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September 7, 2003

The fabric of the city
Posted by Teresa at 10:15 PM *

The city is fascinating—perverse, complex, sometimes maddening, sometimes startlingly beautiful, full of the middles of stories whose beginnings and ends you never see. It accommodates the press of its population by doing what it does quickly. This is a big source of visitor interaction problems. They expect that slow newbie-friendly graphical user interface they’re used to from suburban malls, fast-food chain outlets, and the interstate highway system. What they get is a Greek immigrant who expects them to rattle off “butteredpoppyseedbagel coffeelightnosugar” and not need to be told that now is when you pay for it. We’re not unfriendly. We just know there are people in line behind us.

(The other big tourist problem is failing to grasp that most shouts, honks, and comments from strangers are meant to be informative: Pray notice that you’re doing the wrong thing in an expert system.)

The city’s all about maintaining flow at maximum capacity. The ceaseless passage of people and money and traffic wears away at its fabric. New structures are built on top of the not-entirely-obliterated ruins. I think that’s a lot of the fascination: the expertise, the complexity, the constantly renegotiatiated balance of infrastructure and capacity, and the visible history of how that process has worked out in the past.

It breeds passionate fannish interests. Consider the Metropolitan Transit Authority’s MTA Transit Page: fine in its way, but hampered by merely being official. What you want to dive into is the one done for love: It starts with the Subway Technical FAQ, a modest little display of transit-nerd street cred:
63rd Street Tunnel A Day in the Life…
Abandoned or Unused Subway Tunnels or Connections
Completed Portions of the 2nd Ave. Subway
Disused and Abandoned Stations
Early Elevated Lines
Early New York City Transit Tunnels
Beach Pneumatic - New York Times 2/4/1912
Beach Pneumatic - Scientific American 3/5/1870
Elevated Portions of the Subway
Evidence of Demolished and Abandoned Lines
Ex-BMT/IND/IRT Line Designations
Facts & Figures
How Subway Cars Are Delivered
How To Identify Car Types
IRT - BMT - IND: A Brief History of the Subway
Index of NYC Subway Map Versions
Interconnections Between IRT and IND/BMT Divisions
Line Assignments - Number of Trains for Rush Hour Service
NYC Subway Accidents
Number, Letter, Color Code Systems
Photography in the Subway
Photography on Transit Systems
Radio Codes
Subway Terminology Glossary
Three-Track portions of the subway
Touring the Subway
Train Marker Lights, 1976
Unused Express Tracks
Well Known Non-Connections
What is OPTO/ATO (One Person/Automatic Train Operation)
It follows this with links to its separate pages about every station on the IRT. And every station on the BMT. And the IRT/BMT Dual Contract portions of the system. And every station on the IND. And every kind of subway car. And subway maps, including fantasy maps which to my eye are indistinguishable from the real ones. Then it gets into the really technical stuff…

It’s obsessive. I have to respect that.

You might also check out The Other Side of the Rails, or the New York Subway Resources site, on the grounds that they might conceivably have some bits of information not available on Subway Web News is more a consumer resource than a history-and-tech site, but they do keep a great logfile of news stories involving the transit system. For the real newbie, there’s the New York Subway Finder. If you feed it a street address, it’ll identify the subway station closest to it. is about the old, sometimes vanished, sometimes persisting transportation infrastructure, organized as photographic virtual tours. It’s a good way to see the underlying logic of things. For example, you can follow tour #5, which maps the route of Robert Moses’ proposed Lower Manhattan Expressway. The LOMEX project would have gouged a multi-lane elevated freeway across lower Manhattan, taking out chunks of Chinatown, Little Italy, the Lower East Side, Soho, and Tribeca. Pay particular attention to the “urban blight” Moses wanted to replace with a nice new freeway. Then follow tour #6, Gowanus Expressway Viaduct, and see what happened when Moses pushed a similar freeway through a series of formerly thriving Brooklyn neighborhoods.

The great and mighty site for lost and vanished pieces of the city is Forgotten NY. Nothing that I can say about it is as good as just going there and exploring the site. It’s one of the jewels of the web.

Joseph Brennan, now, is a specialist. His thing is abandoned subway stations—and station levels, and platforms, and uncompleted works. I’ve caught glimpses of those myself, and I see the attraction. They look exactly like the other parts of the NYC subway system, only with no people in them and no trains coming and going. It’s unnerving. It makes you imagine that the known spaces of the subway system might be contiguous with another universe of empty, unused, alternate stations and tracks; and to wonder where they might be, and who uses them. It’s no accident that so many fantasies have been written about underground New York.

