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      <description>Yes, it&amp;#8217;s another attempt to re-invent book publishing. A fine thing. Experimenting is good. Many things about this industry seem...</description>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #1 from Chris Gerrib</title>
         <description>comment from Chris Gerrib on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a chuckle from your last paragraph. It does amaze me the<br />
number of people in journalism who are ignorant of publishing. I mean,<br />
surely SOMEBODY in this guy's own newsroom has written a book or two...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  2:51 PM by Chris Gerrib&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #2 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>trade book publishing, an industry whose largest companies are, of course, headquartered in Tibet, Antarctica</i></p>

<p>How are the yak butter and the penguin omelettes this year?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:03 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #3 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Serge @2</strong>:<br /><br />
<em>How are the yak butter and the penguin omelettes this year?</em></p>

<p>I heard the polar bears got half and the kangaroos the rest, so no humans were able to report.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:19 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #4 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can honestly say that I haven't read the <i>Times</i> in <b>years</b>, and that at this point anything I read there would require checking a <i>credible</i> source.  They've completely pissed away all credibility as far as I'm concerned.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:24 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #5 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Dan Poynter doesn't already have those misleading and ignorant quotes from the <i>Times</i> prominently displayed on his webpage, it's because he hasn't yet gotten out of bed.</p>

<p>I know I'm going to be hearing them from vanity presses and self-publishing enthusiasts for <i><b>years</b></i>.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:39 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #6 from Clifton Royston</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don't even have to be in the industry to know that, you just have to be generally interested in writing.</p>

<p>As a parenthetical note, is it childish of me to think that "adult<br />
books division of the Walt Disney company" was an infelicitous choice<br />
of words? Maybe its an age thing, but I remember when "adult books"<br />
unambiguously meant <strong>SMUT</strong>.  One would think they might have rephrased to avoid that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:43 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #7 from Carrie V.</title>
         <description>comment from Carrie V. on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why errors like this get into the discussion. Publishing<br />
really can be so darned cryptic. When I try to explain the finer points<br />
to people, it starts sounding like the poker game in "A Piece of the<br />
Action." (But the royalties only get paid after the reserve against<br />
returns has been taken out, otherwise the statements are issued twice a<br />
year, December and June, but we don't actually see them until March or<br />
September, or sometimes April or October...)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  3:56 PM by Carrie V.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #8 from Jon Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I emailed them a letter to the editor to that effect earlier today.</p>

<p>One of the things highlighted by l'affaire Jayson Blair was that the mighty <i>New York Times</i> does not use fact checkers - it's entirely up to the individual reporters to get their facts straight.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:03 PM by Jon Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #9 from janeyolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er 15%? What authors get 15% without a good agent and rising<br />
royalties that only kick in after the book has sold a gadzillion<br />
copies, oh--and selling en masse to places like Wal-Mart and<br />
Books-A-Million and B&amp;N don't count as the publisher is getting<br />
less than 50% of the cover price and therefore the author slips back to<br />
8% or 5% or whatever.</p>

<p>I spit on your 15%.</p>

<p>Jane Yolen</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #10 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a native New Yorker, I was raised on a steady diet of NY papers (a menu that shrank over the <b>years</b>). I clung to my NYT for <b>years</b>, forcing my family to send packages of the papers (week in review and the book review) to me in vet school. </p>

<p>Then I moved to the DC area, and discovered the Washington Post:<br />
better than the NYT and with comics. It was no contest. I leaped and<br />
never looked back. </p>

<p>I admit, I do peruse the Times online, mainly to see what the<br />
"local" news is. They even mention my home town every once in a while. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:12 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #11 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>abi</b> @ 3... <i>I heard the polar bears got half and the kangaroos the rest</i></p>

<p>Those Tibetan preyer mills have been working overtime, eh?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:16 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #12 from Richard Anderson</title>
         <description>comment from Richard Anderson on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm under the impression that many publishers now base royalties on<br />
net revenue--that is, the money actually received from books<br />
sold--rather than retail price. Perhaps the reporter confused the<br />
concept of net revenue with that of profit....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:22 PM by Richard Anderson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #13 from Sean P. Fodera</title>
         <description>comment from Sean P. Fodera on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s a shame that the New York Times has such limited resources<br />
that it can’t afford to hire reporters or fact-checkers who know<br />
anything about trade book publishing</em></p>

<p>They wouldn't have needed to spend a penny to check this fact. The<br />
New York Times Company has its own book publishing arm, so all they<br />
needed to do was talk to the person in charge of their book operations,<br />
located on the premises of the newspapers headquarters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:23 PM by Sean P. Fodera&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #14 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ginger</b> @ 10... <i>the Washington Post: better than the NYT and with comics</i></p>

<p>Comics are a plus. (Mutt &amp; Jeff still around?) Anyway, why does<br />
anybody still take the NYT seriously? aren't they the ones who<br />
published Judith Whatshername's rahrah BS support for going to war in<br />
Iraq?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:23 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #15 from Martin Wisse</title>
         <description>comment from Martin Wisse on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last paragraph is so Patrick that you don't need a byline.</p>

<p>As for this new re-invention attempt, the fact that they're talking<br />
about a fifty-fifty split on profits raises enough danger signs to know<br />
it's neither a power grab nor brave new initiative, but most likely<br />
some sort of borderline legal scam. <br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:35 PM by Martin Wisse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #16 from Martin Wisse</title>
         <description>comment from Martin Wisse on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I've read the article, it's obvious why no fact checking was employed. This was a rewritten press release.</p>

<p>I recommend Nick Davies _Flat Earth News_ for anybody still<br />
harbouring illusions about the press. It's an insider account from a<br />
veteran British journalist/editor that amongst other things exposes how<br />
much this sort of thing happens.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:40 PM by Martin Wisse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #17 from Madison Guy</title>
         <description>comment from Madison Guy on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord. I skimmed Rich's article so quickly when I read it online<br />
that my mind just filled in the blanks, substituting sales for profits,<br />
etc. Yikes. And this is the NYT, the one daily that still has a large<br />
print edition staff. But it's just a shell of its former self in so<br />
many ways. It's all Web 2.0 now, baby, and we're on our own.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:53 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #18 from John Scalzi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the actual idea of the imprint:</p>

<p>How is not offering advances and not allowing bookstores to return<br />
books any different when it's HarperCollins and not PublishAmerica? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  4:53 PM by John Scalzi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #19 from Madison Guy</title>
         <description>comment from Madison Guy on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the 50-50 split of profits actually being proposed by Harper<br />
Collins? Doesn't that open up that wonderful old Pandora's Box of<br />
Hollywood accounting practices? It would seem the only authors to whom<br />
this could possibly be advantageous would be mega-bestsellers with<br />
large legal and accounting staffs on retainer. Wouldn't everyone else<br />
be better off self-publishing and going for 100% of the profits, if any?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  5:04 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #20 from janni</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper claims to be unhappy about paying large advances ... as if<br />
it's someone else who decided, and not the company itself, to inflate<br />
those advances.</p>

<p>I'm not seeing how an author who already can command an obscenely<br />
large advance would agree to a contract under the terms of this new<br />
imprint anyway. So it's the authors getting smaller advances, or not<br />
yet selling at all, who are likely to be published there.</p>

<p>Which makes this look like another way of paying low-end writers<br />
less, rather than of spending less on high-end writers as the article<br />
tries to imply.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  5:29 PM by janni&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #21 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9, Jane Yolen: The "15%" seemed like an acceptable oversimplification.  In fact <em>hardcover</em><br />
royalties in standard adult trade publishing are generally 10% of list<br />
price for the first 5,000 copies sold, 12.5% for the next 5,000, and<br />
15% after that. In other words, after you sell through 10,000 copies,<br />
you're getting 15%.</p>

<p>#7, Carrie V.: Yes, reserves against returns are confusing, and open<br />
to abuse, but the basic principle seems fair: publishers shouldn't have<br />
to pay royalties on sold books which then, through the miracle of<br />
returnability, become magically unsold. So publishers hold back<br />
royalties for a little while to make sure that <em>shipped</em> copies are actually <em>sold</em> copies.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  5:31 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #22 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19, Madison Guy, re paying a percentage of "profits": <em>"Doesn't that open up that wonderful old Pandora's Box of Hollywood accounting practices?"</em></p>

<p>Well, yes. Which is an excellent defense of the current system of<br />
just paying a percentage of list price, regardless of the discount at<br />
which the consumer purchased it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  5:33 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #23 from Chris Gerrib</title>
         <description>comment from Chris Gerrib on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalzi @ 17 - Like iUniverse?  Good question.  One would <b>hope</b> that HarperCollins would actually like, edit the books and otherwise do some screening.</p>

<p>Not sure I should be holding my breath on that...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  5:50 PM by Chris Gerrib&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #24 from C.E. Petit</title>
         <description>comment from C.E. Petit on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I respectfully point out — hell, none too respectfully at all —<br />
that this isn't new? The "new" proposed program at Harper Collins is <b>exactly</b><br />
how the English publishing industry worked between the incorporation of<br />
the Company of Stationers in 1566 and the final decision of the House<br />
of Lords against the "natural right" theory of copyright in 1789. It<br />
was often the same splits; it was the same concept of splitting profits<br />
rather than proceeds; it included the absence of an advance; it was<br />
based on nonreturnable goods...</p>

