Back to previous post: Open thread 38

Go to Making Light's front page.

Forward to next post: Jeff VanderMeer dreams of Tor

Subscribe (via RSS) to this post's comment thread. (What does this mean? Here's a quick introduction.)

March 27, 2005

Posted by Teresa at 10:28 AM * 38 comments

The Flatiron piece has run in the Sunday New York Times. It’s a nice little story, mostly accurate, though I think the movie I mentioned was Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, not Spiderman.


Okay, and-there’s-a-glaring-typo-in-the-story-and-they-ran-the-picture-sideways. There. Not that it matters. And hey, they put in a live link to Making Light, which was generous and unexpected.

It’s just a newspaper. It’s just a little dab of a story. I don’t know why it should make me feel buzzed and fangirly to turn up in the NYTimes.

Tomorrow: fishwrap.

Comments on Timed:
#1 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 11:14 AM:

Woooo! The NYT!!!!

#2 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 11:19 AM:

Er... and more to the point, and less fangirlish, a very nice article with some serious inches devoted to you, sideways picture, typo or no :)

#3 ::: Lucy Huntzinger ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 11:36 AM:

I checked our copy of the paper, but it didn't make the National Edition. Boo! I read it online. Yay!

#4 ::: Larry Brennan ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 11:56 AM:

Hey, they got your name right! I think that's half the battle. And you were clearly the "who" of the 5 interrogatives. (Can't bear to use the letter by itself anymore...) And yes, the picture does look funny sideways. I also thought that the reporter's style was a bit choppy. It'll be interesting to see how much additional traffic it generates.

My former business partner and I were once interviewed by the Times about the businesses colonizing space that had been abandoned by the dot-bombs. It looked like we'd get a fair amount of press until I mentioned that our neihbors had brought in a shaman to cleanse the space. We still got a couple of paragraphs, but there was a whole two-column-with-photos feature devoted to the shaman. My business partner was *really* POed, although he did get his picture in the paper.

#5 ::: Thomas Nephew ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 12:11 PM:


#6 ::: JamesG ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 12:26 PM:

That's awesome. I am very happy for you.

#7 ::: Mac ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 01:08 PM:

tnh--how extremely fun! I'm off to read it online, now.

#8 ::: elizabeth bear ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 01:12 PM:

You know what they say--as long as they spell your name right, it doesn't matter if you were misquoted. *g* Or typoed at, for that matter.

#9 ::: Georgiana ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 01:39 PM:

It's a nice story and hopefully more people will grab bits of the terra cotta so less of it goes to waste. Buzzed and fangirly is a really good and fun response.

If you're like me and you can no longer remember your username and password "gaimanfan" (for both) still works to read the Times online.

#10 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 02:14 PM:

Teresa, you're being disingenous and silly. Of course you feel giggly and fangirly and buzzed. It's the New York Times. It's the Gray Lady. And she's chatting about you, you delightful person. For several inches. Whoo hoo indeed. It's very cool!

I will say, the photo makes the terra cotta bit look more like a book press than a book end. Did it run in the proper orientation in the paper itself?

#11 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 02:15 PM:

Oh--and don't forget that in the dreadful remake of Godzilla they shoot a missile at the beast which misses and goes straight into Tom's office. Made the whole movie for Claire and me.

#12 ::: Tiellan ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 02:35 PM:

As someone who frequently feels fangirly, I'm glad to see it happens to you too! And congrats.

#13 ::: Michael A. Burstein ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 02:54 PM:

Great appearance in the Times! Congratulations!

#14 ::: Andy Perrin ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 03:42 PM:

Muy coolo!

#15 ::: Mary Aileen Buss ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 03:58 PM:

Teresa: I think the movie I mentioned was Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, not Spiderman.

They probably thought--with good reason--that more people would be familiar with the latter.

And congratulations!

--Mary Aileen

#16 ::: Andy Perrin ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 06:32 PM:

Respectful of Otters was mentioned in the March 28th issue of Time. Congrats, Rivka!

#17 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2005, 08:27 PM:

How Totally Cool for you! Of course you're excited!