Brennan has a page about the unused Myrtle and De Kalb Avenue platforms, home of a wonderfully strange work of art called the Masstransiscope, by an artist named Bill Brand. My memories have been shifting and resettling in recent years, so I’m not perfectly sure that what I’m remembering about the Masstransiscope isn’t Moshe Feder telling me about it, but it seems to me that on some long-ago subway ride, when I was visiting New York but hadn’t yet moved here, I had the Masstransiscope pointed out to me as we rode past it.

It’s a clever thing—a sort of giant linear zoetrope that plays an animated cartoon made up of 228 hand-painted images. As the train goes past the Masstransiscope, you see the successive images through a series of slits, which turns them into an animated cartoon. Happily, through the magic of the internet you can see the Masstransiscope animation in all its original glory, and read about its construction too.

On the subject of strange forgotten art in the subways, I have to mention the thing I ran across one night in the convoluted depths of Canal Street station. This was back in the bad old days of stalactites and TAKI 183 tags, when untended station areas were often sooty and murky, and had pools of standing water along the track lines on their lower levels.

This was in one of those areas, a long platform you had to traverse to change from the #6 Lexington to the N/R lines. The tracks nearest the platforms were still in use, but not the center section’s old express tracks. It was late. The lighting was dim. And when I glanced toward the unlit center track section at the end of the station, I saw what looked like a half-size Viking ship, lying at anchor in the pool of standing water that covered the tracks.

I stopped. I blinked. I looked harder. The ship didn’t go away. When we’d climbed back up to the higher levels, I asked a station employee whether I had in fact seen a ship down there. “Yeah,” he said; “they’re not using those tracks until they get them fixed up, and they’re not going to start working down there for a while yet, so they let some artist do that.” turns out to know all about it. The ship was supposed to look like a Venetian gondola. It was the last survivor of five gondolas installed there. Probably it looked more like one when the lights were on and it still had its little awning. But it was still carrying out its intended function:
New York, NY—New York City’s Canal Street subway station will be host to an elaborate installation of a Venetian canal created by Russian artist Alexander Brodsky from December 4, through January 31, 1997. … Artist Alexander Brodsky describes the viewer’s surreal experience of the installation as one walks through the subway as “one of the millions of strange things that happen to you in the city. Passing through the long space, you suddenly see across the tracks a mirage—lights, water, boats—you see a canal. It’s both real and unreal at the same time. You stop briefly trying to understand why it’s here and then you go on with your life, keeping the mirage in your memory. You might come back another day to check.—was it a dream or not?”
It worked.

A last bit from Joseph Brennan’s Abandoned Stations site is his page about everyone’s favorite ghost stop: fabulous City Hall Station. It was beautiful, but it never worked all that well as a station, and eventually the MTA closed it. You can read more about it here, here, and here.

Thus the subways. You can’t go any deeper than that without hitting bedrock, at which point you’ll want an overview of New York geology, with its many cool maps and diagrams. If you need a shorter, snappier explanation, try The Birth of Long Island, a.k.a. “How all your topsoil wound up in my neighborhood.” You can also contemplate the odds of NYC having an earthquake.

Back up to the surface, and another couple of devoted specialists. One is Frank Jump of Fading Ad Campaign, who collects old fading signs painted on the sides of buildings. The other is Jeff of Jeff’s Streetlights Site. There are many fine strange things on his site, but to my mind the best part is where he explains the personalities of different streetlight models. Also, Jeff thinks everyone should read Charles De Lint.

Fiborough Bridges is Transportation Alternatives’ guide to NYC bridges you can cross on foot, bicycle, or rollerblade. Their latest cheery announcement: As of Spring 2001, all of the Manhattan East River Bridges provide 24-hour bike and pedestrian access for the first time in at least 50 years. It’s like baseball stats.

Transportation Alternatives is very big on the rights of bicyclists, and has nothing, absolutely nothing, repeat nothing, to do with the purely spontaneous (yet recurrent) Critical Mass bicycle events. (Slogan: “We aren’t blocking traffic; we are traffic.”)


You should see the nighttime mass inline skating events. One skater is vulnerable. Twenty or thirty skaters own the road.