<p>... but there is one difference: accounting. In the early English<br />
publishing industry, publishers didn't have the in-house expertise of<br />
Twentieth Century Fox in creatively ensuring that there will be no (or<br />
at least minimal) profits to share.* (Remember who owns Harper<br />
Collins.) Neither did publishers have the industry "tradition" that<br />
allows the publisher to hold money for 270 days with no penalty before<br />
giving the author her miserly share; at least in theory, they paid up<br />
every month. The six-month-plus-ninety-days-to-pay royalty cycle only<br />
came into being around the time of the great battle between Sarjeant<br />
and Macauley over extending the copyright term... in the 1830s.</p>

<p>"New." "Improved." And no surprise at all. [<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=963o0wHwhEU" rel="nofollow">insert chorus here</a>] </p>

<p>* Additional, disturbing note: A source inside the Newscorp empire<br />
has indicated to me a preference for WFH for the new program.<br />
Clarification today (or, rather, unclarification) made it murky whether<br />
that means "contracts offered will assert WFH" or "we intend to acquire<br />
works under a WFH basis." The difference is subtle linguistically, but<br />
radical in practice and legally.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #25 from Daniel Martin</title>
         <description>comment from Daniel Martin on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, revolutionary change is truly, truly rare. What's much<br />
more common is small, incremental changes year after year that<br />
eventually trickle down into something that moves sideways and suddenly<br />
appears revolutionary because everyone was looking somewhere else.</p>

<p>Want to observe revolutionary change in the way publishing is done?<br />
Stop observing the publishing industry, and ignore related business<br />
areas too, for a decade or so. Then come back, and if you're lucky<br />
there will have been a revolution, but not of the kind you predicted if<br />
you were so foolish as to predict what would happen ahead of time.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Patrick</b> @ 21... That being said, Jane Yolen's <i>I spit on your 15%</i><br />
sounds like the title of a wonderfully cheesy 1970s movie about the<br />
sordid world of publishing, with Pam Grier as the wronged author out<br />
for revenge.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>janni@20:</p>

<p>"...I am prepared to offer £50 for the name and address of a<br />
literary agent who is capable of getting the better of a publisher. I<br />
am widely acquainted with publishers and literary agents, and though I<br />
have often met publishers who have got the better of literary agents, I<br />
have never yet met a literary agent who has come out on top of a<br />
publisher. Such a literary agent is badly wanted. I have been looking<br />
for him for <b>years</b>.<br />
I know a number of authors who would join me in enriching that literary<br />
agent. The publishers are always talking about him. I seldom go into a<br />
publisher's office but that literary agent has just left (gorged with<br />
illicit gold). It irritates me that I cannot run across him. If i were<br />
a publisher, he would have been in prison ere now. Briefly, the manner<br />
in which certain prominent publishers, even clever ones, talk about<br />
literary agents is silly." - Arnold Bennett, 1908</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  6:14 PM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CE Petit @24:</strong></p>

<p>WFH = work for hire?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  6:15 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #29 from Dena Shunra</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, another dangling big-win carrot in front of writers with little business sense scam.</p>

<p>50% of *profits*? And who defines which expenses are written off before those profits? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  6:21 PM by Dena Shunra&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, even when textbook publishers (or publishers<br />
who have historically been textbook publishers) pay on the net<br />
receipts, they are still not paying on the profits. Even (very<br />
respectfully) taking C.E. Petit's point about accounting, I shudder to<br />
think what authors would actually receive if the publisher's overhead,<br />
calculated to minimize publisher costs and maximize profits, was<br />
deducted before authors were paid. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  6:43 PM by Debbie Notkin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #31 from Andrew Wheeler</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of not paying advances and splitting the proceeds isn't<br />
even new in recent, big-company publishing: Vanguard (an imprint of<br />
Perseus run by my old boss, Roger Cooper) has been doing exactly that<br />
for several <b>years</b>. They even published the US trade edition of Greg Bear's novel <i>Quantico</i>.</p>

<p>I do detect a strong whiff of that ol' Internet snake oil about this<br />
project -- that by selling mostly on the 'net, and selling a lot<br />
directly to consumers, that magically things will be easier.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Miller is a major, incredibly respected figure,<br />
and he presumably wouldn't jump ship from being the president of<br />
Hyperion to reporting to Jane Friedman unless there was something solid<br />
here.</p>

<p>I don't think this is either a wondrous new paradigm for all<br />
publishing or a sneaky trick to steal from authors -- and I've seen<br />
people saying both things.</p>

<p>On balance, it sounds like Miller thinks that he can publish a<br />
certain kind of book (short, mostly nonfiction hardcovers at about $20)<br />
in a certain kind of way (little in-store co-op, mostly on-line<br />
promotions, unreturnable, possibly bundled with e- and audio versions)<br />
strongly, and he wants to give it a try. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:04 PM by Andrew Wheeler&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #32 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @ 13 : No, but we got <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/comics/king_mutts.html?name=Mutts" rel="nofollow">Mutts</a><br />
instead. They're cutting back on the amount of printed comics, but<br />
luckily for me they're keeping all of them available online. </p>

<p>I hear the NYT makes excellent bird cage liner, so in that regard I'm sure someone has respect for the rag. </p>

<p>On another topic, I sure would like to see the Tibetan kangaroos. I<br />
understand the thundering herds of wild kangas romping across the<br />
Himalayas is a thrilling sight to behold, second only to the polar<br />
bears racing across the Antarctic wastes. The Tibetan preyer wheels add<br />
their deep thrum to the scene, presaging the onslaught of carnivorous<br />
yaks. The nightly drama is played out for the milling throngs of<br />
tourists with their digital cameras and their McDonald's coffees in<br />
hand.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:24 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi@ #28 yes, generally WFH=Work For Hire, though in this case could represent "Work For Half."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:40 PM by JKRichard&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ginger</b> @ 32... Frank Capra was wise to cut out the scene of<br />
Ronald Coleman leaving Shangri-la and then being attacked by Tibetan<br />
kangaroos amidst the desolation of the Himalayas..</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:42 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #35 from zzatz</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to fit in with HarperCollins' Neil Gaiman freebie:</p>

<p>http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/01/free-download-of-nei.html</p>

<p>I found their approach useless for the way I read electronic books,<br />
and I read quite a few. The text needs to be formatted to fit the<br />
device I have, which means it needs to be formatted at my end, not by<br />
the publisher. Plain text works. HTML works. RTF works. There are other<br />
formats that I can convert to something usable. PDF works but is too<br />
painful to fight with to be worth the bother.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:51 PM by zzatz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #36 from Charlie Stross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“The idea is, ‘Let’s take all the things that we think are wrong<br />
with this business and try to change them,’ ” said Mr. Miller, 51.</em><br />
Like, for starters, paying those annoying freelance author contractors<br />
for work that isn't even ISO 9000 compliant or performed to our<br />
exacting specifications.</p>

<p>In next month's thrilling episode: in an attempt to focus on his<br />
group's core competencies and cut overheads Mr. Miller outsources<br />
everyone below his own level to PublishAmerica. After all, as we all<br />
know, strong management is vital to running a successful business --<br />
everything else is just peripheral fuss and bother that can be<br />
dispensed with.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  7:58 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #37 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @ 34: But the remake by Roland Emmerich didn't...and some say<br />
he went over the top with his slo-mo scenes of kanga slaughter. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  8:00 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ginger</b> @ 37... Was that scene before or after the giant<br />
flying saucer shows up over the Valley of the Blue Moon? No matter<br />
what... I think I'd rather watch the 1973 musical remake. At least it<br />
had Liv Ullmann and Olivia Hussey in its cast.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  8:10 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @ 38: It was after, because the reporter from the New York<br />
Times was there to see it and scoop the rest of the world, remember?</p>

<p>You're right, though; anything with Liv Ullman is much better. I<br />
loved her duet with the kanga prince ("Purple Kangaroo in the Rain") --<br />
of course, it was really Marni Nixon singing. </p>

<p>I hear Peter Jackson's up for <b>making</b> the latest version though, and he promises to film it entirely on location in Tibet. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  8:29 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #40 from don delny</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>meta:</i><br /><br />
I'm noticing that icerocket and technorati* are weak sauce for keeping<br />
track of this discussion. Thus far the fruits of my searching: NZ<br />
blogger Beattie <a href="http://beattiesbookblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-harper-collins-unit-to-try-to-cut.html" rel="nofollow">reprints </a> the Times <strike>press release</strike> article and the Publisher's Lunch more detailed report. Useful for those of us who don't have a sub for that listserv.<br /><br />
Second fruit: Daily Pundit quotes Roger L. Simon (mystery author? original <a href="http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2008/04/harpercollins_t.php" rel="nofollow">here, </a> anyway) and <a href="http://dailypundit.com/?p=29937" rel="nofollow">comments on it.</a></p>

<p><i>Andrew Wheeler, 31,</i><br /><br />
I have to agree with your assessment: it's a press release saying that<br />
he intends to target a really specific niche with a pre-existing<br />
audience with extruded non-ficition product, branded and marketed a<br />
specific way at a set price.</p>

