-neutral.</p>

<p><br />
*Back in the 1970s I actually read a paper by a woman who claimed that 'I' was gender-specific because it was phallic.  She typed it with a slash through it**, the castrating bitch!***</p>

<p>**No doubt she now thinks that the impossibility of doing this in HTML is part of a patriarchal conspiracy.  </p>

<p>***I am JOKING about this.  Ha ha, slash?  Through the phallic symbol?  No?  Oh, well.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  1:14 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #93 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher, you know what I mean.  *sticks out tongue* </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  2:02 PM by Caroline&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #94 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tongue is a phallic symbol!  Help, help, patriarchal conspiritress* in the thread!  </p>

<p>(Yes, of course I do.  Just too much fun to pass up.)</p>

<p><br />
*Well, it oughta be.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  2:11 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #95 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline, #91: You may find <a href="http://www.bignewsday.com/story.asp?code=BZ345203T&news=yo_being_used_as_gender-neutral_pronoun" rel="nofollow">this</a> to be interesting. Apparently there is at least one area of the US which is developing its own spontaneous gender-neutral pronoun. </p>

<p>All it will take is one popular DJ or one character on a TV show... </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  3:00 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #96 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Xopher @92:</strong><br />
<em>Back in the 1970s I actually read a paper by a woman who claimed that 'I' was gender-specific because it was phallic.</em></p>

<p>So we should use the Dutch formal second person to balance it out.  U.  Nice and yonic*.</p>

<p>-----<br />
* The fact that I even <em>know</em> a word like "yonic" is due, of course, to attending UC Berkeley in the late 1980's and early 1990's.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  3:31 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #97 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One human call from Edwards.</p>

<p>One robo-call from Ron Paul.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  3:37 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #98 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @ 92... Abi @ 96... What that person make of San Francisco's Koit Tower, which resides on top of a hill?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  3:48 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #99 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is often said that it was not built just because she liked firemen just for their conversation...</p>

<p>(It's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coit_Tower" rel="nofollow">Coit</a>, BTW)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  4:19 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #100 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi @ 99... <i>it was not built just because she liked firemen just for their conversation...</i></p>

<p>...and no interruptions were allowed?</p>

<p>As for the misspelling, I blame the Bay Area's FM station for it, but I'll still shamble away in shame and in embarassment.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  4:31 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #101 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher #92: <em>*Back in the 1970s I actually read a paper by a woman who claimed that 'I' was gender-specific because it was phallic. She typed it with a slash through it**, the castrating bitch!***<br />
**No doubt she now thinks that the impossibility of doing this in HTML is part of a patriarchal conspiracy.<br />
***I am JOKING about this. Ha ha, slash? Through the phallic symbol? No? Oh, well.</em></p>

<p>Well, there's always this symbol, if you're desperate: <a href="http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/00a6/index.htm" rel="nofollow">¦</a><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:04 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #102 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @ 92</p>

<p>Someone should have told her she was looking at it in the wrong direction (like 'It's not phallic at all. It's really feminine.'). I don't know what the results would have been, but the confusion should have been wonderful to behold.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:08 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #103 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P J 102: It couldn't have been me, though.  She wouldn't have had a conversation with me, because I'm tainted by <strike>Original Sin</strike> a Y chromosome.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:19 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #104 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher, she'd have stopped talking to <em>me</em> after a few minutes, because I'd have given her my opinion of that kind of non-thinking.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:31 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #105 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi #96 wrote: "The fact that I even <i>know</i> a word like "yonic" is due, of course, to attending UC Berkeley in the late 1980's and early 1990's."</p>

<p>I know it, and I only spent one day on the Berzekeley campus....</p>

<p>(I burst into laughter on a bus, years ago, reading Anthony Burgess's <i>Earthly Powers</i>, when he introduced a villanous character named "Mahalingam".)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:38 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #106 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally prefer doric columns to ionic ones.<br />
("<i>Yonic</i>, not ionic.")<br />
Oh. Nevermind.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  5:45 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bad News for Mike Gravel -- comment #107 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi @ 96: <i>The fact that I even know a word like "yonic" is due, of course, to attending UC Berkeley in the late 1980's and early 1990's.</i></p>

<p>I only know the word because I spend time with <a href="http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald/lit/heroine_barbarian.html" rel="nofollow">frighteningly literate filkers.</a><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  8, 2008  7:40 PM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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