Another good site for river crossings is Justin JIH’s United States: New York, New Jersey: New York City Bridges and Tunnels. It’s a terse, functional site, much of it in four languages, and it’s so logical that a Martian could use it. It begins:
This web page uses UTF-8 encoding.

The United States uses right-hand traffic and the United States dollar (USD).
New York and New Jersey are UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) -04:00 from 02:00 on the 1st Sunday in April to 02:00 on the last Sunday in October but UTC-05:00 at other times.

ISO 6709 locates bridges and tunnels in the format of +DD.DDDD-DDD.DDDD/
(northern (+) latitude and western (-) longitude in decimal degrees). New York City is at +40.75-074.00/.

Postcodes are called ZIP (zoning improvement plan) codes in the United States.
Examples: New York NY 10002 and Jersey City NJ 07310 (NY = New York, NJ = New Jersey).
That guy doesn’t take anything for granted. is just what it sounds like it is. It’s great when you need to know stuff like:
No single-occupant cars are permitted on crossings entering Manhattan south of 14th Street during weekdays from 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM. Bridges and tunnels entering Manhattan south of 63rd Street are OPEN only to passenger cars with two or more occupants (HOV use), buses and trucks. Vehicles with official, medical (including EMT), press, disabled, medallion taxi (including TLC and livery) and commercial plates are exempt from the HOV restrictions. Motorcycles are also exempt from the restrictions. Manhattan-bound HOV restrictions apply 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM Monday-Friday (except holidays) on the following crossings: Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel (I-478), Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Bridge, Williamsburg Bridge, Holland Tunnel (I-78).
And that’s not even getting into alternate side of the street parking regs. See what I mean about expert systems?

If you’re driving, there are two great sources of pertinent information. One is station 1010 WINS, purveyors of broadcast and online traffic alerts. You know these guys—“You give us twenty-two minutes, we’ll give you the world.” What they actually give you is just the top few AP stories du jour, repeated over and over, because they’ve only spent forty-five cents of their programming budget on news reporting and thrown the rest at Jam Cams and traffic-watch helicopters. They understand a great truth: nobody listens to them for pleasure. They’re the station you switch to right after saying “Oh, shit. Let’s see if we can find out what’s happening.”

The other source of immediately pertinent information is Gridlock Sam, the really great traffic expert with the really wonky website. Skip that. Go instead to the New York Daily News site and track down Gridlock Sam’s column. It’s easy. Just look in the left sidebar for the link to “Traffic and Parking.” Here are some excerpts from this weekend’s traffic forecast:
Today and tomorrow, all city parking rules are in effect. On Sunday, no parking and no standing anytime rules remain in effect. On Monday, all city parking rules are in effect.

Football season is upon us, and the Giants will open Sunday at 1 p.m. at Giants Stadium against the St. Louis Rams. Expect the usual game-related delays on Route 3, Route 17 and the western spur of the New Jersey Turnpike.

The Latinos Unidos Parade takes place in Brooklyn on Sunday from 1:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. along Graham Ave. from Broadway to Grand St., then Grand St. to Lorimer St.

Saturday and Sunday from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., the Hoop It Up Basketball Tournament will close Water St. between Broad and Fulton Sts.; Front St. between Old Slip and Fulton St.; Fletcher St. between Water and Pearl Sts., and Gouverneur Lane between South and Water Sts.

Ninth Ave. between 23rd and 31st Sts. will be a no-go for drivers Sunday from 11a.m. to 6 p.m. so the Penn South Independence Inc. Street Fair can be held.

The Tomchei Torah Chaim Birnbaum Church Ave. Spectacular takes place Sunday from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Church Ave. between McDonald Ave. and Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn.

E. Fordham Road between Morris Ave. and E. Kingsbridge Road and Valentine Ave. between 188th and 192nd Sts. is the location of the Bronx Council for Economic Development Festival, scheduled for Sunday from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.

The northbound Harlem River Drive at E. 155th St. (including the entrance ramp) will have one lane closed Friday from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.
That doesn’t give you the full Gridlock Sam experience. For that, you need his annual Thanksgiving column on how to get out of the city with the least amount of aggravation. Failing that, try Gridlock Sam Urges Fresh Start For NYC Tolls. It’s an article from Mobilizing the Region, the weekly bulletin of the Tri-State Transportation Campaign.

