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      <description>Attorney General Files Lawsuit Against &quot;Literary Company&quot; TALLAHASSEE, FL - Attorney General Bill McCollum today announced that his office filed...</description>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #1 from dcb</title>
         <description>comment from dcb on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow! Let's hope they make it stick.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  5:22 PM by dcb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #2 from Julia Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Julia Jones on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to break out the bubbly. There's a way to go yet, but even this step will make the scamming that little bit more difficult.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  5:30 PM by Julia Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #3 from David Dyer-Bennet</title>
         <description>comment from David Dyer-Bennet on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia@2: Well, time to put the bubbly in the fridge, at least.  While it seems very likely that this will result in running Fletcher out of the business, and bankrupting him, it's by no means guaranteed yet.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  5:35 PM by David Dyer-Bennet&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #4 from Jane Smith</title>
         <description>comment from Jane Smith on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely bloody brilliant.  My congratulations to those who have helped the authorities reach this point.  I admire you all.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  5:39 PM by Jane Smith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #5 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there was much rejoicing.  For me, this is the delicious bit:<blockquote>The Attorney General is also seeking full restitution on behalf of all victimized consumers, civil penalties of $10,000 for each violation of the Florida Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices Act, and reimbursement for fees and costs related to the investigation.</blockquote>There's no way he can pay that.  They may not be able to take his house, but if he sells it they get the money (don't they? IANAL).</p>

<p>But the civil lawsuit, even if concluded successfully, is only the first step, right?  Can't the decision in this case be evidence in a criminal one?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  5:45 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #6 from Josh Jasper</title>
         <description>comment from Josh Jasper on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if google ad sense should be informed.  I see ads for his scams quite frequently.  Google for 'how do i get published' and WritersLiteraryAgency.com shows up as one of the paid ad options.  </p>

<p>@ David Dyer-Bennet -  All he has to do is fleece some more suckers.  It's jail time that would actually do something.  Taking away money form someone who swindles away other people's money for a living just encourages him to be a more effective swindler.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  6:03 PM by Josh Jasper&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #7 from Mark</title>
         <description>comment from Mark on  3.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher @ 5: Sadly, no, a civil judgment can't be used as evidence to prove the matter adjudicated in a criminal trial. The rules of evidence are similar and the case to prove the matter would be presented similarly, but the <i>standard</i> of proof is a whole different other (beyond a reasonable doubt [every judge who tried to set a percentage for this standard has been overturned on appeal] vs. by a preponderance of the evidence [anything over 50%]). Also, the specific elements of the crimes being charged may differ in some legally significant way from the elements needed to establish civil liability.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  6:15 PM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #8 from Wyman Cooke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right! Here's hoping, which may be foolish in this case, that this suit will finally put him out of business.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  8:22 PM by Wyman Cooke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #9 from Chris</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Florida and the fabled "home protected in bankruptcy" thing does not apply to State civil complaints. If he loses, he loses everything.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  8:33 PM by Chris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #10 from Mark Wise</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scha-</p>

<p>den-<br />
effin<br />
freude</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  3, 2009  9:37 PM by Mark Wise&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #11 from Daniel Martin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. (*)</p>

<p>(*) Although I'm sure that somewhere in the multiverse there is probably someone more deserving, I just can't think of anyone at the moment.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009  7:23 AM by Daniel Martin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #12 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on  4.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Daniel<br />
Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, Anton Scalia, John Roberts... for the decision that a woman who sued on labor and wage complaint for systematic sex discrimination and underpayment, as soon as she had evidence to prove it, waited too long... and for their other decisions, including the ones who were on the Supreme Court when it appointed the war criminal misadministration into office.... and the war criminal misadministrators, of course.... that entire bunch is much worse that Fletcher.  He's a white collar scammer who commits fraud for money, and someone who dupes people out of their income--but he's not a torturer, not a destroyer of world heritage; not someone who promulgated orders to stand aside and give thieves, robbers, looters, vandals, arsonists, rapists, and murderers license to commit mayhem and devastation and intimidation, and failed to even secure and guard munitions dumps full of material up to and including high explosives...</p>

<p>And of course the law enforcement and redaction and revision and modification and repeal of laws protecting consumers, by the misadministration and the judiciary which it appointed/which colluded with it, facilated Fletcher's activities and fostered his continuing in those activities  bilking more people....  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009  8:43 AM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #13 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on  4.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 myself</p>

<p>Oops, I left out the virtual slavery in the Marianas that the misadministration facilitated and promoted and blocked investigation and termination of....  I wonder if Fletcher has been a political contributor and active in political support.... </p>

<p>Birds of a feather flock together, etc.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009  8:47 AM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #14 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  4.Sep.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Paula, Hitler <i>was</i> worse.  But we can't do anything about Hitler, and we <i>can</i> do something about Fletcher.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009  9:31 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #15 from Paula Lieberman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 James D.</p>

<p>Yes, and I applaud the time and effort pursuant to squelching Fletcher. I hope that the effort effects a permanent termination to his scams.... I wonder alas if there are people who are almost incapable of changing their ways... redemption is something that is almost never not available, but not everyone avails themself of it, alas.</p>

<p>Perhaps he will find some just and noble cause to put his energy and focus to, that doesn't involve scamming people, one can only hope.  Nothing that's occurred to date seems to have dissuaded him. </p>

<p>(I have this sudden picture of a publisher of televangical preachers with Internet audiences and distributor of promo videos....)</p>