<p>It's almost as though he's woken up to the direct sales model that<br />
the webcomics/cartoonist types** are exploiting. Briefly: self-financed<br />
printing/manufacturing of pre-ordered objects for a dedicated fanbase,<br />
with limited to no distribution through Ingrahm/B&amp;T, leaving the<br />
vast majority of cash inflow untouched by <strike>parasites</strike> middlemen.</p>

<p>In the case of Mr. Miller, <i>authors</i> are the superfluous<br />
middlemen in the cash flow diagram, mucking up the nice clean equation<br />
with messy reserves against returns and royalties that fluctuate all<br />
over the place. It's no accident that C.E.Peit is talking about<br />
work-for-hire clauses: that would be the ultimate solution for<br />
maximizing the amount of coin that lands in his pockets.</p>

<p><br /><br />
*sux, btw. No filter for articles only appearing in the last <i>x</i> number of days.<br /><br />
**e.g. The Foglio's Girl Genius, The Gallagher's Megatokyo, Penny Arcade, &amp; Alpha-Shade.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #41 from Pat Cadigan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually, as any 23-year-old editorial assistant could have told<br />
the New York Times, hardcover authors typically earn royalties of 15<br />
percent of the list price of sold copies. Profits have nothing to do<br />
with it; the authors get the royalties whether or not the publisher<br />
made any profit at all. The claim that “many authors never earn<br />
royalties” is likewise a bit off; the author’s “advance” is in fact an<br />
advance payment of the royalties that the publisher expects the book<br />
will earn, usually in its first year of publication.</i></p>

<p>Which I guess makes me a very atypical author, as I have never<br />
received any royalties on any of my books, ever. There. I admitted it<br />
in public.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #42 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, just who owns HarperCollins?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008  8:38 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #43 from Harriet Culver</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of WFH (and in the spirit of AKICIML), what's with this,<br />
er, thing I've recently been noticing in some books* wherein the<br />
copyright page info reads "an (IMPRINT) book/published by arrangement<br />
with the author", and then says "Copyright (year) by (PUBLISHER)"<br />
instead of copyright by (author)? Is this an indication that the<br />
publisher has the author in some sort of WFH stranglehold, or that the<br />
book is likely some sort of formula/series/tie-in book where the writer<br />
is not the concept creator, or what?</p>

<p>And what does "published by arrangement with the author" <i>mean</i> anyway?</p>

<p>As a mere reader and book-buying consumer I don't usually peruse the<br />
copyright pages of every book I open, thus hadn't noticed this (trend?)<br />
before, and only spotted it in a new book from a friend of an<br />
online-acquaintance author, and then started noticing it in other<br />
titles.</p>

<p>*thus far, they've all been imprints of THE BERKELEY PUBLISHING<br />
GROUP, and the Ace books have actually been copyright by (authors)<br />
while the new Penguin mysteries have been (c)pub.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #44 from will shetterly</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick @ 21, do you know offhand what percentage of books make it to the 15% royalty rate?</p>

<p>Pat @ 41, you are my hero of the day. I wish my finances were better<br />
organized so I could step up also. I know I haven't gotten any<br />
royalties on my last couple of novels.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #45 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On the other hand, Miller is a major, incredibly respected<br />
figure, and he presumably wouldn't jump ship from being the president<br />
of Hyperion to reporting to Jane Friedman unless there was something<br />
solid here.</i></p>

<p>cf Charlie's comment; Miller is now 51, and may be looking to make a<br />
retirement pile on the Chainsaw Al (Dunlop) model -- or even on the<br />
not-so-different standard U.S. executive model (how many hundreds of<br />
millions did the former chief of Home Depot get when he was squeezed<br />
out of the mess he'd made?). Hollywood at least has to fake up numbers;<br />
the modern executive just gets his off the top, even if there is no top.</p>

<p>I heard this on PRI's business program this evening, and it sounded<br />
a bit strange even without being able to go over it again (my \next/<br />
commuter car \will/ have a TiVo (and a pony, and get 60mpg...)),<br />
especially since they didn't explain how they were going to get<br />
bookstores to take non-returnable books.</p>

<p>Are the Tibetan preyers allied with the Slayer?</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #46 from Brooks Moses</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will @44, Pat @41: Do you mean that you did not get any royalties<br />
above and beyond those contained in the original "advance" payment, or<br />
that you did not get any at all -- in which case, did you get paid for<br />
the books, and what sort of payment was it?</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #47 from will shetterly</title>
         <description>comment from will shetterly on  4.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooks, you can safely assume that any writer published by a major<br />
publishing house got an advance—when a bestselling author does a promo<br />
stunt like taking a $1 advance against an exceptional royalty rate,<br />
it's big news.</p>

<p>I would have to haul out my contracts to check my advances. For<br />
novels, I get around $10,000. (Not trying to duck this. I just make it<br />
a point to think as little as possible about money, a subject that<br />
inspired Samuel Johnson to say something that's often repeated because<br />
it's gloriously ludicrous. I'll be doing a post on my blog with as many<br />
hard figures as I can find around April 15, when my taxes are done.)<br />
(For the record, Emma's advances are larger than mine, and I'm<br />
perfectly happy being a kept man.)</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reporters and fact checkers? Who has the money for those? Not enough<br />
people read newspapers now, so such inessentials are tossed overboard,<br />
along with idle fripperies like comics (smaller! make those comics<br />
smaller and fewer!), editorials, and maybe sports will be next. (Why,<br />
oh, why do they stop reading our newspapers?) They have to stick to the<br />
core mission, which is receiving press releases and deciding whether to<br />
rephrase them or print them verbatim. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  4, 2008 10:23 PM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifton, #6: Oops, you just hit one of my pet peeves -- the fact<br />
that there is NO WORD OR PHRASE in English that one can use to indicate<br />
a book that's written on an adult level which has <i>not</i> been co-opted to mean <b>SMUT</b>. (and nothing but... a dirty novel I can't shut... sorry!) </p>

<p>Seriously. "Adult"? Smut. "Mature"? Smut. "Not intended for<br />
children"? Smut. And so on. How can I briefly describe a book that has<br />
too much violence and gore for the average 10-year-old, or one that<br />
deals with deep questions of ethics that would bore most 14-year-olds<br />
silly, but which <i>doesn't</i> contain graphic sexual material? <br /><br />
[/grump]<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thing got a lot of play on Marketplace (public radio business<br />
show). It was even worse when it was done as interviews. Lots of<br />
snake-oil style phrasing, with one, still small voice, saying it might<br />
not be so good for the average writer.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  1:14 AM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #51 from RobT.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee @ #49: How about "grown-up?" As a term used to denote adults<br />
when talking to kids (e.g., "Let the grown-ups handle this."), it may<br />
feel a little juvenile for adult-to-adult usage, but the meaning<br />
("adult-level") is unmistakable and it lacks the connotations attached<br />
to "adult/mature/not-for-children" entertainment. </p>

<p>Because "grown-up" carries the overtones of talking to children, I would have no problem describing, say, <em>Ulysses</em> as a "book for grown-ups" but would feel dirty describing <em>Deep Throat</em> as a "movie for grown-ups" (except in a meta-description like this one).</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No facts were disturbed in the writing of this story.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  2:31 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cohen (StM) @52:  That's good.  Those facts are vicious beasties when they're provoked.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  3:39 AM by Kevin Riggle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these responses, and no one has pointed out that the New York<br />
Times headquarters is no longer on 43rd St.; it's in their newly built<br />
building at Eighth Ave. &amp; 40th St.:</p>

<p>http://www.metropolismag.com/cda/story.php?artid=3044</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  3:46 AM by John D. Berry&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #55 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why shouldn't Disney publish Smut through a subsidiary company. It's just another way of <b>making</b> money.</p>

<p>And see this: <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/dirty-sexy-money-the-writer-rupert-smith-on-his-lucrative-pornlit-sideline-801572.html" rel="nofollow">The money to be made writing porn</a>.</p>

<p><br /><br />
Yeah, it's the share of profits that looks dodgy. It's not unknown--wasn't that a feature of the deal on <i>The Lord of the Rings</i>--but<br />
Hollywood Accounting and the music industry have given such things a<br />
bad reputation. What works when you can have a personal relationship<br />
with the guy in charge doesn't seem so reliable with the corporate<br />
MBA-style of management.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  4:38 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #56 from julia</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm almost certain a reporter from the Times could have gotten a quote from <a href="http://us.macmillan.com/Times.aspx" rel="nofollow">these people</a>.</p>

<p>You'd've thought she'd want to be in touch with them anyway. Her contract says they have the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Books" rel="nofollow">right of first refusal if she writes a book</a></p>

<p>Granted they work in a dicey neighborhood :)</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #57 from janeyolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PNH: Not all major (or minor) publishers offer rising royalties on<br />
hardcovers automatically. It has to be asked for, one has to have had<br />
an agent or not be a first time author or be a favored and well known<br />
writer.</p>

<p>AND the moment at which the royalty rises varies dramatically from<br />
publisher to publisher. Varies also depending upon both author and<br />
editor's assumptions about the viability of the book.</p>

<p>AND major publishers--like Putnams and Harper to my certain<br />
knowledge--lower the advance for sales to major cut rate outlets<br />
(B&amp;N, Amazon, Wal-Mart etc) if the rate of sale to these places is<br />
below 50% of the cover price. </p>

<p>Authors and their agents (if they have them) fight these fights<br />
every day. If they do not have to do this at Tor, it is to Tor's<br />
credit, and its editors.</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #58 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>RobT</b> @ 51... <i>How about "grown-up?"</i></p>