The TSTC is “an alliance of regional transportation experts, planning organizations and environmental groups working to improve transportation throughout the metropolitan region.” That doesn’t sound terribly exciting, but if you want to see how one policy tradeoff interacts with others in a complex system, this is the place to read about it. The site’s full of databits like “motorists [in NJ’s cities and towns] suffer a total of 1.6 million person-hours of delay in traffic jams every day.”

It also has a fairly honest reek to it. I theorize that this is because its members all hail from areas where issues like “excessive automobile dependence” aren’t theoretical, and because they’re all specialists in figuring out when some piece of sleek-sounding language actually translates as “Your neighborhood is going to get dumped on.” Here they are on a recent round of fights over the development of the old West Side rail yards—in this case, rezoning proposals (including that perfectly insane proposal to build a giant sports arena in Manhattan) that are being snuck in under cover of plans to extend the #7 subway line:
We agree with many others testifying here that the uncertainty of funding for the Number 7 extension project raises a strong likelihood that the project will end up competing with other major NYC projects for MTA capital funds and for federal mass transit aid. We believe the Number 7 project, which will underwrite new real estate development and possibly major sports facility construction rather than solve existing transportation problems, is a lower priority than projects such as the Second Avenue Subway, LIRR access to Grand Central Terminal, a Cross-Harbor rail freight tunnel, and a second commuter rail tunnel connecting New Jersey and Manhattan.

We ask that the DEIS contain a section on funding feasibility that takes these issues—the No. 7’s place within the MTA and NYC capital programs—into account.

We also especially urge members of the city Congressional delegation and state legislators to be on guard against the No. 7 project depleting funding and slowing this other essential work to expand our transit system and better balance our means of moving freight in and out of the city.

Traffic and parking: We appreciate that the scoping document for the subway extension and far west side development proposal emphasizes “transit oriented redevelopment” and sets one of the plan’s goals as “[minimizing] energy consumption, non-transit vehicle miles of travel and congestion on City streets…”

However, the parking and traffic sections of the scoping document do not give us confidence that this goal will be met, or will even be seriously considered beyond the extension of the subway line. Instead, the proposal seems to anticipate major increases in parking capacity and car trips within the study area.

The traffic and parking discussions in the scoping document heavily reflect the standard “predict and provide” school of traffic engineering that has done so much to foster and extend automobile dependence in our society. This is essentially a passive stance toward vehicle trip generation and parking requirements. Transit-oriented planning would accept that supplies of road capacity and parking will be major determinants of auto use in the development area, and plan accordingly to promote maximum use of transit and other alternatives. Instead, the scoping document appears to emphasize the anticipation of the likely maximum number of car trips and providing sufficient parking and road capacity for them.

For instance:
—The scoping document says the DEIS will “determine the general area’s capacity to accommodate additional parking.”

—It notes that street widening is a likely “mitigation” measure for traffic congestion.

—Zoning amendments described in the scoping document appendices state that developments in the area will be required to create a minimum number of parking spaces. For commercial development, “Accessory parking would be required for all commercial development based on a square footage rate. For residential, “Accessory parking would be required in high-density areas.”
Development of the study area will not be “transit-oriented” if parking supply sees a marked increase. Every study done on this issue has shown that parking supply is a key determinant of urban auto use. Major additions of parking to the area will inevitably foster a higher level of car use there and on connecting highways, avenues and streets.
—The current parking inventory should be compared and contrasted in detail to the forecasted amount of parking for the study area based on the recommended zoning changes and anticipated facility construction in the DEIS. —Capacity, congestion and pollution analyses for Route 9a and other streets in and connecting to the study area should emphasize the demand that development will induce based on the growth of parking within the study area, not base its estimates on generic “background” traffic growth factors.
Stadium construction: A west side football/Olympic stadium will likely require huge additions of parking in the study area and be a huge traffic generator. An 80,000-100,000 seat venue, even if it achieves an impressive 90% transit access rate, will require 8,000 to 10,000 parking spaces. Obviously, the DEIS road capacity, congestion and pollution analyses will have to account for this parking construction and traffic generation by sporting and convention center events. Traffic generation estimates for times when there are not sporting events or convention center events should also anticipate that travelers to the study area will base transport mode decisions in part on the availability of all of this parking. The DEIS should develop its traffic generation analyses accordingly.
If you can’t see why any of that is interesting, I can’t see why you’re trying to write science fiction.

There’s much, much more out there, but I have to stop now. That’s normal. I always run short of me before I run short of New York.

