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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #1 from chris</title>
         <description>comment from chris on 28.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wow, Bob. Who told you that it was a clever plan to make sure the judge saw that?</i></p>

<p>Actually, they need the judge to see *something* like that, to prove that the defendants said something defamatory about the plaintiff.  Which it certainly does prove.</p>

<p>Unfortunately for Fletcher, in order to recover in the lawsuit, it has to be FALSE and defamatory, which I gather was his problem.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2009  8:46 PM by chris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #2 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 28.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we know Robert Fletcher's home address, I at one point looked up the place where he lives. It's awfully nice -- attractive house, backyard swimming pool/jacuzzi and pool house, very flossy neighborhood, five nearby golf courses, with a classic Florida vacation-poster beach a few minutes' drive in one direction and a national wildlife reserve a few minutes' drive in the other. I also looked up its probable value. Even with the recent collapse in Florida real estate, it's worth a fair bit. He owns a boat, too.</p>

<p>If his house and lifestyle were paid for by commissions on the deals he's made for his clients, he'd not only have more than four bitty deals to his credit, but some of his clients would have to be well-known authors.</p>

<p>In other news, I recentlly saw where Fletcher was boasting to Publishers Weekly that his publishing branch (which he insists isn't a vanity operation) has published over 1,000 authors and sold 50,000 books, which of course comes out to an average of fifty sales per title. Want to know how pathetic that is? Publish America, which is unquestionably a vanity publishing operation, sells an average of 72-73 copies per title.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2009  8:53 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #3 from Lighthill</title>
         <description>comment from Lighthill on 28.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To the contrary, the issuance of such an Order will only serve to protect the public interest in ensuring that such interests pertinent in this matter are protected in the future.</i></p>

<p>Is it just me, or is this completely circular?  I ask because I'm not used to seeing one-sentence instances of circular reasoning.  Most practitioners stick a few sentences in between the "Assuming X" part and the "So therefore X" part.</p>

<p>("Putting peanut butter on your kitten will protect him from goblins by insuring that such kitten is protected from goblins in the future.")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2009  9:51 PM by Lighthill&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #4 from julia</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm thrilled to pieces for you guys.</p>

<p>I hope he ends up writing you large checks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2009 11:44 PM by julia&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #5 from Wyman Cooke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He'll probably claim to be too poor to pay, and that his house isn't his house.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  1:36 AM by Wyman Cooke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #6 from [spam deleted]</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[cramming spam on a scam thread from 114.224.173.44]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  3:45 AM by [spam deleted]&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #7 from Daniel Martin </title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, we get it.  This guy is a fraud who filed a frivilous SLAPP lawsuit that was dismissed with some rather forceful language by the judge.</p>

<p>At some point, doesn't it become a bit like kicking a corpse to keep posting harangues about it?</p>

<p>Granted, he apparently is still holding out to some marks that he'll win this lawsuit, which may make it more like kicking a zombie,  Still, there's something about this latest post that just feels wrong.  (While still being entertaining)</p>

<p>I can't quite put my finger on it, but it feels a bit like when we're telling war stories at work about unqualified candidates - it's okay to a point, but at some point it slips from mocking hillariously wrong answers to mocking the candidates themselves, and that's decidedly not ok.  I won't claim that this situation is at all analogous, but I'm beginning to get a similarly uneasy feeling to the one I get when those conversations turn awry.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  6:31 AM by Daniel Martin &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #8 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At some point, doesn't it become a bit like kicking a corpse to keep posting harangues about it?</i></p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>This man is still out there, and still, today, defrauding authors.</p>

<p>Mocking Bobby Fletcher, himself, personally, is not just "okay."  It's an <i>admirable</i> thing to do.</p>

<p>Nor is this the last post I plan to make about Bouncing Bobby.  My last post will be when I report how much prison time he gets.</p>

<p>This man launched a frivolous lawsuit against me, for the purpose of harassment.  He should be able to take a couple--or even a half-dozen--blog posts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  6:43 AM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #9 from Jules</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"WHEREFORE, for the foregoing reasons,"</p>

<p>As opposed to "wherefore for the following reasons?"</p>

<p>Hint to whoever wrote that: "wherefore" and "for the foregoing reasons" both mean the same thing.  You come across as though either you don't understand what you're writing or you think the judge won't understand it.  I'm sure you didn't want to imply the latter...<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  7:00 AM by Jules&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #10 from Mark</title>
         <description>comment from Mark on 29.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Martin @ 7: As long as Bobby Fletcher is still <i>running</i> his scam, it's a public service to generate as many Google hits as possible blowing the lid off his shenanigans.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  7:26 AM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #11 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 29.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that happens all the time in scam hunting is hearing from poor deluded first-time authors who write saying, "Woe!  Alas!  I spent $X,XXX and all I got was a run-around!  What shall I do?  Can you help me get my money back?"  </p>

<p>And I say, "Didn't you see the warnings about Scammer Y?" </p>

<p>And the new author says, "Yes, but they were all from a year ago, so I figured that he must have cleaned up his act or he wouldn't be in business any more!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  9:00 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #12 from Vicki</title>
         <description>comment from Vicki on 29.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel @7:</p>

<p>Do you realize that you're telling a <em>victim of attempted censorship</em> (that being what all SLAPP lawsuits are) to stop talking about the subject? </p>

