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      <description>Hello, I'm back. With bad luck and worse timing, I became unmanageably ill this past Sunday morning, just as Patrick...</description>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #1 from Erik V. Olson</title>
         <description>comment from Erik V. Olson on  4.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye Ghods! Thankfully, you're home now, and okay.</p>

<p>(My first thought is that the syncronized onset means that it's something you ate. Is there something you and Nancy noshed on that PNH and Elric didn't?)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  4, 2002 11:59 PM by Erik V. Olson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #2 from Robert L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling you had just whatt i had--the thing that fits the descripion of what's goinng on on the cruise ships? A major hurlathon was only part of it...hope you're feeling better...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  2:58 AM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #3 from janeyolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Norwalk virus? That's what is on the cruise ship.</p>

<p>Arrrgh--hope you get well soon. If you are worried about weight loss, put honey in and on everything. That's what we are doing with David. </p>

<p>Or if you are thankful for it, capitalize AFTER you get well. My friend Leslea makes great chicken soup. I send it virtually down there to you.</p>

<p>xxxJane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  6:31 AM by janeyolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #4 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on  5.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, Patrick had a milder version of it a few days before Nancy and I did, we all had muscle aches and fevers, and Elric came back from a grocery run to say that the cashier at the store had thought she was coming down with the same thing. I've had a lot of time to contemplate this question over the last several days, and I think it's a person-to-person bug.</p>

<p>Robert, I'm sorry to hear that you were sick too. Are your eyes okay? I'm vaguely under the impression that hurlathons (as you so delicately put it) are hard on intraocular pressure.</p>

<p>Jane, it's been years since I've had to worry about my weight being too low. Back then, I kept a stash of Dove Bars in the freezer, ready to hand for those moments when food seemed like a non-alien idea.</p>

<p>David losing weight, <i>oy</i>. It's not like he had any to spare. Give him my love.</p>

<p>That John Varley future with the really great medicine is definitely overdue.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  7:14 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #5 from Kip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your illness, though at least I now know what was with the lack of activity. Take care.</p>

<p>Somehow, that phrase, <b>stunning bursts of bloggy energy,</b> sounds almost like a relapse of what you just had.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 10:05 AM by Kip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #6 from Mary</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sympathies: hurling sucks. And that virus sounds nasty, too. </p>

<p>Here in Toronto, we had one ER closed down for all but the direst of emergencies because of the bug. For some reasons, all the first radio reports kept calling the affliction Winter Vomiting Disease, although after a day they went for the more sedate "Norwalk-like virus". After a quick look at Google, it seems that WVD is used most often in Britain and the Commonwealth, although a few American sites used it, too. More of that famed Brit bluntness about the body and its dysfunctions, I guess.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 10:23 AM by Mary&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #7 from janeyolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no--David is GAINING because of all the honey and sweetened condensed milk we are putting on things. Don't worry your fluzy head about this.</p>

<p>There are ways to lose weight, and WAYS to lose weight, and radiation or WVD are not on the Good List.</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 12:17 PM by janeyolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #8 from Bob Webber</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add another reporting point to the group who ate in Manchester on Saturday: I had lower G.I. instead of upper, but started feeling ill on Monday and continued "bloggy" through Wednesday.  Sorry that all y'all had such a bad round of it.</p>

<p>I had what I believe was the original Norwalk Virus a long time ago; I think it was during the outbreak that earned it its name.  Perhaps it was that, maybe it was getting my flu shot nice and early that helped stave off the worst of the symptoms -- I am optimistically assuming that I've already done my course of WVD.</p>

<p>If you are ever in similar circumstances and need help, please feel free to call on me.  I learned to puke with efficiency, if not decorum, a few years ago, and would happily risk it for close friends or in response to strong need.</p>

<p>I hope that your and Nancy's recoveries are swift and complete.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  1:42 PM by Bob Webber&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #9 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That explains why it's snowing today.  People are vomiting winter.  </p>

<p>Teresa, if you're up to reading comics, I handed Patrick a copy of a <cite>Castle Waiting</cite> TPB yesterday.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  2:14 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #10 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on  5.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, "Winter Vomiting Disease" sounds just about right.</p>

<p>Jane, I don't suppose you could use some jars of marmalade...?</p>

<p>Bob, food contamination usually makes itself felt sooner than that. Also -- and there's no adequately discreet way to say this -- while I met Saturday night's seafood once, in the restaurant, which was its proper place, I did not meet it twice. Nancy did, but her digestion is chronically slow.</p>