Comments on The fabric of the city:
#1 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2003, 11:31 PM:

Is the Joseph Brennan you mention here the Joseph Payne Brennan who had a book of macabre poetry published by Arkham House? Or a relative, or a coincidence?

Too much else that I might speak to for tonight....


#2 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2003, 11:41 PM:

Is the Masstransiscope still there? I have vague memories of having seen it a few times taking the D train into Brooklyn, but then not seeing it after a while. Maybe it was the B train, and maybe the Q and W that I wound up taking after I moved to Brooklyn were following a different track.

The PATH has advertising on the same principle in the tunnel between 14th and 23rd, going north. Currently running a dull Snapple ad, but the ad for the Discovery Channel's cavemen special was pretty cool -- you got to see an enormous caveman gazing into your train.

#3 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2003, 11:43 PM:

Oh, the PATH ads are out the port-side windows. (Left when facing front.)

#4 ::: Derryl Murphy ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2003, 11:49 PM:

I gotta get me to NYC some day. Everything you listed is just so damned interesting.


#5 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 12:03 AM:

A real NYC transit maven like Moshe Feder may well correct me, but I seem to recall that you and I saw the Masstransiscope from the now-defunct JFK shuttle, the "Train to the Plane," back in the 1980s.

#6 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 12:14 AM:

That's only scratching the surface. It's full of great weird stuff. For instance, the landfill under the FDR -- that's the highway that runs up the east side of Manhattan -- is the rubble of the city of Bristol. Bristol was (and I suppose still is) a major port. It got blitzed. Ships taking supplies to Britain during WWII needed ballast for the return trip.

The Forgotten New York site doesn't do full justice to the Ballardian weirdness of Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn. It was NYC's first municipal airport. Now it's nearly deserted. I've ridden my bicycle through its hangars, in one end and out the other, in one of them pausing to loop around the huge disassembled airplane engine lying on the ground. Even stranger are the runways themselves, which are now pathways through stands of sumac and other beachfront vegetation. There are dunes on some of them. It's a very odd place.

Just to top off the weirdness, for some years now it's been the site of the Kings County Fair. I don't know whose idea it was to teach Brooklynites about holding county fairs, but last time I went to one, the Intro to Line Dancing seemed to be going over pretty well. I thought it was a shame that the organizers hadn't gone for genuinely regional events -- awards for raising the biggest cockroach, say, or for the best tomatoes grown in a window box.

#7 ::: Chris Quinones ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 12:16 AM:

Glad to see someone is still dwelling on the cross-harbor freight railway tunnel, which is only the reason the frigging Port of New York Authority (as then called) was created in the 30s or whenever.

I'll calm down now.

#8 ::: Jazz ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 12:39 AM:

The tracks nearest the platforms were still in use, but not the center section92s old express tracks. It was late. The lighting was dim. And when I glanced toward the unlit center track section at the end of the station, I saw what looked like a half-size Viking ship, lying at anchor in the pool of standing water that covered the tracks.

I'm not crazy! I'm not crazy! It was there! Yay!

I have doubted my sanity for years after glimpsing that on a pass through that station... and was too afraid that I really was nuts to go back until just recently, and of course that whole area is refurbished.

Bless you! You have restored my faith in my poor little overtaxed brain.

#9 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 01:24 AM:

What do you call a ghost station that, um, hasn't been born yet?

The light rail line that links Portland with the airport has a station, Mt. Hood Avenue, that's been complete (drop-off area, landscaping, neat-clean platform and shelters) for at least the year I've lived in the area. The trains STOP there, but the doors don't open. There are no businesses or residences nearby, and no obvious roads to the site.

Rumor has it that the contractor that built the line -- some outfit named, awww what was it, Halliburton -- owns the land in the area around the stop. Someday Portland's sprawl will reach it.

In the mean-time . . . wouldn't it give Halloween-night Red Line riders a thrill to look out the windows on at lonely, desolate Mt. Hood Avenue station and see a lone commuter -- dressed in a business suit, carrying a brief case -- standing at the platform? One with no face?