#18 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 12:55 AM:

Aha! Once you/Tor decide that you/Tor need a new burst of publicity, the obvious approach is to bring up the "work on the building has disturbed feng shui/ancient spirits/ley lines/fad of the moment and we need to have a cleansing/realignment/propitation/FotM to free our offices of the oppressive gloom/disturbances in The Force/poltergeist/Axis of Evil" story.

#19 ::: Kevin Marks ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 03:39 AM:

Our local indian buffet in SF sells a Fish Wrap. It's rather yummy, so I always order it when journalists visit.

I feel a Douglas Adams quote coming on again- my apologies; listening to 'Hitchhikers Tertiary Phase' and 'Douglas Adams at the BBC' has made me realise how much I miss him:

"Of course you can’t ‘trust’ what people tell you on the web anymore than you can ‘trust’ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do. For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can’t easily answer back – like newspapers, television or granite. Hence ‘carved in stone.’ What should concern us is not that we can’t take what we read on the internet on trust – of course you can’t, it’s just people talking – but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV – a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no ‘them’ out there. It’s just an awful lot of ‘us’."

#20 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 04:56 AM:

Cool! Congratulations!

By the way, I hope that you of all people will not take it amiss when I say that it's "Spider-Man" with a hyphen and a capital M.

#21 ::: Dan Hoey ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 07:23 AM:

Lucy Huntzinger: I checked our copy of the paper, but it didn't make the National Edition. Boo! I read it online. Yay!

A note that I read after paying $4.50 for the opportunity to verify the information personally. Very well, it's a lesson whose tuition does not pinch me, and the diploma does serve for wrapping fish. The crosswords were a fair diversion, too.

For those who get only an intro and an invitation to subscribe from Teresa's link, you can find the article with a search engine. Alternatively, you can subscribe for free, or use well-known subscription avoidance techniques, but I found this method preferable.

#22 ::: Valerie Emanuel ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 07:29 AM:

Congratulations, Teresa. No shame in feeling 'fangirly'.

My website was mentioned a few years ago in the very last line of an article that ran on pg 69 of the NY Post--my site rec'd 38,000 hits that day.

And the proud momma ordered a copy of the paper and has the article in her scrapbook. There you go.

#23 ::: Gigi Rose ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 09:45 AM:

Of all the times I've been quoted in the paper, I don't think it's all been right once. Even the articles or letters that I've sent in have been modified by an editor. This is par for the course.

First ML is mentioned in James Patrick Kelly's article "On the Net" in Asimov's and now the NYT! I wonder if it is going to get crowded around here.

#24 ::: Scorpio ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 10:22 AM:

Congratulations! May your hits not exceed both your bandwidth and your salaries!

#25 ::: jennie ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 01:16 PM:

Neat-o! Cool! Nifty!

Is that fangirly enough?

Congrats. It's a nice littler article, misquotes, sideways photo and all. At least the misquotes don't render you completely ditzy, as sometimes happens to other friends.

Congrats. The NYT! Wow.

#26 ::: Arwen ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 01:17 PM:


Hm, the copy I got didn't have any sideways pictures. Want me to save it? (Let's just hope Himself didn't take down the recycling.)

#27 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 01:18 PM:

Congrats! Didn't see it in the San Diego edition of the New York Times; might have been there, just didn't see it.

But -- if you get mentioned in TIME Magazine, you would be Timed. So weren't you actually Timesed? If one is mentioned in Hustler, has one been Hustled? Just wondering...

#28 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 02:12 PM:

Late news:

Franklin Mint has announced a line of Flatiron Building collectable Renovation Rubble.

Each piece comes with a numbered authenticity certificate confirming that the hand-painted collectable (molded from quality resinoid) is based on rubble from a genuine Flatiron Building dumpster.

#29 ::: Matt Austern ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2005, 11:12 PM:

Do people really still wrap fish in newspaper? I think I've seen it in the UK within the last few years, but I can't remember the last time I saw a US newspaper used for fishwrap.