<p>That's very different from pointing out flaws in an unsolicitied manuscript or job application (or love not): a person or company can simply ignore those. They aren't being forced to hire lawyers to protect their right to tell the truth about a thief or other criminal. </p>

<p>More generally, I'd say it's up to someone who has been attacked to decide how much they want to say, and your and my decision is whether we want to engage in the conversation. In person or otherwise one-on-one, that may mean saying "I'm sorry, I find this stressful" or politely changing the subject if you think you've heard it all and expressed sympathy already. On something like Making Light, if you find a subject uninteresting, go read the next thing. That this is, in fact, Jim's blog rather than yours or mine is relevant here: but the key point is that, I hope without realizing it, you're siding with a bully and thief and against his victims.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  9:24 AM by Vicki&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #13 from Jules</title>
         <description>comment from Jules on 29.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark @10: I would comment, however, that due to the way google collapses any chunk of more than 2 results from the same site to the top 2 plus a "more from this site" link[1], it would be more productive to do so on as many different sites as possible.</p>

<p>As an aside, people may be interested in hearing a little more about <a href="http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr16960.htm" rel="nofollow">the action that lead to Fletcher's securities fraud conviction</a>.  Fletcher was one of three directors of byteaudio.com at the time this was happening, and when the SEC press release states that byteaudio "maintained [its] own sales force to attract investors", that appears to have been Fletcher's role in the company.</p>

<p>[1]: To save people googling themselves: the top two Making Light links are currently parts 1 and 3 of this series, and show up in 2nd and 3rd places respectively.  The 1st place is a writers.net discussion ("Robert M. Fletcher - EXPOSED!")  The fourth is the unregistered securities order Jim linked to above; the fifth is a document from the same site that has Fletcher's name in the title but does not concern him.  Sixth comes the absolutewrite discussion on LAG; next is a "zoominfo" page about Fletcher (a collection of articles scraped from various web sites that describe his business, in terms varying from "not recommended" to "[ST Literary Agency] is only the latest incarnation is what appears to be an ongoing string of cash-cow FRAUDS")  Then we have Writer Beware, a <a href="http://www.blogowogo.com/blog_article.php?aid=2323510&t=11" rel="nofollow">page</a> that seems to be scraped from Making Light's RSS feed, and finally an irrelevant page that isn't about Fletcher at all.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009 10:02 AM by Jules&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the Judge's decision on costs isn't working. It looks as though the sfwa.org site is being reorganised, and the URL needs adjusting.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009 11:35 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it all settles down over there I'll make any necessary changes.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009 11:37 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #16 from Tom Whitmore</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules @13: what string did you Google on? Listing Google results without saying what you searched for is like listing economic stats without mentioning what country was involved.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009 12:40 PM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #17 from shadowsong</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom whitmore @16: my own quick test suggests that he searched on "robert m. fletcher" - without the quotes.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  1:46 PM by shadowsong&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #18 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wyman @ 5, <br />
  I believe under Florida law it's impossible for your house to be seized as part of either bankruptcy or criminal penalties.  That's another reason there are a lot of scammers based in Florida (with very nice houses.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  2:50 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #19 from julia</title>
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<p>Just saying.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009  9:56 PM by julia&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #20 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 29.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher's a professional. He's been doing this stuff for a long time, under innumerable pseudonyms. I can't begin to tell you how cynical he is about it. Don't waste your compassion on him. He's got none himself, and extending it to him will just make him think you're a sucker.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, Jim's put in years of work at AW to help aspiring writers understand why Fletcher and his ilk are pushing scams. In a lot of cases, the writers have already been defrauded, sometimes by more than one scammer.</p>

<p>It gets very, very frustrating.</p>

<p>Jim has earned this wrath, and Fletcher has earned the kicking.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 29, 2009 11:13 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #21 from Jane Smith</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I can understand Daniel Martin's point: but I agree more with Teresa in #20.</p>

<p>If James ever wants to write a post about Fletcher for my blog, I'd be very glad to play host to him.  Fletcher attracts writers from the UK too, and there's not nearly enough awareness about publishing scams over here.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2009  3:59 AM by Jane Smith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Smith:  If you want to use any of this, or link to it, feel free.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2009  6:30 AM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #23 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 30.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the important thing for anyone to remember is that the world is changing. If you want a few copies of a book, you can go the Print-on-Demand self-publishing route. You can keep control, and if you put a bit of effort in on the copy editing, you can have a better book on your bookshelf than any vanity publisher can get you.</p>

<p>Call it a big fanzine.</p>

<p>But it is a more honest way of feeding the desire that the vanity publisher exploits.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2009  8:33 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #24 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 30.Aug.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vanity publisher exploits the need for validation.  The feeling that someone thinks that your prose is good.  Selected it.  Approves of it.</p>

<p>Vanity publishing provides a false seeming.  It's like a photo-realistic painting of a diner.  No matter how much it looks like a diner from out front you still can't get a cup of coffee there.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 30, 2009  4:23 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher of Boca Raton, Scammer.  Part IV -- comment #25 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 28.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More details on how Fletcher treats his own employees <a href="http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2009/09/victoria-strauss-florida-attorney.html" rel="nofollow">in the comment thread here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 28, 2009 12:53 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:53:00 -0500</pubDate>
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