<p>I certainly hope not. Remember that, when the current bunch moved<br />
into the White House, it was said that, this time, grownups would be in<br />
charge.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of fact checking, I notice the link in Patrick's sidelights<br />
to the Guardian article on disemvowelling has some difficulty with it<br />
as well...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008 10:38 AM by Martin Wisse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #60 from Alice Bentley</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don delny @ 40 writes "It's almost as though he's woken up to the<br />
direct sales model that the webcomics/cartoonist types** are<br />
exploiting. Briefly: self-financed printing/manufacturing of<br />
pre-ordered objects for a dedicated fanbase, with limited to no<br />
distribution through Ingrahm/B&amp;T, leaving the vast majority of cash<br />
inflow untouched by /parasites/ middlemen."</p>

<p>While many (almost all?) webcomics do indeed self-finance the<br />
printed versions of their work to sell directly to their fans, I don't<br />
think it's by choice. Especially if they've been doing it for a while.<br />
Both Penny Arcade and MegaTokyo signed up with major publishers, and<br />
Girl Genius *is* available through Ingram and B&amp;T even though it's<br />
small press. </p>

<p><br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  1:22 PM by Alice Bentley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #61 from don delny</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in #60, Alice Bentley quotes me*, and says:</p>

<p><i>While many (almost all?) webcomics do indeed self-finance the<br />
printed versions of their work to sell directly to their fans, I don't<br />
think it's by choice. Especially if they've been doing it for a while.<br />
Both Penny Arcade and MegaTokyo signed up with major publishers, and<br />
Girl Genius *is* available through Ingram and B&amp;T even though it's<br />
small press.</i></p>

<p>Thank you for clarifying my comment. You are absolutely right about the publishing deals you mentioned. <br /><br />
I might quibble with the "by choice" bit. For webcomics with smaller<br />
audiences, or niche topics, there's little point in sharing revenue<br />
with a publisher who won't be able to market the book effectively to<br />
the corporate book buyers.** I'd have to say the Foglio's are lucky (in<br />
the sense that 30+ <b>years</b><br />
of hard work is luck) to have been a self-publishing small press before<br />
webcomics were invented. ³ Likewise with Megatokyo &amp; Penny Arcade:<br />
those fellows have such a huge audience that it should be impossible<br />
for a publisher to not make money on them †. Likewise, since they have<br />
such huge audiences, they have a lot of bargaining power, and are able<br />
to get pretty good deals. ‡ </p>

<p>As a counter example, the brother Brudlos self-financed, printed and<br />
ship the Alpha-Shade books, but they also both hold down full time<br />
jobs. Or Greg Dean's Real Life Comics, which has languished with only<br />
volume one printed up until recently, when he released a <strike>cliff</strike> notes type version via Lulu.</p>

<p>I didn't exactly choose the best possible examples, did I?</p>

<p>*thank you!<br /><br />
**though there was the interesting case of Kurt Hassler, who worked as<br />
the graphic novel buyer for Borders, who also co-authored a webcomic<br />
that was subsequently published by Tokyopop.<br /><br />
³ probably not strictly true, but close.<br /><br />
† not that people haven't screwed it up. Megatokyo couldn't keep Studio<br />
Ironcat afloat, and the first guy who the Penny Arcade guys signed on<br />
with took their print rights and fled the country.<br /><br />
‡ interesting news for Penny Arcade: they have a partnership with a<br />
newly formed gaming distribution company to distribute their first<br />
video game "On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness" which seemingly<br />
will be filled with squamous goodness. Oh, and the company will also be<br />
distributing games hand-picked by the guys.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great minds think alike, Patrick: <a href="http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2008/04/a-line-from-the.html" rel="nofollow">A<br />
line from the NYT that seems to have escaped from an April fools<br />
edition: "Typically, authors earn royalties of 15 percent of profits<br />
after they have paid off their advances."</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  4:11 PM by Kathryn Cramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #63 from rams</title>
         <description>comment from rams on  5.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um?  Guys?  That was JANE YOLEN.<br /><br />
Okay.  I'm geeked.<br /><br />
Gonna go take a wee lie-down.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008  6:02 PM by rams&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #64 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>rams @63:</strong><br /><br />
You'd be surprised how many authors hang out here. Who better to tell<br />
us how book publishing works than authors like her, or editors like<br />
Patrick (who won the Hugo for his work last year)?</p>

<p>Despite the fact that I made an arse of myself when I met her at the<br />
Worldcon in Scotland*, I know that Jane is a real human being, and is<br />
allowed to do ordinary person things like post comments on blogs.</p>

<p>In other words, play it cool.</p>

<p>-----<br /><br />
*  sorry about that, Jane.  I hope you liked the programme binding anyway.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #65 from don delny</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil Gaiman has put his <a href="http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/04/my-life-in-green-and-purple.html" rel="nofollow">tuppence </a>in. He also points to the Guardian column, <a href="http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,2271165,00.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>

<p>I won't speak for him, but I think he's implying that there's no cosmic conspiracy at HC.</p>

<p>I'm actually a little disappointed. Maybe we can still blame the Illuminati?</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #66 from Charlie Stross</title>
         <description>comment from Charlie Stross on  5.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rams @63: *waves*</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008 10:23 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Terry Karney on  5.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rams: I know how you feel. Neil Gaiman once linked to something I'd<br />
written here, and said it explained things about his grandfather to him.</p>

<p>I was croggled.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  5, 2008 10:54 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #68 from Xopher</title>
         <description>comment from Xopher on  6.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translation of Charlie 66: "What am I, chopped liver?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 12:13 AM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #69 from Mary Dell</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Dell on  6.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @#68: I read Charlie's wave as just a friendly indication<br />
that ML is a veritable nest of authors, not as a demand for<br />
recognition. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  2:15 AM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #70 from EClaire</title>
         <description>comment from EClaire on  6.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there are all sorts of authors here. What gave me warm<br />
fuzzies was when I was in Borders tonight and looked down and right at<br />
hand was a Jane Yolen box set. "I know her... indirectly..." Same<br />
feeling I get when I hear about people I did summer theatre with<br />
starting a cappella groups which then end up with one member on<br />
American Idol. My brush with greatness, such as it is. </p>

<p>I'll throw out a thank you to all the authors who are reading, even<br />
those I've never personally read, because you give us places to escape<br />
to. I appreciate that immensely. </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Xopher</b>, #68, he has chopped feet -- he and Feorag have been<br />
sightseeing DC, including pushing me around in a wheelchair at Udvar<br />
Hazy on Friday. (Which I'm very thankful for.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  3:08 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>rams</b> @ 63... I'm not likely to forget the time she and I<br />
exchanged posts here on the subject of Bugs Bunny's cross-dressing<br />
proclivities.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  3:25 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano #42: Who owns HarperCollins? News Corporation, the Murdoch media empire.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  6:25 AM by Irene Delse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting is the almost throw-away nature of the "And<br />
we might also include download/audio access with purchase" comment.<br />
This, to me, is potentially big. It's perhaps the first sign of a major<br />
publisher taking serious consideration of the many ways that each<br />
individual consumer partakes of their product (although I might be<br />
totally wrong on that--Tor guys?). People who buy the object (book) are<br />
also now buying the data (DL or Audio) and can actually choose how to<br />
enjoy it. I, personally, would love it.</p>

<p>Side note:<br /><br />
#49 Lee, and #51 RobT...I've had the same thoughts many times, and then<br />
reading RobT's post, I thought, why not "Adult-Level"? Seems clear and<br />
without the connotative baggage.<br /><br />
You done real good!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  7:06 AM by Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  8:31 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see a conspiracy, no. As Patrick does in his commentary at<br />
the top, I see an experiment, and a potentially interesting one --<br />
although it's the giving away audio and e-book versions with the<br />
hardback I find most interesting, as it simultaneously divorces the<br />
object from the content, while giving you a reason to buy the object.</p>

<p>(The last time I saw a "no royalties-profit sharing" attempt crash<br />
and burn it was in the late 80s with Tundra Publishing, Kevin Eastman's<br />
ill-fated venture. But they also handed out huge -- for comics at the<br />
time -- advances, large enough that many of the creators who got the<br />
advances saw no advantage in actually producing the comics they'd been<br />
paid to make.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 11:03 AM by Neil&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I suddenly have the weird sensation that Patrick's feelings<br />
towards Magical Publishing Handwavium Technology (tm) are in the same<br />
vein as how I feel about Magical Electrical Engineering Handwavium (tm).</p>

<p>That would mean that "POD will revolutionize Publishing" is<br />
somewhere in the same ball park as "Nanotechnology will create<br />
Self-Replicating ASICs".</p>

<p>or something.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  3:19 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having negotiated a book deal without an agent, I'm receiving a<br />
pitiful percentage of net profits, something like that described in the<br />
<i>Times</i> piece.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  3:31 PM by The King in Yellow&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Cadigan, Will Shetterly--My point was that advances <em>are</em><br />
royalties; they're just royalties paid in advance. Which makes the<br />
statement "Many authors never earn royalties" a little dodgy. I also<br />
referred to it as "a minor and defensible error," because colloquially,<br />
many authors (like both of you, as you've shown) use the term<br />
"royalties" to mean only those royalties which are paid once the<br />
advance has been "earned out."</p>

