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      <description> William Carlos Williams Is a Really Bad Roommate The &amp;#8220;Official&amp;#8221; Ramen Homepage collects ramen-based recipes. (Can you tell the...</description>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #1 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the same spirit, here's a fascinating <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zack-exley/the-new-organizers-part-1_b_132782.html" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> describing the Obama ground game.  The method could (and probably will) be used as a primer for future community organizing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:16 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #2 from Adam Lipkin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been a fan of the ramen page for a while (and I highly recommend some of the ramen and egg recipes).</p>

<p>They also occasionally cover <a href="http://mattfischer.com/ramen/?p=548" rel="nofollow">fashion</a>. :-)</p>

<p>Incidentally, at my local Shaw's, a box of ten Machuran beef ramen packets has risen almost a dollar in the last three months (from $2 to $2.85). Still cheap, but not as cheap as I'd gotten used to.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:22 PM by Adam Lipkin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #3 from Keith</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never understood the Shepherd Fairey hate. It's solid, well designed, eye catching and dynamic with it's own visual language. Everything you want in a designer of posters, CD covers and book jackets.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:25 PM by Keith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #4 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning: Some of the Mad Men period illos are slightly spoilerish. (I'm several weeks behind.)</p>

<p>I once made cold sesame ramen noodles. A bit of creamy peanut butter, hot sesame oil, sesame seeds.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:30 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #5 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the Netherlands, the Google text ads on the Official Ramen Homepage are advertising windows and windowsills.</p>

<p>You see, the Dutch word for "windows" is "ramen".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:31 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #6 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi@ 5: I am now in a hurry to close all my ramen and shut down my computer before I eat it. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:35 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #7 from miriam beetle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keith,</p>

<p><i>Never understood the Shepherd Fairey hate.</i></p>

<p>certain segment of the population seem to believe that if you use photographs, it's cheating. which should have gone out with... the first artist to use a photograph, in my opinion.</p>

<p>if tracing off a photograph is "just copying," then anyone should be able to get the same results if they have the same source & tools at their disposal. which that page disproves delightfully well.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  4:46 PM by miriam beetle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #8 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love to eat them ramens, <br />
Ramen's what I love to eat. <br />
Bite they yummy noodles...<br />
Nibble on they OM NOM NOM NOM.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  5:00 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #9 from Tracey S. Rosenberg</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course ramen is honored by Jorge Cham as part of the graduate student food pyramid, in the <a href="http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=582" rel="nofollow">cheap foods you eat from a bowl</a> tier.</p>

<p>I haven't been a graduate student for a while now, and yet the 'free food' urge has never left me.  Kind of like my student loans....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  5:07 PM by Tracey S. Rosenberg&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #10 from Chris Quinones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've never been a grad student - there's nothing wrong with free food, whatever your status in life.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  5:15 PM by Chris Quinones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #11 from Madeline F</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the WCW bad roommate poems.  Reminds me of why I'm moving.  In my case it would be something like,</p>

<p>This is just to say</p>

<p>I have replaced<br />
the hand towels<br />
that were in<br />
the bathroom</p>

<p>and which<br />
you thought were<br />
plush<br />
and washable</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
I did not notice<br />
I don't <br />
wash my hands</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  5:42 PM by Madeline F&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #12 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">another one.</a></p>

<p>Friends for sixty years and still going strong. Ya gotta love it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  7:37 PM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #13 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>miriam beetle @ 7</b></p>

<p>That segment of the population seems to forget that a lot of the great art of the Renaissance was created with techniques like tracing the screen of a camera obscura.  It's the result that counts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  8:32 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #14 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to say</p>

<p>I have written all possible<br />
William Carlos Williams poems<br />
that could be in Borges' library,</p>

<p>and which you thought you'd<br />
write when you got around to it.</p>

<p>Forgive me,<br />
He is stone cold<br />
and can't do<br />
anything about it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008  8:55 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #15 from Dom</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The October 2008 whiteboard <a href="http://www.theartofthepossible.net/2008/10/12/how-we-got-them-to-take-our-crap/" rel="nofollow">video</a> explanation of CDOs ("How we got them to take our crap") is copied from this cool December 2007 <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/interactive-features/2007/12/cdo" rel="nofollow">animation</a>.</p>

<p>(Oops, I just noticed that the link is in the sidebar, not this thread. Forgive the digression.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008 11:16 PM by Dom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #16 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bruce @13</b>, are you referring to David Hockney's theory about Renaissance art? Because it's far from proven. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 15, 2008 11:56 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #17 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, as I understand it, Hockney's theory is about the Dutch masters.  I was thinking of the earlier Italians; I know that Leonardo investigated the camera obscura, and I'm sure I remember seeing sketches from at least one other artist showing him using the device.  I may have overstated the amount of work done with it, but I think (it's been a <i>long</i> time since I studied any of this; mostly I rely on Eva's memory of several years worth of art history classes) that it's been generally assumed that it would have been used by some of the same people who worked out the viewport method of analyzing perspective.</p>