#10 ::: Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 02:45 AM:

The Masstransiscope (never knew its name but have seen it many times) was on trains that crossed the Manhattan Bridge (B, D, Q?). The old Train to the Plane follwed the A line, so I don't think you would have seen the M-scope on it.
The stadium is a massive disaster-in-the-making promoted by Giuliani. I don't know who's pushing it now, but you can bet they have lots of money are are very sneaky. Another thing about living in this city is that you can watch massive corruption not only on the national scale, but on a local level right in your face.
I assume you've at least looked through the Robert Caro bio of Robert Moses and read how he operated. Locals managed to stop some of his megalomania, such as the downtown expressway, but we lost so much because of his obsession with passenger cars as the only thing that mattered. One of those things is subway service to JFK Airport.
I'm always interested in this city's history, especially of the Lower East Side.
I assume you've also checked out Jane Jacobs's the Death and Life of Grat American Cities? One of her big things is how adequate sidewalks make for a good neighborhood. One of the more-cars advocates' key things is to widen streets, at the expense of sidewalks--almost always a bad thing for whateve block it happens to occur on. Here on the Lower East Side we see one of the great examples of this on Allen St., where Robert Moses got rid of the wide sidewalks and instead built this stretch of concrete slab down the middle of the street, which he said prior to its construction would be like the Ramblas in Barcelona. This might have happened if it were like the Ramblas--a pedestrian mall down the center of a (slightly winding) street, with pedestrians able to cross the cross-streets easily, and witha variety of small vendors (newsstands, pet shops...) so they'll have something of interest. Instead, the center of Allen St. is a gray wasteland...

#11 ::: Kip W ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 06:45 AM:

Avram, according to the site, the 'scope is still there, but the trains that went by it have changed routes. It has been graffiti'd over, though that may have been cleaned off. The lights aren't on for it, either. That's if I read it correctly.

#12 ::: Steve ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 09:09 AM:

Holy cow, Teresa. What a post. I've just added a number of things to my list of abandoned structures to try to visit sometime (previously it contained the abandoned Roosevelt Island hospital and the High Line).

#13 ::: Beth ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 11:15 AM:

Now you've made me miss New York. Fi! One of the things I really, really love about that city is the astounding Underground component. It just goes down and down and down, and there are wonders there. Also disgusting things, of course, but mostly wonders.

The sub-sub-basement of the NY Public Library is the bottom of the old Reservoir. For instance.

Tappan's novel Downtown has more true things in it than many people know.

#14 ::: Keith ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 11:22 AM:

You're gonna talk subway websites and NOT mention the Straphangers?

For shame.

Home to the worlds largest mass transit advocacy campaign, up to date information, and continually updating evaluations of everything mass transit in NYC.

And besides - we sued the MTA over that bullshit fare hike.

Thats gotta count for something, right?

#15 ::: Elayne Riggs ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 11:40 AM:

Well done, Teresa! (I've linked to this post in my blog entry today.) My favorite recent subway find was also in a Canal Street station, the uptown "A", which has a flock of fake ravens in the rafters above the platform. Nifty stuff!

#16 ::: David Sucher ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 01:36 PM:

Terrific! Well done! As a boy I remember riding through some "ghost stations" --- what a thrill!

I am peased to be able to link to you at City Comforts Blog.

#17 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 02:15 PM:

Thank you all.

Beth, I've always assumed there was a lot of true stuff in Tappan's book. I think you told me as much not long after I started working at Tor.

Robert, I think the man just plain didn't like people and cities and street life; thus the elevated freeways. My favorite weird fact about him is that he never learned to drive.

Keith, Straphangers was one of the links I was staring at blearily when I said I had to stop. Like the city itself, websites about NYC don't quite go on forever, they just feel like they do; and if you have the stamina to hack your way through to the end, you'll find that all sorts of new stuff has sprung up behind you.

#18 ::: Janine ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 02:23 PM:

I was just talking this morning about the effect that Robert Moses had on West Brooklyn and then my boyfriend sent me this URL. I love it. I was bicycling through Red Hook yesterday to the Columbia st. terminal - where you can see great views, wide open sky and water. I wonder if that trolley will ever finish being built...

#19 ::: BSD ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 02:52 PM:

Good god.

I have to show this to my father...

#20 ::: Eloise Mason ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 03:22 PM:

The equivalent Chicago site is Highly obsessive, and interesting, with historical maps.

The PATH has advertising on the same principle in the tunnel between 14th and 23rd, going north. Currently running a dull Snapple ad

Hey, *I* thought it was cool. Of course, I was sleep-deprived. :->

#21 ::: Keith ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 03:32 PM:

Aah, okay. Ommitted, not forgotten.

Thats better I guess.

Straphangers may be non partisan, but I'm partisan about the Straphangers.