<p>(Literally, of course, "many authors" actually and truly "never earn<br />
royalties," because there are always lots of work-for-hire deals where<br />
authors are paid a fee rather than a royalty. But that's not what the <em>Times</em> article was referring to, and that's why their statement is still an error, even if a minor one.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  4:27 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Yolen writes in #57:<blockquote>Not all major (or minor)<br />
publishers offer rising royalties on hardcovers automatically. It has<br />
to be asked for, one has to have had an agent or not be a first time<br />
author or be a favored and well known writer.</blockquote>I'm sure<br />
that's true, particularly in YA publishing where, while the unit costs<br />
are the same as they are everywhere else, the cover prices have to be<br />
lower. That said, our basic boilerplate for an adult trade book offers<br />
10% on the first 5000 hardcovers sold, 12.5% on the next 5000, and 15%<br />
after that; it's pretty much bog-standard.<blockquote>AND the moment at<br />
which the royalty rises varies dramatically from publisher to<br />
publisher. Varies also depending upon both author and editor's<br />
assumptions about the viability of the book.</blockquote>We have some<br />
variation in our mass-market and trade-paperback royalty rates, both in<br />
the actual rates and in where they go up, but rarely in hardcover.<blockquote>AND<br />
major publishers--like Putnams and Harper to my certain<br />
knowledge--lower the advance for sales to major cut rate outlets<br />
(B&amp;N, Amazon, Wal-Mart etc) if the rate of sale to these places is<br />
below 50% of the cover price.</blockquote>I suspect you mean they lower the <em>royalty paid</em>,<br />
not the "advance." (Although an expectation that the bulk of sales<br />
would be via deeply-discounted channels would of course be reflected in<br />
the amount of the advance.) Everyone has some kind of clause for paying<br />
lower royalties on sales that cost us the earth to accomplish; we have<br />
to.<blockquote>Authors and their agents (if they have them) fight these<br />
fights every day. If they do not have to do this at Tor, it is to Tor's<br />
credit, and its editors.</blockquote>We have arguments with authors and<br />
agents every day, just like anyone else. We're trying to stay in<br />
business just like you're trying to earn a living. To the extent that<br />
we try to be reasonable (and I'm sure you can find plenty of people<br />
willing to say that we're not), the credit goes to Tom Doherty, who's<br />
always had a deep understanding of the fact that being decent is a<br />
better long-run strategy than being a bastard.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  4:38 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#78: Wow.  I don't work in current-affairs nonfiction book publishing, but given your eminence on this important story, I'm <em>shocked</em> that you don't have a better deal with a larger publisher.  </p>

<p>Sometimes I want to clone myself and open up shop as an agent.  If I did, you'd be a client I'd try to recruit.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  4:43 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Oops, I should have said that it was a little publisher, not<br />
a big one. (I just wanted to get the book out of my hair after years of<br />
trying.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  5:37 PM by The King In Yellow&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many academic authors never earn royalties, period. I have earned<br />
zero royalties on academic publishing (I have been paid in copies -- as<br />
little as one copy of a journal in which an article appeared.)</p>

<p>This has led to the paradox that I have been paid money for poetry,<br />
but not for a full-length monograph. In both cases, though, I retained<br />
the copyright. In recent times, I've had to hand over copyright in<br />
exchange for the mere fact of publication (plus copies of the journal).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  7:07 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #84 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without actually extending the metaphor too far (not accusing anyone of <em>messiahship</em> or anything) Neil Gaiman's #76 rather made don delny's #65 a sort of "John the Baptist" moment, didn't it?</p>

<p>I had a squee moment like rams's about five years ago on a usenet<br />
newsgroup (is that a redundant phrase?) when I realized that the person<br />
posting as Diane Duane might well be <em>that</em> Diane Duane. I very<br />
tentatively asked, in a textual representation of a nervous,<br />
Piglet-like voice, whether this was in fact the case, murmuring<br />
something about really really liking the <em>Young Wizards</em><br />
trilogy very very much; and she assured me that it was, and that, by<br />
the way, it was no longer a trilogy. So I ran off in a fan-struck haze<br />
to find books four through six.</p>

<p>I am still quite prone to squee moments, mind you. It's just harder<br />
to tell online, when I have time to turn my squeemishness into<br />
something vaguely literate.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  7:13 PM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick #80</p>

<p>Arrrrgh--of course I meant royalties, not advances drop in big companies when they sell to the Big Chains.</p>

<p>Fingers--meet brain. Brain--meet fingers. I had so hoped they knew one another but obviously not.</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  7:47 PM by janeyolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick @ 79 and 80, sorry 'bout confusing things with my response<br />
to Pat. But if it's not a nuisance, I'm still curious about the<br />
"typically earn royalties of 15 percent of the list price" you<br />
mentioned earlier. Any idea what percentage of hardcovers sell 10,000<br />
copies?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  7:54 PM by will shetterly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #87 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano Ledgister @#83:</p>

<p><i>Many academic authors never earn royalties, period. I have earned<br />
zero royalties on academic publishing (I have been paid in copies -- as<br />
little as one copy of a journal in which an article appeared.)</i></p>

<p>When I was a kid my dad showed me one of his royalty checks...it was for something like 7 dollars.</p>

<p>He told me recently that the way he gets paid for his writing is<br />
that the dean says "oh, I see you wrote another book" and gives him a<br />
raise.</p>

<p><br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  8:58 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary 68: <i>I read Charlie's wave as just a friendly indication that ML is a veritable nest of authors, not as a demand for recognition.</i></p>

<p>Me too; I was teasing.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @#88: oh. Sorry, should have realized that. When there's no<br />
pun, it's harder to tell (puns, the emoticons of Making Light).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  9:21 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rereading the article,　I guess I have a question...<br /><br />
In the article, this Miller guy says "The idea is, ‘Let’s take all the<br />
things that we think are wrong with this business and try to change<br />
them'". As someone who is completely outside of the publishing<br />
industry, what exactly is wrong with it? He mentions book returns and<br />
high advances...are these really the biggest problems in the industry?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008  9:48 PM by Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary Dell</b> @ 89... <i>When there's no pun, it's harder to tell</i></p>

<p>You rang?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#90: Good question. I personally think the biggest problem in the<br />
industry is that, as a result of the immense consolidation of the ID<br />
market in the 1990s, supermarkets and drug stores no longer stock the<br />
kind of extremely diverse selection of mass-market paperbacks that they<br />
used to. Instead of selling 144 different current titles, your average<br />
144-slot supermarket rack now offers just two or three dozen different<br />
titles.</p>

<p>The immense diversity once offered by the ID system was an important<br />
mechanism for making smart kids from non-bookstore-shopping families<br />
into habitual book buyers. That's gone now, in the name of big-box<br />
retailer efficiency. It's a huge loss. Meanwhile, the idiots of SFWA<br />
worry about some kid in Estonia "pirating" their e-texts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 10:01 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on  6.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, #86: I have no idea.  But I'm <em>still</em> going to insist that the "15%" thing is the <em>New York Times</em> article's lesser error. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 10:03 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#92, Thanks for the explanation. I remember those supermarket<br />
shelves, as I reckon I was one of those kids you mention. I was really<br />
sad when I realized that they no longer shelved classics like <em>The Hitch Hiker's Guide</em> at my local A&amp;P, just big name current bestsellers.</p>

<p>Boy, the SFWA just doesn't seem to get much love. Is it really that<br />
bad? The whole Burt/Doctorow bruhaha is all I know about the internal<br />
politics of the group, but it certainly doesn't paint a pretty picture.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 10:12 PM by Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd wave again, but after reading #81 I need both hands to type and<br />
staunch the nose-bleed from my dessicated sinuses. And I'm afraid I'm<br />
not a motie.</p>

<p>Jim @94, the SFWA situation is much worse than you can possibly<br />
imagine. Luckily there's an election going on right now, so in two<br />
weeks or thereabouts we'll know whether to send a burial detail or a<br />
"get well" card.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 11:02 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @#91: Oh, no, you are the model of punly restraint these days.  You haven't even linked <a href="http://www.icanhelpsew.com/images/singer/Singer_14SH654_serger.jpg" rel="nofollow">your photo</a> to the sewing discussion over on the deep value thread. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 11:15 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, #74: Maybe. To me, "adult-level" carries most of the same baggage as "adult". Can we have a straw poll? </p>

<p>Serge, #75: "Mature" (or, as sometimes seen, "intended for mature audiences") = smut. <br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 11:25 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee@97, how about "intellectual"? It keeps out the riffraff, and<br />
shouts "no sex here, we're thinking" unless you get it translated into<br />
French.</p>

<p>In which case, perhaps American Intellectual would work. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  6, 2008 11:32 PM by Dena Shunra&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #99 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, it was reading serialized novels in the<br />
SF&amp;F magazines at our local Krogers which completed my addiction. I<br />
seem to remember saving my nickels to buy <i>Sign of the Unicorn</i> and <i>The Gods Themselves</i> as they came out in monthly installments.</p>