<p>(One of the amazing things about a lot of scammers is the amount of effort and determination they put into perpetrating their scams... if they put as much time and effort and focus into just and noble, or at least, innocuous legimate enterprises, they'd not be such targets for ire and attack, and might even be commercially legitimately successful....)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009 10:16 AM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #16 from Michael Mock</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um... Muwahahahahaha? Yes, definitely. Muwahahahaha!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2009  4:35 PM by Michael Mock&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #17 from Ingvar</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula Liebermann @ #15:</p>

<p>From my (admittedly very far from perfect) understanding, one of the things that drive con-artists is the buzz they get from when they con a mark. I suspect more legit business practices don't give the same buzz opportunity and taht is a shame, because if that was the case, maybe we'd have fewer con-artists.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009  8:07 AM by Ingvar&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #18 from epdaws</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm wading in cautiously as a first-time commenter. I also happen to be a first-time author, so I hope this is relevant. A friend insisted I come over here to seek out the "generous, outstanding advice from the authors and professionals in the comments section." </p>

<p>I am a novice in the deep sea of publishing contracts.</p>

<p>My book is non-fiction and regional. I have secured an offer without an agent. The offer includes an initial print run of 10k with a modest advance and what appears to be a standard schedule of royalties. And here is where I'll betray just now little I know about contracts.</p>

<p>Territory is listed as "World." Should this bother me?</p>

<p>The book concept can travel to other regions, and I'd like to make sure I own the brand. Is it standard to negotiate branding?</p>

<p>The release is listed as roughly a year after delivery date. Is that standard?</p>

<p>Is there a roughly average advance and royalty schedule for books of this nature?</p>

<p>I understand that it might come off as overly rude for a first-time commenter to barge in and seek counsel. For that I apologize. Cheers and thanks for any insight you might be able to provide, and it's nice to find such a welcoming and passionate forum!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009 10:21 AM by epdaws&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #19 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am a novice in the deep sea of publishing contracts.</i></p>

<p>Welcome, friend.</p>

<p>First, let me say that I am neither an agent nor a lawyer, nor have I seen your contact, nor do I know which publisher you're with.</p>

<p>Have you considered getting an agent?  A contract in hand is a powerful lure, and an agent knows where the land mines are buried in all sorts of contracts.  You can get an agent for just one project, if you wish.</p>

<p>Remember, a useful agent has sold things you've heard of.</p>

<p><br />
<i>My book is non-fiction and regional. I have secured an offer without an agent. The offer includes an initial print run of 10k with a modest advance and what appears to be a standard schedule of royalties. And here is where I'll betray just now little I know about contracts.</i></p>

<p><i>Territory is listed as "World." Should this bother me?</i></p>

<p>Does the publisher in fact have the ability to sell world-wide?  If not, try to negotiate to just the territories where they do business.  You might find out if they have regular dealings with overseas publishers who routinely do foreign editions of their books.</p>

<p><br />
<i>The book concept can travel to other regions, and I'd like to make sure I own the brand. Is it standard to negotiate branding</i></p>

<p>Branding?  Say what?</p>

<p><i>The release is listed as roughly a year after delivery date. Is that standard?</i></p>

<p>There's no such thing as "standard," but it isn't unusual.  Does the contract specify what becomes of the work if they fail to bring it out in a year?  I trust that the rights revert to you, and you keep the advance.</p>

<p><i>Is there a roughly average advance and royalty schedule for books of this nature?</i></p>

<p>Short answer:  No.  Longer answer:  The royalties should be based on cover price, and are usually in the 8% to 15% range.  The advance is usually what the publisher figures the total royalties will be over the life of the book.</p>

<p><i>I understand that it might come off as overly rude for a first-time commenter to barge in and seek counsel. For that I apologize. Cheers and thanks for any insight you might be able to provide, and it's nice to find such a welcoming and passionate forum!</i></p>

<p>Not a problem.  I'm not certain that this is the best thread for it, though.  Not that I'm sure what the right one would be.</p>

<p>Please feel free to look around and read and comment wherever you please.  This bit of indexing might help you out:  <a href="http://wyrdsmiths.blogspot.com/2007/10/writers-index-to-making-light.html" rel="nofollow">A Writer's Index to Making Light</a> </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009 10:52 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #20 from epdaws</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>

<p>You're very kind. I appreciate the help and welcome. I'll poke around the place and, ahem, lurk for a while. </p>

<p>Many thanks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009 11:08 AM by epdaws&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #21 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of how regional non-fiction can be enough of a brand to be worth thinking of that angle. Think, folks, of a series of books of curiousities--local myths and legends, for instance, working through the USA state by state.</p>

<p>(I'm not saying it's a good example.)</p>

<p>But it's exactly the sort of thing that a competent agent can advise on.</p>

<p>Beyond that, I can't say.</p>

<p>But I can assure you I know several authors besides Jim who would give the same advice as he has. Good luck.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009  2:58 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #22 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>epdaws: If by branding you mean that your book is the first part of a projected series which you hope to establish as a brand, similar to (for example) the 'Lonely Planet' travel guides, then my suspicion is you probably would want that covered specifically in the contract to ensure you retain rights, and would probably want to register it as a trademark or service mark as well.  An agent could probably advise you better on that.</p>

<p>Disclaimer: I am neither a lawyer nor a writer nor an agent.  I'm a software developer and sometime entrepreneur who reads a lot.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  5, 2009  3:14 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Robert M. Fletcher, Part V: The Hammer Comes Down -- comment #23 from Shiva the Destroying Angel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely follow Fletch's activities as of late, but it certainly makes me smile that I, humble Shiva, have had a hand in bringing him down. Bobby only took me for three bills, and that was due to my own stupidity.</p>

<p>I'm sure you recall who I am from the Water Cooler, Mr. Macdonald. </p>]]>
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