#22 ::: language hat ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 03:33 PM:

Great post, which I intend to excavate at length. But since when is 1997 "the bad old days of stalactites and TAKI 183 tags"? Taki goes back to the early '70s, fer Pete's sake!

#23 ::: Watty ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 04:22 PM:

"What do you call a ghost station that, um, hasn't been born yet?"

Why, as any player of Mornington Crescent can tell you, it's a Foetal Ghost.

What's that? Mornington Crescent? Oh, you don't want to know...

#24 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 04:44 PM:

Allow me to assure correspondent Watty that we are indeed familiar with the deep game that is Mornington Crescent.

In our quaint subculture, of course, we play a variant known as The Number of the Beast.

(A particularly masterful round of Mornington Crescent may be found in a certain chapter of China Mieville's King Rat. Speaking of the undersides of great cities.)

#25 ::: David Elworthy ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 06:51 PM:

This is more related in spirit than in detail, but if you ever go to Seattle, pay a visit to the underground streets. There is a part of the city where they decided to even out the street levels, which (as a result of fire, prostitution and bubonic plague) had become somewhat disordered; for example, crossing from the sidewalk on one side of some streets to the other required climbing up a ladder to reach the level of the intervening. In fixing this, the cavities below the raised street levels were not filled in, and the old streets still exist, complete with some of the storefronts. You can tour them (with rather dire "comic" guides); see for example

#26 ::: Mitch Wagner ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 07:11 PM:

Oh, great. Now I'm going to be singing, "Take the train to the plane take the train to the plane" for the rest of the day.

At least it makes a change from the "Couplings" theme song.

Mitch "perhaps perhaps perhaps" Wagner

#27 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 07:27 PM:

Language Hat, there were still surviving talismanic TAKI 183s around.

#28 ::: Kris Hasson-Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 10:46 PM:

I was only in New York for about 10 hours, one day this last June. I saw the Flatiron Building and Union Square, and a couple of other things. Can't wait to come back and find some of this. What a great travel book!

#29 ::: nick sweeney ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 11:14 PM:

People have beaten me to the Mornington Crescent mentions, but the many sites devoted to the London Underground, its plans, its evolving maps, its ghost stations, the remnants of stations marked by that unmistakeable brickwork and so on... they're wonderful. I still feel privileged by that glimpse of Holborn's disused platform which used to take the shuttle to Aldwych.

Not to mention all the discussion of London's secret underground tunnels in the case of war.

#30 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: September 08, 2003, 11:24 PM:

And I only ever spent one weekend in NYC, all the way back in 1972. (Met Arnie & Joyce Katz, and rich brown and Steve Stiles, and got solicited by a hooker near Times Square.)

#31 ::: Cassandra ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 12:43 AM:

This was so interesting. I always loved looking at the ceramic signs in the subway stations.


#32 ::: Alan Hamilton ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 05:12 AM:

I love infrastructure neepery. My own site, <plug>Arizona Roads</plug> covers a lot about highways in Arizona. And the photos from my trip to New Zealand include pictures of a non-rotating toilet and a 240v light bulb.

#33 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 08:04 AM:

Oh man, talk about a site that makes you homesick. ... I expect you put it together because in all these years, Arizona Highways has never gotten around to dealing with its supposed subject.

#34 ::: Grant Barrett ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 01:03 PM:

ON line you mean, you New Yorker you, right?

A couple small addendums:

In Paris on Friday evenings at 10, thousands of rollerbladers meet up in Montparnasse and cruise the city. They roll quietly by, with the buzzing and whirring of wheels, the occasional shout from a skater, and traffic at a standstill. Now *that's* owning the city.

Here in New York, note the existence of Critical Ass, the underwear-only bicycle ride based upon the critical mass bicycling movement, in turn based upon natural human self-herding among Chinese pedallers.

If we get a stadium on the West side, we may also get the 7 train extended. If we get the 2012 Olympics, they will both happen, as will a LaGuardia subway link, and the extension which will bring Long Island trains into Grand Central.

#35 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 02:48 PM:

In line sometimes, on line others, which ought to mean I'm Canadian.

Second Avenue Subway, LIRR access to Grand Central Terminal, a Cross-Harbor rail freight tunnel, and a second commuter rail tunnel connecting New Jersey and Manhattan

I have an idea. How about we extend the 7 train, link the subway system to La Guardia and Kennedy, give the LIRR access to Grand Central, build the Second Avenue line and a couple of new harbor tunnels, rebuild the Gowanus as a limited-access underground freeway, and skip hosting the Olympics?