<p>...</p>

<p>"Adult-level" works for me without the connotations. I'm sure for<br />
someone younger than I, "adult book" doesn't have the same meaning it<br />
once did. Why would you want to read a book when porn is available on<br />
video? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 12:06 AM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dena Shunra @#98: That sounds good in theory, but I challenge you to<br />
say "the intellectual books division of the Walt Disney company" with a<br />
straight face.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 12:12 AM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary @100, I was *just* coming to my desk with a nice hot cup of tea when I read that.</p>

<p>::sputter::</p>

<p>It does indeed sound a bit like Mickey Mouse intellectualism...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 12:22 AM by Dena Shunra&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifton Royston @#99:</p>

<p><i>Why would you want to read a book when porn is available on video? </i></p>

<p>Video packs a wallop, but the written stuff has its own particular<br />
pleasures. Particularly when read out loud to a listener. I don't know<br />
if today's young porn fans have the dedication to bother with the<br />
classic texts, though. Kids today, sigh.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 12:30 AM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #103 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick: Yeah, the ID change happened so thoroughly that I'd sort of<br />
forgotten when the suermarket had lots of books. I don't know that I'd<br />
ever have read (heck, known of) Haldeman's, <i>War Year</i> without it.  </p>

<p>At this point I don't recall if that led me to read <i>The Forever War</i> or the other way 'round.</p>

<p>That's hurt my folk's used bookstore, because we they don't get as<br />
many people walking over from the supermarket to look for books as they<br />
used to when there were lots of different titles.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  2:28 AM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #104 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Dell: I think the success of slash, and the size of Literotica<br />
implies a large group of people who are interested in reading isn't<br />
trivially small.</p>

<p>That and the link (I think it was somewhere around here) to the guy<br />
who is making more money (by large factors) with his porn, than which<br />
his non-porn.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  2:33 AM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #105 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Patrick @ 97</b></p>

<p><i>Instead of selling 144 different current titles, your average<br />
144-slot supermarket rack now offers just two or three dozen different<br />
titles.</i></p>

<p>And at least 2/3 of those are long series or house titles ("Star Wars" or sharecropper series). The diversity is very low.</p>

<p>It's a shame. I had started reading sf in the library, but<br />
discovering the local non-chain drug and sundry store was what really<br />
got me going. Ace doubles and other paperbacks on two revolving wire<br />
racks, only a block and a half from my house. Mid-20th century<br />
paperbacks ... mmmmmmmmm ...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  2:56 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #106 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Lee</b> @ 97... In other words, every word that one can use winds being equated with smut. That's the bottom line.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  4:52 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #107 from Serge</title>
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<p>Well, I did take an oath. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  4:56 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #108 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Dell #87: That doesn't always work, alas. I've had colleagues publish <i>and</i> perish.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  6:37 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #109 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dena Shunra #101: I'd say you were making yourself Kristol clear,<br />
you needn't hit anyone on the head with a Krauthammer, but I would want<br />
to note that Hanson is as Hanson does.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  6:52 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano Ledgister @#108:</p>

<p><i>Mary Dell #87: That doesn't always work, alas. I've had colleagues publish and perish.</i></p>

<p>Absolutely--that's happened to friends of mine, too, and certainly<br />
would have happened to me, if I hadn't washed out early. Dad's an<br />
unusual creature. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  9:01 AM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary Dell</b> @ 110... <i>Dad's an unusual creature</i></p>

<p>That sounds like the title of a sitcom of the 1950s. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 10:42 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #112 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @#111:  He occasionally does Know Best. And we generally Make Room for him. And he has Three Sons.*</p>

<p>*And two daughters, and two additional sons.</p>

<p> </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 11:50 AM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #113 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary Dell</b> @ 113... And his name is Steve?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 11:58 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #114 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Dell #110: He certainly sounds it. Some of us hold on by our fingernails.</p>

<p>And some of us contemplate monasticism (or would were we not happily<br />
married) at the sight of effusions of this kind: "For the men who know<br />
this true fact, I believe they are holding on to their manhood by,<br />
thinking they are the dictators in today’s society."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  5:00 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #115 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge: #113: Having Three Sons would give him the canonical name Fred.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  5:01 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #116 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge, Fragano: </p>

<p><i>He certainly sounds it. Some of us hold on by our fingernails.<i></i></i></p>

<p>Yeah--I always dreamed of having a career like his* and then<br />
discovered, once I was grown up, that hardly anybody has a career like<br />
that. I imagine that children of bestselling authors get a similarly<br />
skewed view of the writing life. Oh, his name is Bob, which is a good<br />
sitcom-dad name.</p>

<p>*50+ years teaching (so far); endowed chair, etc.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  9:06 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #117 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano writes in #115:</p>

<p><i>Serge: #113: Having Three Sons would give him the canonical name Fred.</i></p>

<p>Contradicting you, just to be polite:  An actor named Fred played <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Three_Sons" rel="nofollow">a father named Steve</a>.</p>

<p>As a wise Sicilian once said:  "Never go in against Serge when an old TV show is on the line."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008  9:07 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bill Higgins</b> @ 117... I wouldn't go that far. It's true that<br />
I have a good memory for trivia, but my knowledge was helped by TVland,<br />
when they used to rerun the likes of <i>Dobie Gillis</i> and <i>My Three Sons</i>. That's how I caught a episode of <i>Father Knows Best</i><br />
that poked fun at his patriarchal figure. It begins with the whole clan<br />
watching a sitcom where the main character is a father who's easily<br />
manipulated by his family. Everybody is quite amused by the show,<br />
except for Dad, who starts getting it into his head that everything<br />
that's going on in his family (like his son falling sick just when he's<br />
about to leave on his fishing trip) is an attempt to manipulate him<br />
into not going. Which it's not.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #119 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I..have a shameful confession to make. </p>

<p>I've never watched a single episode of Father Knows Best (even<br />
though I had the lunch box). I really tried, I did. I'd start with the<br />
opening montage, and the opening scene, and then...either I blacked out<br />
or I got up and changed the channel. I'm not sure which. I was so<br />
young. </p>

<p>My Three Sons..the same thing happened. Dobie Gillis? Ditto. </p>

<p>About the only shows on at the time that I could actually watch were the Mouseketeers and things like Bewitched. </p>

<p>I'm a bad, bad child of the 60s, I know. At least I watched Star Trek, religiously!</p>

<p>(Best title while simultaneously being the worst screenplay? "For the World is Hollow, and I Have Touched the Sky")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 10:39 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #120 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ginger</b>I'm a bad, bad child of the 60s </p>

<p>Bad Ginger, bad, <i>bad</i>!</p>

<p>I'll confess to even watching <i>The Donna Reed Show</i>. How sick is that? But I also watched stuff like <i>The Naked City</i>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 11:22 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge, #107: Did you put it back? <br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  7, 2008 11:54 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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<p><i>(Best title while simultaneously being the worst screenplay? "For the World is Hollow, and I Have Touched the Sky")</i></p>

<p>You have to remember that in the 60's it was considered de rigueur<br />
to copy anything that Harlan Ellison did. Of course, he always did it<br />
better. So, since he used long, poetic titles like "The Beast that<br />
Shouted Love at the Heart of the World", everybody else did too. This<br />
resulted in titles like "When the Vertical World Becomes Horizontal",<br />
"We, in Some Strange Power's Employ, Move on a Rigorous Line", "For<br />
Every Aspect of the World There is a Gift", "The Man Doors Said Hello<br />
To", and “I See A Man Sitting On a Chair, And the Chair Is Biting His<br />
Leg”.*</p>

<p>* Actually, I made up one of those. Can you guess which one?  Extra credit for naming the authors of the other titles.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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<p>"bow chicka bowwow" is a classic?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  2:08 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce@122: I recognize two of those titles: The second is Delany,<br />
while the last is Ellison &amp; Sheckley. I'm going to guess that the<br />
made-up one is the fourth, although it is only a guess.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Lee</b> @ 121... Alas no. I am an oaf, for I kept the oath, but not such an oaf that I'd not give back an oath of filthy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  6:31 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ginger</b> @ 119... <b>Bruce Cohen</b> @ 122... It has been a long time since I've seen <i>For the World is Hollow, and I Have Touched the Sky</i>, but I remember it as being one of the better ones of Star Trek's third season. (My favorite of that era remains <i>Requiem for Methuselah</i>, and there's a very soft spot in my heart for <i>The Empath</i>.)</p>

<p>As for Ellisonian titles, can anybody guess, without googling, th author of <i>Th Beast That Shouted Love at the Heart of the World</i>?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>David Goldfarb @ 124</b></p>

<p>Lbh'er evtug nobhg gur frpbaq naq ynfg, ohg abg nobhg gur sbhegu bar: gung'f ol "Wnzrf Gvcgerr, We." nxn Nyvpr Furyqba.</p>

<p><b>Serge @ 126</b></p>

<p>Um ... I already gave that away in 122.</p>]]>
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rigueur to copy anything that Harlan Ellison did. Of course, he always<br />
did it better."</em></p>