<p>I may have picked a bad example, but the point I was trying to make is that all art is a bag of tricks (or several bags), and trying to say one trick is legitimate and another is not isn't either very reasonable or especially useful.  What matters is what the art communicates to the viewer, not how the artist created it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  2:14 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #18 from miriam beetle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bruce,</p>

<p><i>but the point I was trying to make is that all art is a bag of tricks (or several bags), and trying to say one trick is legitimate and another is not isn't either very reasonable or especially useful. What matters is what the art communicates to the viewer, not how the artist created it.</i></p>

<p>hear, hear.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  3:12 AM by miriam beetle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #19 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14: no problem, we can just go ahead with the shift to Walter Carlos Williams.</p>

<p>This Is Just To Say</p>

<p>I have written <br />
the space opera trilogy<br />
that is now<br />
in bookshops</p>

<p>and that <br />
you will <br />
probably <br />
find yourself reading at some point </p>

<p>forgive me <br />
the plot is a little<br />
implausible<br />
but oo the characterisation</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  8:51 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #20 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, indeed, Jerome Karlos Jerome:</p>

<p>This Is Just To Say</p>

<p>I have forgotten<br />
To bring the tin opener<br />
Which I left<br />
On the kitchen table</p>

<p>And which we <br />
Were probably<br />
Relying on<br />
To enable us to eat</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
I was distracted<br />
By H<br />
(Or, possibly, the dog Montmorency)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  8:58 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #21 from C. Wingate</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not especially convinced by the <i>camera obscura</i> hypothesis, particularly looking at van Eyck's work. There are two things that make me particularly dubious. One is the <a href="http://www.wga.hu/art/e/eyck_van/jan/01page/11alberg.jpg" rel="nofollow">Albergati portrait</a>. For whatever reason we have what seems to be a <a href="http://www.wga.hu/art/e/eyck_van/jan/01page/111alber.jpg" rel="nofollow">preliminary study</a> done in silverpoint. It's quite instructive to use a tabbed browser and flip back and forth between the two, because it shows a considerable distortion has taken place between them. The face in the drawing is rather too large for the rest of the head and the shoulders, but in the painting, it's a little overcorrected. It's hard to explain this optically, because they did have pantographic devices and could simply transfer one to the other fairly exactly. It seems more likely to me that van Eyck rendered the face and the ear in the drawing quite closely, but then just sketched the rest in to suggest the contours without worrying about exact detail. Then, in painting from the sketch, he fixed the proportions, but lost some of the facial detail in "flattening" the facial curve to match the corrections. (The only other explanation that makes much sense is that someone else of extremely high talent did the sketch from the painting; but then the problem becomes explaining why the sketch shows detail that the painting does not.)</p>

<p>The other thing I see is that the many paintings of the "virgin in a room" type almost uniformly exhibit the classic error of beginning one-point perspective. To start with, if a <i>camera</i> was involved, he had to have used the view camera trick of shifting the image plane to achieve parallelism. I don't know that they knew about that back then, but in any case the strictly rectangular shape of the back walls argues for construction rather than tracing. But beyond that, the shape of the room is wrong. I did this sort of painting myself back in high school, and he has done what I did, except not with such exaggeration. The shape of the space has been flattened, so that the walls and floor and ceiling appear to slope away from the viewer a bit. When looking with the eye alone, the tendency is to put more of the periphery into the picture than a camera would actually see; to maintain the perspective, the viewpoint shifts further away, but the sides of the box are then twisted so as to shrink the back wall. A camera clips all this stuff out; or if moved farther away, it shows more of the sides, but tilts the distant portion of them even more. It does seem to me that the patron portraits in these paintings were done separately at some stage and then applied to the painting (a practice supported by the drawing/painting pair). They seem in some sense very "accurate", but they don't fit into the perspective of the room.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 11:20 AM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #22 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Carlos Castaneda?</p>

<p>I have eaten<br />
the peyote<br />
and pissed on<br />
the dog</p>

<p>and now<br />
I can no longer<br />
return<br />
to Ixtlan.</p>

<p>Believe me<br />
like don Juan I am<br />
become<br />
a warrior.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 11:28 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Is Just To Say</p>