The proposal to have NYC host the games is just demented. I can't believe anyone honestly thinks it's a good idea. The only reason I can see to dishonestly push it is that it would force the city to create a lot more surface-traffic vascular capacity in an area where big-money developers want to do big things.

What the TSTC says is true: adding that many parking spaces to the city would mean more people would drive instead of taking mass transit, increasing the traffic load throughout the city. Freeways and parking spaces are the original "If you build it, they will come."

This is a crowded city. We don't need to spend all that space putting in a huge egotistical sports arena that won't interact with the neighborhoods around it. We need small-scale housing and retail, and schools and parks for the population thereof, and businesses that generate jobs.

Did you ever hear of someone wanting to build a giant sports arena right next door to the place where he lives?

#36 ::: Kevin J. Maroney ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 05:32 PM:

Rebuilding the Gowanus as an underground freeway would cost, I believe, significantly more than $1 billion per mile. But other than that....

#37 ::: Vicki ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 10:21 PM:

as a result of fire, prostitution and bubonic plague: a fascinating juxtaposition. One of these things is not like the others.

#38 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2003, 11:33 PM:

Vicki, we tend to forget that that disease turns up here, too.

Kevin, we're going to have to replace the monstrosity sooner or later, and it's going to be massively expensive no matter what. We might as well get something decent out of it.

#39 ::: Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: September 10, 2003, 10:57 AM:

Why replace the Gowanus? Like parking spaces, freeways often create their own traffic. (And the Gowanus often resembles a parking lot.) Of course, the ways in which the Robert Moses system of highways has screwed up vast areas of the city are many. One key element is the vast number of passenger-car-only highways and even city streets (Park Ave, 5th Ave), forcing all truck traffic onto a few clogged arteries. That's why I think that rail tunnel, which could carry a lot of piggybacked semis, would help clear a lot of traffic.
The lack of subway access to JFK is another product of Moses's car fanaticism. The Van Wyck was intentionally built without the possibility of subway right of way (as, for example, the Orange Line of the DC Metro runs along I-66). There's opposition to it from the taxi industry, so it might be more difficult.
I agree--the Olympics in NYC is madness, as is Giuliani's stadium plan. Sports stadiums in general are boondoggles that benefit mostly the rich. And at the same time they're talking about tearing down Yankee Stadium! Construction of new stadiums also has less to do with the ordinary fan and more to do with the chance to build new, luxurious private boxes for corporate accounts. I'm sure the West Side stadium, if God forbid it's ever built, will be no exception.

#40 ::: Alan Bostick ::: (view all by) ::: September 10, 2003, 03:37 PM:

Vicki: as a result of fire, prostitution and bubonic plague: a fascinating juxtaposition. One of these things is not like the others.

TNH: Vicki, we tend to forget that that disease turns up here, too.

I don't know about you, Teresa, but to my eye and ear, the thing that stands out like a sore thumb as different is "prostitution," not "bubonic plague."

#41 ::: Edd Vick ::: (view all by) ::: September 10, 2003, 04:03 PM:

"From David Elworthy,
posted on September 8, 2003 06:51 PM:
This is more related in spirit than in detail, but if you ever go to Seattle, pay a visit to the underground streets."

The streets were built up first, so pedestrians had to climb ladders - in some places twenty or so feet tall - to cross streets. There's an anecdote about a horse stepping from the street to the sidewalk and breaking its neck.

Teresa, thanks for the fascinating material! I only visited NY once, back in 1976, for a few hours between planes. I spent most of it walking around and marveling at how many ethnicities were packed into so few blocks.

#42 ::: Eloise Mason ::: (view all by) ::: September 12, 2003, 02:15 PM:

Chicago has some interesting underground features, too (and not just those tunnels that caused the Great Flood ten years ago or so); partly 'cause the street level was raised en masse around the turn of the century sometime, resulting in (a) many buildings with up-a-small-flight-of-stairs entry ways that used to be the second floor, and their original first floor now half a basement apartment; (b) vaulted sidewalks, making an underground transport network in many areas originally. Al Capone and his bootlegging ilk found them VERY useful; and (c) far better sewer drainage, since given how flat-as-a-pancake the whole place is, the only way to get a decent slope in the sewer pipes was to raise the whole city.

(c) was the only intended side-effect, of course.

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