<p>This is, of course, nonsense on stilts, most particularly the<br />
imputation that writers like Delany or Tiptree were so lacking in<br />
inspiration that they had to "copy" Harlan sodding Ellison.</p>]]>
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<p>I walked up on a rather raucous conversation at work once. It turns<br />
out that "bow chicka bowwow" had come up in conversation and half the<br />
people standing there didn't know what it was, so they'd had to<br />
explain. I made the mistake of saying the conversation reminded me of<br />
the day I casually dropped "use a safeword" into a joke at my parents'<br />
house, and ended up having to explain what a safeword was. To my<br />
mother. On Christmas morning.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, <i>no one</i> standing there knew what a safeword was, and I had to explain to them too. Ouch.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  8:37 AM by R. M. Koske&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is, of course, nonsense on stilts, most particularly the<br />
imputation that writers like Delany or Tiptree were so lacking in<br />
inspiration that they had to "copy" Harlan sodding Ellison.</i></p>

<p>Plus, titles of stories don't always come from their authors.<br />
Editors (or, in the case of screenplays, others) often change the title<br />
the author came up with. Just ask the author of "Prometheus Passes the<br />
Torch," "Vine and Fig Tree--," "The Patterns of Possibility," and<br />
"Shadow of Death" (a.k.a. "While the Evil Days Come Not.") </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  8:54 AM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:04 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary Dell</b> @ 102... Ever seen <i>Catholic High-school Girls in Trouble</i> ?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:06 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R@129: <i>ended up having to explain what a safeword was. To my mother. On Christmas morning.</i></p>

<p>ow. ow. ow!</p>

<p>Everything is <a href="http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=879" rel="nofollow">ruined</a> forever.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:07 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#128, Does it make me a bad SF fan if I took Gabe's side in the little <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/2005/09/26/" rel="nofollow">Penny Arcade,</a> / <a href="http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3149706" rel="nofollow">Harlan Ellison tiff</a>?<br /><br />
Ellison does usually come off as a bit of a dick. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:14 AM by Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #135 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Higgins #117: I hang my head in shame.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:34 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#133, Greg London - </p>

<p>Hee! Though it makes a wonderful train-wreck of a story, the<br />
situation wasn't that terrible. I explained, she said, "Oh, okay," and<br />
we moved on. One of the reasons my mother is quite wonderful. She's<br />
pretty good at being a grownup.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:47 AM by R. M. Koske&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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<p>Yes, of course it's nonsense on stilts. Sorry, I clearly should have<br />
put a smiley at the end of that post. There was in fact a time when a<br />
lot of fans were convinced that Harlan Ellison was nigh unto God; I was<br />
(clumsily) trying to lampoon that time, as it rather annoyed me then,<br />
and still does in retrospect.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  9:49 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tell people "A safeword is how you say no when 'no' means 'oh, please don't throw me in the briarpatch!'"*</p>

<p><br /><br />
*Or, for those unfamiliar with Frère Lapin, "how you say no when no means yes." Succinct, but not as witty.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. M. Koske #129: Something similar happened to me recently with bukkake. Er, the <em>word</em> bukkake, that is.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  1:13 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone curious about #130:</p>

<p>"Yrg Gurer Or Yvtug," "'Vs Guvf Tbrf Ba--'" (somehow the dash<br />
survived the title change), "Ryfrjura," and "Zrguhfrynu'f Puvyqera."<br />
All early stories by Eboreg N. Urvayrva. Chosen because they were<br />
examples I had near to hand.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  1:22 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, ethan, good clarification.  "I suddenly found myself having to explain 'safeword' in the middle of a <i>bukkake</i> session" is otherwise a possible reading...a somewhat bizarre one, admittedly.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  1:24 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg London (#133): I think <a href="http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=810" rel="nofollow">this QC strip</a> is even more "all is ruined forever" than that one.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  8, 2008  2:19 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg London @123 and especially R. M. Koske @129: I am not<br />
acquainted with classical pornography nor current American slang, so<br />
could you explain what "bow chicka bowwow" means also to me? Googling<br />
just hints at the general ambience, but does not reveal particulars.</p>

<p>PNH @128: Well, AFAIK/IIRC the early Tiptree was rather unsure about<br />
the whole business of writing SF and worth of "his" own inspiration,<br />
very impressionable and counting Ellison among his heroes. But I agree<br />
it hardly went as far as that particular title.</p>

<p>AKICIF: Does anybody know of a Firefox extension (or perhaps just a<br />
bookmarklet?) for easy ROT13ing? I found Leetkey, but that completely<br />
messed up use of function keys on my keyboard.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#143 - Jan*</p>

<p>"Bow chicka bowwow" is a verbal rendering of the sound of the music<br />
from a particular type of porno. It's generally said (among my circle<br />
at least) with a slightly sung inflection to make it sound more like<br />
the music in question. It becomes a shorthand reference to porno in<br />
general.</p>

<p>I think it is most often used to make a joke where you are pointing<br />
out a potentially sexual connotation of something, but you're also<br />
mocking yourself for noticing the sexual connotation because it is<br />
particularly slender or cheap.</p>

<p>(And the funny thing about me trying to explain is that I've never seen the type of porno that has this kind of music.) </p>

<p>*Apologies for leaving off the rest of your name - because it is a<br />
link, I can't copy and paste, and I'm trying to post quickly so I don't<br />
have time to sort out how to get the proper characters. I'll do better<br />
next time, I promise.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  9:07 AM by R. M. Koske&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rot13.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rot13.com</a> is the easiest for me to use. There may be others out there as well.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  9:27 AM by fidelio&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #146 from Mary Aileen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan (143): I use a bookmarklet that was pointed to here on Making Light a while back. Try searching for it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008 11:07 AM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #147 from Paul A.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. M. Koske @ #144: <i>because it is a link, I can't copy and paste</i></p>

<p>Why not?</p>

<p>(If it's because Stuff Happens when you click on a link, it might<br />
help to consider that selecting text usually doesn't involve clicking <em>on</em> the text in question so much as <em>slightly to one side</em> of it.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  1:15 PM by Paul A.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Paul A. on  9.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan Vaněk jr. @ #143: <i>I found Leetkey, but that completely messed up use of function keys on my keyboard.</i></p>

<p>Persistently?</p>

<p>I remember when I first set up Leetkey, it did weird things to my<br />
keyboard, but after I closed and re-started Firefox it behaved itself.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  1:34 PM by Paul A.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #149 from Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan, Leetkey is what I use, and I haven't had any trouble with my<br />
function keys or any other keys on my laptop. Is it possible that you<br />
used a Toggle Editors command when you meant to use a Text Transformer<br />
command?</p>

<p>To my knowledge, http://www.rot13.com/ doesn't have bookmarklet or<br />
Firefox extension functionality. It's just a really simple web page<br />
form into which you can past text for Rot13 transformation.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  1:53 PM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #150 from R. M. Koske</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#148, Paul A - </p>

<p>My trouble was that I could type in "Jan" and "jr." and was trying<br />
to only cut and paste "Vaněk". I should have thought of that trick.<br />
(It's been a very long week, here. Is it Friday yet?)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  4:16 PM by R. M. Koske&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #151 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan@143: <i>what "bow chicka bowwow" means </i></p>

<p>Imagine a 70's guitar riff, kind of a funky <br /><br />
little ditty, but at the same time, cheesy, <br /><br />
because it's a sibling of disco. It requires <br /><br />
the use of a whammy bar on the guitar so that <br /><br />
you can strum the strings and then bend them <br /><br />
all at once. A minimalized version might be <br /><br />
one or two strings and finger bending to get <br /><br />
the "wow" effect.</p>

<p>If you were to try and verbalize it, it <br /><br />
might sound something like <br /><br />
"bow chicka bow wow".</p>

<p>It became the seque soundtrack inserted <br /><br />
between scenes in cheesy porn videos. </p>

<p>It's become sort of a cultural thing. I've <br /><br />
heard stand up comics have stand up routines <br /><br />
using 'bow chicka bow wow'. It can be used <br /><br />
in conversation to imply sexual connotations <br /><br />
to otherwise non-sexual text. Or to twist <br /><br />
someone's previous comment and turn it into <br /><br />
something sexual.  (if you ever read a <br /><br />
fortune cookie, you can do something similar <br /><br />
by appending the phrase "in bed" <br /><br />
to the end of the fortune.)</p>

<p>My favorite use of the phrase was in a <br /><br />
"Red vs Blue" video. I googled around and <br /><br />
couldn't find the whole episode, but<br /><br />
I did find a clip of it </p>

<p><a href="http://www.1up.com/do/club?clubid=110615" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Warning: Red vs Blue can become addictive.</p>

<p><br /><br />
 </p>

<p> </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  7:40 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, direct link to youtube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86ReVJhJCA" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008  7:42 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #153 from Tim Walters</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg London @ 151: <i>It requires the use of a whammy bar on the<br />
guitar so that you can strum the strings and then bend them all at<br />
once. A minimalized version might be one or two strings and finger<br />
bending to get the "wow" effect.</i></p>

<p>I'm pretty sure the canonical sound is done with a wah-wah pedal<br />
rather than a whammy bar, modulating timbre rather than pitch. See<br />
about 1:28 in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EwNc1Nf7I" rel="nofollow">this demo</a>, or <a href="http://www.voxamps.co.uk/downloads/audio/Pedals/V847_Jazzy_Funky_Wah.mp3" rel="nofollow">this mp3</a>.</p>

<p>Not that strings don't get bent, mind, but the wah is the signature.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim@153: <i>done with a wah-wah pedal </i></p>

<p>Ah, you're probably right. That would make it more 70-ish. I don't<br />
have a wah-wah pedal, so I'm not as familiar with the tone. I'd<br />
probably spend a weekend trying to do "bow chicka bow wow" on my<br />
gibson, wondering why I can't get the right sound.</p>