<p>I have signed<br />
the letters<br />
that were in<br />
my in tray</p>

<p>With the name <br />
"Washington Irving"<br />
(or occasionally<br />
"Irving Washington").</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
I am not coping<br />
well <br />
with my promotion</p>

<p>--- Major Carlos Major</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 11:40 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #24 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti Carlos Anti</p>

<p><br />
This is just to say</p>

<p>I have grown tired<br />
of the parodies<br />
of that dratted<br />
little poem,</p>

<p>which you <br />
most probably<br />
thought so refined<br />
and enjoyable.</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
the were boring me<br />
far past the point<br />
of tears.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 12:00 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #25 from ajay</title>
         <description>comment from ajay on 16.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have marked<br />
about a third <br />
of the<br />
student papers</p>

<p>which leaves <br />
only another eighty<br />
squatting <br />
on my desk</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
I am now going<br />
a little bit <br />
bonkers</p>

<p>--- Fragano Carlos Ledgister</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 12:32 PM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #26 from Erik Nelson</title>
         <description>comment from Erik Nelson on 16.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ths s jst t sy<br />
hv tn ll th vwls<br />
Tht wr n th lphbt.</p>

<p>Frgv m<br />
ddn't rlz y hd nygthng lft t sy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 12:48 PM by Erik Nelson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #27 from Faren Miller</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing this blog's fondness for things piratical, here's a link to a "Science Daily" item called <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081015110751.htm" rel="nofollow">Did Pirates Create the Credit Crunch?</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  1:02 PM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #28 from Rob Rusick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There had been a <a href="http://m.democratandchronicle.com/detail.jsp?key=64268&full=1" rel="nofollow">local competition</a> to submit poems in the form of <i>This is Just to Say</i>, written as similarly insincere apologies. 180 were eventually received.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, the newspaper moved <a href="http://search.democratandchronicle.com/sp?aff=1100&skin=100&keywords=%22William+Carlos+Williams%22&x=0&y=0" rel="nofollow">a couple of articles describing the winning entries</a>, from a public archive to another location requiring a payment to view them. All the links I've found via Google point to the original archive article, and are now broken.</p>

<p>The first link above in the article announcing the competition shows a few examples written by University of Rochester students*; ultimately, the winning entry had been written by a fourth-grader.</p>

<p><br />
* <br />
1) This Is Just To Say </p>

<p>I knew you <br />
were going to <br />
eat the plums <br />
that were in <br />
the icebox. </p>

<p>You always do. </p>

<p>So I took it <br />
as an opportunity <br />
and poisoned them.</p>

<p><br />
2) Everything gets <br />
turned into a poem <br />
with you. </p>

<p>I couldn't <br />
take it anymore. </p>

<p>Try writing <br />
about that. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  2:01 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #29 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 16.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay #25: Only a little bit, you think?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  2:38 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #30 from C. Wingate</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I think the Fairley hate is in reaction to the Heroic Realism. OTOH the "MORE COWBELL" one is classic.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  2:40 PM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #31 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people made me do <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010693.html#010693" rel="nofollow">a bad thing</a>.  I hope you're sorry...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  2:41 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #32 from Jon Meltzer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so much depends<br />
upon</p>

<p>a cold white<br />
icebox</p>

<p>open with <br />
plum stems</p>

<p>beside a note<br />
"sorry".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008  5:24 PM by Jon Meltzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #33 from Rob Rusick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Rusick @28: <i>Unfortunately, the newspaper moved a couple of articles describing the winning entries, from a public archive to another location requiring a payment to view them. All the links I've found via Google point to the original archive article, and are now broken.</i></p>

<p>Ah, here is <a href="http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:nknQ88_e2hIJ:www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20080719/PROMO/307200002/1002/RSS01+%22Leah+Warth%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us" rel="nofollow">a google-cached page</a> for the article describing some of the winning entries.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 16, 2008 10:28 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #34 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 17.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ajay @ 19</b></p>

<p>Hmm, my subconscious seems to be trying to tell me that the poet was really William William Williams III, formerly a meteor miner who was actually a cover identity for Kimball Kinnison.  Either that or I've been listening to too many of Rev. Spooner's sermons.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 17, 2008  2:40 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #35 from geekosaur</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bruce Cohen @<a href="#300783" rel="nofollow">34</a>:</strong><br />
Sybly White, actually.  Except for its lacking mention of a zymosely polydactile tongue.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 18, 2008 12:16 AM by geekosaur&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Links for 15 Oct 2008 -- comment #36 from geekosaur</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm.  All that and then I spell it wrong.  Sybly <em>Whyte</em>, he of the space opera starring QADGOP THE MERCOTAN (caps his).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 18, 2008 12:25 PM by geekosaur&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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