<p>I had far too much time to think about this question.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  2:35 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #11 from Andrew Brown</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pedant in me points out that "hurling sucks" is quite the most confusing and unpleasant image in these comments.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  3:27 PM by Andrew Brown&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #12 from Derryl Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Derryl Murphy on  5.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Norwalk. It hit all of us up here, two little boys vomiting in bed and on the basement rug (thankfully, the rug we intend to jettison soon), and then Jo and me taking our turns, me between midnight and 6am. Yuck. And it has run the gamut in the local hospital.</p>

<p>Just over a week later I had to deal with the first of two cases of chicken pox. Not a month to fondly remember.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  3:56 PM by Derryl Murphy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #13 from skippy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup, sounds like the cruise ship disease has landed.  luckily i am in los angeles, so it should take all winter to get over here, unless one of you guys flies in tonight (and united is going bankrupt, so the odds of that are low).</p>

<p>hope you get to feel better.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002  9:42 PM by skippy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #14 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin J. Maroney on  5.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: ObSimpsons: "I didn't think it was physically possible, but this sucks and blows at the same time."<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 10:17 PM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #15 from Nancy C. Hanger</title>
         <description>comment from Nancy C. Hanger on  5.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out today, T., that not only is my usually-screwed-up immune system acting up as usual (acting down?), but one of my doctors had put me on an immunosupressant and I hadn't even realized I've been taking it, among all the meds I have to swallow every day. Explains why I keep getting this bug over and over. Yes, I have it =still=.</p>

<p>I'm glad you're doing better. Really I am. Being Barf Buddies was not my idea of a Way To Bond. Oh, and -- we hope the mouse didn't ride home in your luggage. Did it?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 11:54 PM by Nancy C. Hanger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #16 from Robert L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a "Norwalk-type virus" (since of course every virus is just a little bit different) would seem to be it. It affected "the whole system, right on down the line" as the Firesign Theater would put it. The worse part was the severe stomach cramps, which made me wonder if I'd inadvertently swallowed a chicken bone which I of course hadn't because i hadn't eaten any chicken. My eye is its usual iritated self, but seems OK. I'm OK now; hope you are feeling better. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2002 11:57 PM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #17 from Jordin Kare</title>
         <description>comment from Jordin Kare on  6.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh!  I had a cold over Thanksgiving (as I often do) but nothing to compare with the vicious virii you've apparently been dealing with.  Glad you're feeling better.</p>

<p>I am somehow reminded by this discussion of the nonlethal gas weapon that James Blish invented for a scene in one of the Cities in Flight novels.  IIRC, it induced vomiting, diarrhoea, mucosal discharge, and one or two other unpleasant effects.  He called it "Polybathroomfloorite"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2002 12:43 AM by Jordin Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #18 from Anne KG Murphy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear you guys were so sick- Glad you're getting better (keep fighting it Nancy!).</p>

<p>I find I'm similarly rather glad that so far as I know, none of you with the virus are particularly close to me, but I'll keep an eye out for people who have been traveling.</p>

<p>Was anybody hit by the winter storm I heard about this week?<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2002  9:26 AM by Anne KG Murphy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #19 from Christopher Hatton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trudged to and from work in the snow.  Uphill, both ways.  :-)  No, not too bad.  It was worst at lunchtime, when going out meant getting lashed in the face with driving microhail.</p>

<p>A Canadian coworker and I traded off telling "this is nothing" stories, croggling the New Yorkers...one of my cos is from Trinidad, and her eyes got very, very big.  "Bye," she commented.  "I'm going home now!" and she did NOT mean her apartment in Brooklyn...</p>

<p>Another co spent his first five years in Leningrad, and he looked out at the snow not so much falling as flying down in billions of little kamikaze powerdives, and said "it was pretty much like this from October to March."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2002 12:29 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #20 from Jane Yolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the major Northeast snowstorm two years ago, I was stuck in NYC and had to get back to Hartford to take a plane out the next morning early. The driver the publisher had put on for me refused to go. "It's a parking lot out there," he said. But my editor's driver agreed to take me. He was a Muscovite and he laughed, a bit of gold showing in his teeth. "Dis--dis is NO snow," he announced. "Like spring in Moscow. You Americans are so silly. Here, I spit on your snow!" And he proceeded to spit through his fingers, "Pah, pah!" and drove me easily back to Hartford without a single problem.</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2002  1:01 PM by Jane Yolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #21 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher: I've mentioned this online before, but it's one of my favorite examples of Russian winters. </p>