<p>I don't have a talkbox, either, or a drum kit, or... oh, poo. irons, fire, multitudeness.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April  9, 2008 11:34 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #155 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the hub-bub on this topic, I'm surprised no one's brought<br />
up agent Richard Curtis's alternate plan: half the standard royalty<br />
rate, but payable on copies printed at the time of printing rather than<br />
X months/years later, at the price printed on the book.</p>

<p>Cash in hand, on a semi-predictable timetable, and simplified accounting.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 10, 2008  3:17 PM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #156 from joann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn #155:</p>

<p>To my eyes, that looks distressingly close to ink-stained<br />
wretchedness; the idea that it's OK to accept less money for the<br />
privilege of being paid on time is somehow offensive. Not to mention<br />
that it's an upfront statement that (somebody) thinks it's a dead cinch<br />
your book isn't going to sell well. Speaking as someone whose husband's<br />
technical book earned out its advance in the first quarter, and which<br />
still provides some royalty income, the prospect of accepting only half<br />
that money is, in retrospect, nothing short of demented. I suspect that<br />
this also is not the most effective encouragement for the publishers to<br />
produce a large print run at any stage of the game--there simply isn't<br />
enough incentive. Raising the stakes, on the other hand, should<br />
motivate everyone involved.</p>

<p>I admit that the accounting problems are enough to make even a<br />
seasoned CPA blanch, but I'm not at all sure that Curtis' proposal is<br />
the solution, except perhaps as some sort of Literary Agent Paperwork<br />
Reduction Act.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 10, 2008  3:51 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #157 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not an issue of being paid on time per se. Because royalties<br />
are calculated up to 6 months after the given sale of a particular<br />
book, plus the extra time for books to actually sell, and then there's<br />
the amount held back as a reserve against returns from the publisher,<br />
and then there are the special sales that are at a lower royalty rate,<br />
and on and on and on... and that's assuming a complete sell through, of<br />
course. It's probably closer numbers than you think, and certainly<br />
easier to audit copies printed than copies sold. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 10, 2008  4:40 PM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #158 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Haumann (and Patrick, or Teresa will correct my errors), most<br />
books never make it past the first print run. The secondary markets,<br />
and all the other reduced rate sales never apply.</p>

<p>I suspect the publishers would just make shorter print runs, and not<br />
take flyers on book club sales (which, I am guessing) get a lower<br />
roayalty because sales are guaranteed in advance, something like the<br />
half-rate).</p>

<p>But you know what, if I have a book going into multiple printings, I<br />
am losing on that deal. If I'm not earning out my advance, I'm losing<br />
on that deal.</p>

<p>I'm trading half my income for the promise of a more regular<br />
payment? No. That means a fifty percent pay cut. And I don't think it<br />
means a more regular paycheck (unless the publishers get to string me<br />
along, reaping the interest on all those delayed royalties), what will<br />
happen is I get paid a lump when the print run is done, and then I<br />
won't see a penny until the next print run (or next book).</p>

<p>Thanks, but no thanks. My dad saw an unexpected royalty check when<br />
one of his (oop) books was suddenly selling out of Ingrams to India. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 11, 2008 12:00 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #159 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Curtis Plan kind of ran out of steam when everyone, Curtis<br />
included, realized that it amounted to the author betting that fewer<br />
than half the distributed copies would sell.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 11, 2008  5:48 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #160 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm pretty sure the recent popular use of "bom chicka wah-wah" is due to a series of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxxAwue7Fs" rel="nofollow">ads for Axe cologne</a>.<br />
And yes, most of Axe's ads are based around the idea that men's use of<br />
the product will cause them to be sexually harassed by women. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 11, 2008  6:39 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #161 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avram: <i>...most of Axe's ads are based around the idea that men's use of the product will cause them to be sexually harassed by women</i>, but only by women who <i>they</i> happen to think are Really Hot.</p>

<p>FTFY. :-) <br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 11, 2008 10:28 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #162 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, I have to actually show the work in math class. I always hated this part...</p>

<p>Let's take a paperback book with a print run of 100,000 that sells<br />
for $10, for maximum gross sales of one meeeeeelion dollars. I'll use<br />
the royalty plan from my last book, doubling the numbers because it was<br />
a tie-in work:</p>

<p>3% of the retail price of the book, and 2% of the net of all special sales, book clubs, foreign sales, etc.</p>

<p>For the Curtis plan, we'll use 1.5% royalties for every copy printed. That's easy to figure: $15,000, minus any advances.</p>

<p>For a traditional royalty structure, it gets complicated.</p>

<p>You're paid on the number of units sold, so with double the<br />
royalties, you only have to sell half of the books-- in this case,<br />
50,000 copies. Publishing, however, is one of the few businesses in<br />
which "sold" does not mean "sold", because books are merchandised on a<br />
fully returnable basis -- that is, the bookseller may return them to<br />
the publisher for a refund, usually in the form of credit toward the<br />
purchase of other books.</p>

<p>So although your royalty statement may show 50000 copies sold, some<br />
of those copies may well show up unsold (returned) on a future<br />
statement, after booksellers or distributors have shipped back the<br />
stock they couldn’t dispose of. Until it is clear to publishers that<br />
the copies they’ve shipped will not be returned, they hold some or all<br />
of your royalties in reserve.</p>

<p>Because books are sold on a returnable basis, publishers are<br />
entitled by contract to withhold a "reasonable" percentage of an<br />
author’s royalties as a reserve against returns. If a publisher knows<br />
that 50 percent of the copies of every novel in his romance line come<br />
back no matter how good the book, he will hold back at least 50 percent<br />
of the money he collects from bookstores and distributors, knowing he<br />
will eventually have to refund that much. Publishers frequently hold<br />
money in excess of the figure their experience tells them is normal and<br />
reasonable, however. For instance, for the above line of romances, the<br />
publisher may reserve 60 or 75 percent or more. Though they have been<br />
paid for the books sold, they keep the money (which earns interest for<br />
the publisher, of course, not the author) until they see whether the<br />
books are going to come back. Some of them do; some of them don’t.<br />
After a while, publishers are supposed to release some of the reserve<br />
money as it becomes clear that many of the books out there are never<br />
going to come back. But there's no way of telling if or when that will<br />
happen.</p>

<p>Now add in the discounted value of cash, which is to say that cash<br />
that comes in two years from now isn't worth as much as cash you get<br />
today. Think of it as interest in reverse. Your royalty payments will<br />
come in six months after the sale of the books at the earliest; with<br />
longer sales times and the slow release of reserves against returns.<br />
Which means that you'll get paid-- let's say a year after your initial<br />
sales. That can be a discounted value of 5-15% a year, depending on<br />
inflation and whether you have to borrow money to live in the meantime.<br />
Now you're talking about 60,000 in sales just to match the Curtis<br />
royalty-- and there's no way to predict when or if that money will<br />
actually come in.</p>

<p>So, to take one hypothetical sales scenario, your book has a sell<br />
through of 66% over the course of a year, which is respectable. A year<br />
after your book is printed, you get a royalty statement for $20000,<br />
with 50% held in reserve against returns. So that's $10,000, minus 10%<br />
for discounted cash value, for $9000 in money today. After the reserves<br />
are all released four years later, that's about $6500 more in today's<br />
money. Maybe. Change any of those percentages, like sell-through, and<br />
watch the numbers change, and uncertainty is the name of the game here.<br />
If you like a predictable cash flow, the Curtis plan is for you. If you<br />
want to gamble on what you'll get a few years down the line...</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, the numbers even up at about 36% of the printed books not<br />
selling. But your point is well taken. If the Curtis Plan was a royalty<br />
of two thirds of standard instead of a half, it would be break even at<br />
75-80% sell through, which sounds about right.</p>]]>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #164 from Charlie Stross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, at risk of wandering off-topic, I find your numbers<br />
disturbing. Are you telling me you only get 3% on cover price for mass<br />
market paperbacks when you're writing tie-ins?</p>

<p>(Because, speaking as someone who doesn't write tie-ins, it sounds like you're being raped.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 12, 2008  7:47 AM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #165 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 percent?  Yoicks!  </p>

<p>For technical books on computing and photography we get 15 percent.</p>

<p>3 percent? I can see where a 1.5 percent of total cost might seem<br />
acceptable, at that scale. But giving up 7.5 percent, that's a horse of<br />
a different color.</p>

<p>I think I'm with Charlie Stross, that's disturbing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 12, 2008  5:20 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the royalty percentages are lousy on tie-ins, but you make it<br />
up on volume. Really. Tie-in works usually do twice the business of<br />
originals.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008 11:54 AM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Hauman:  If tie-ins do so well, then I think the arguments for the 1/2 rate scheme fall apart again.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008 12:22 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #168 from Jon Meltzer sees Dostoyevskyan spam</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raskolnikov!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted May  7, 2008  7:25 AM by Jon Meltzer sees Dostoyevskyan spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 07:25:43 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Pity the Times -- comment #169 from Ambar sees old and new spam probes</title>
         <description>comment from Ambar sees old and new spam probes on 10.Jun.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(too tired to be witty, sorry)<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 10, 2008  5:35 AM by Ambar sees old and new spam probes&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:35:31 -0500</pubDate>
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