<p>Volgograd (originally Tsaritsin) is a Russian city located on the Volga River about 500 miles south of Moscow, and thus about 750 miles south of Lenin. This far south, the Volga is a big and lazy river, more than a mile wide. Volgograd is at 48' N Latitude, about as far north as Winipeg or Paris. </p>

<p>From the 1920s to the 1950s, Volgograd was better known as Stalingrad. In September 1942, the German army attacked Stalingrad. The Soviets fought back tenaciously (eventually winning the war in the process, but that's not the point of this story though it's worth remembering). The battle dragged on for a month, then another month. The Soviets mostly threw infantry against a combined force of infantry and tanks, because the Soviets were backed up against the Volga with no way to get tanks across except for the ones they were making in the tractor factory in the city. (Another wonderful image: Later in the battle, tanks would roll off the assembly line at the STZ [Stalingrad Tractor Factory] fully manned and firing at the Germans on the factory floor.) </p>

<p>Towards the end of October, both the Germans and the Soviets had to start taking into consideration the fact that the Soviets would be able to get tanks more easily, because sometime in late October or early November, the Volga, which was already riddled with ice floes by early October, would freeze solid enough for tanks to drive across it. </p>

<p>Not "if". "When".</p>

<p>That's what Russian winters are like. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  6, 2002 11:27 PM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #22 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  8.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that's what Russian winters are like, but when you're driving -- it doesn't matter what kind of winter you're used to.  What matters is what kind of winter the guy coming in the opposing lane is used to.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  8, 2002 10:04 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #23 from Sherwood</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugs, Teresa.</p>

<p>The Volcanic Two-Step has hit like a tidal wave out here, too.  Definitely viral. And virulent.  Third grade had, I'm reliably told, an Olympic champion six-desk hurler a week ago Friday.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  8, 2002  4:28 PM by Sherwood&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #24 from Christopher Hatton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've got it.  Muscle aches, slight fever, barfing.</p>

<p>Any suggestions for hastening its departure?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  8, 2002  6:14 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #25 from Chip Hitchcock</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Macdonald) "what kind of winter the guy coming in the opposing lane is used to" cuts especially deep just now in the mid-Atlantic, with the number of deaths in the latest storm -- including a jazz saxophonist notable enough to get several inches in the <i>Boston Globe</i> (IIRC, his small car was smeared by an SUV).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  8, 2002  7:41 PM by Chip Hitchcock&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #26 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  9.Dec.02</description>
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So anyway, there's this guy, sitting there watching TV one night, <br />
when there's a knock on the door.  He opens the door, and there's <br />
a six-foot-tall cockroach standing there.  The cockroach slaps him <br />
twice across the face, slams the door, and leaves.</p>

<p>The next night, the guy's watching TV again, when there's a knock <br />
at the door.  He opens it, and it's the cockroach.  This time the <br />
cockroach gives him a couple of karate chops, kicks him in the <br />
knee, then slams the door and leaves.</p>

<p>The next night, the guy's sitting watching TV when there's a knock <br />
at the door.  He opens it, and there's the cockroach.  The roach <br />
has a dagger, a pistol, a blackjack, and a set of brass knuckles, <br />
and it starts beating the snot out of the guy.  The guy's a bleeding mass<br />
on the floor.  When the roach leaves, the guy crawls to the phone, dials<br />
911, and calls for an ambulance.  He's taken to the emergency room, where<br />
the doctor says, "What happened?"  The guy says, "You'll never believe<br />
this," and tells the story.  The doc says, "Hmmm.... actually, we've been<br />
seeing a lot of that lately.  There's a nasty bug going around."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  9, 2002  9:06 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:06:49 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Back again -- comment #27 from Kate Salter</title>
         <description>comment from Kate Salter on 10.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you guys are feeling lots better.  I'm home. They still don't know what the heck is wrong, but you know if I still have this problem at VP, It could become part of the fun, dropping Teresa and making Kate twitch.</p>

<p>I like the bug joke Jim.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 10, 2002  4:49 PM by Kate Salter&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:49:25 -0500</pubDate>
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