#30 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 01:28 AM:

I'd guess not, unless you're really pinching pennies. (Of course, plenty of people pinch pennies.)

Newspaper does have lots of post-reading uses: Drying / polishing just washed windows. Covering a table before doing artsy-craftsy stuff. Packing. Absorbing grease when microwaving bacon (under a layer of paper towels).

#31 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 06:09 AM:

Matt Austern:

Yes. Because they've tried to wrap fish in a blog and it doesn't work because [fill in punchline here].

In a previous generation they tried another technology, and that didn't work either. I think it was called microfiche... [fill in punchline here].

#32 ::: mayakda ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 10:45 AM:

Oh, the picture of the books is sideways! I thought you needed to put something heavy on them to prevent their escape. :)
Cool article! You are so glitterati now!
*dons shades to keep from getting dazzled*

#33 ::: Alison Scott ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 11:47 AM:

I was delighted just to get a photo credit in the Tacoma News Tribune; I'm sure I'd expire with delight to be in the NYT.

Entirely unrelatedly, it struck me that you (or others here) might like this: Songs Rewritten as Bulleted Lists. I've just this second blogged it with my modest example.

#34 ::: Melissa Singer ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 02:26 PM:

Being in the Times _is_ fun, as long as you're in it for the right reasons (and still alive to see the article) . . . .

My daughter now thinks Teresa is even cooler than before (and says thanks for the last batch of rocks, which I carried around in my backpack for a couple of weeks before remembering to give them to her, my bad). The kid also swiped a piece of Flatiron debris from the dumpster when she visited on Friday, a little curved bit which is now on her bedside table at home.

#35 ::: Steff ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 03:06 PM:

Maybe it's not a typo.

I thought it's correct to spell it "pre.cisely" when you're trying to get people to read the "e" as a long "eee," for emphasis. Because hyphens are, well, less precise. Too casual.

#36 ::: HP ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 04:41 PM:

Jonathon: Fish wrap? I prefer to use blogs for sausage casing, because it's so much easier to make links.

Theresa: Congratulations on the article. You say that photo is sideways? I just assumed that you use bookends to keep stacks of books from floating away if the artificial gravity fails. (I may be confusing New York with New New York.)

#37 ::: Xopher (Christopher Hatton) ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2005, 05:06 PM:

I'd guess not, unless you're really pinching pennies. (Of course, plenty of people pinch pennies.)

I tried that, because I heard it was a way to save money. Not only didn't it save me any money, I bruised my fingertips.

#38 ::: Skwid ::: (view all by) ::: June 02, 2005, 04:18 PM:

In more recent Times-screwing-up-photos news, Anil Dash managed to get his photo in the Times WITH A FREAKIN' GOATSE SHIRT ON!.

He is now officially my hero-for-the-day.

Welcome to Making Light's comment section. The moderators are Avram Grumer, Jim Macdonald, Teresa & Patrick Nielsen Hayden, and Abi Sutherland. Abi is the moderator most frequently onsite. She's also the kindest. Teresa is the theoretician. Are you feeling lucky?

If you are a spammer, your fate is in the hands of Jim Macdonald, and your foot shall slide in due time.

Comments containing more than seven URLs will be held for approval. If you want to comment on a thread that's been closed, please post to the most recent "Open Thread" discussion.

You can subscribe (via RSS) to this particular comment thread. (If this option is baffling, here's a quick introduction.)

Post a comment.
(Real e-mail addresses and URLs only, please.)

HTML Tags:
<strong>Strong</strong> = Strong
<em>Emphasized</em> = Emphasized
<a href="">Linked text</a> = Linked text

Spelling reference:
Tolkien. Minuscule. Gandhi. Millennium. Delany. Embarrassment. Publishers Weekly. Occurrence. Asimov. Weird. Connoisseur. Accommodate. Hierarchy. Deity. Etiquette. Pharaoh. Teresa. Its. Macdonald. Nielsen Hayden. It's. Fluorosphere. Barack. More here.

(You must preview before posting.)

Dire legal notice
Making Light copyright 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 by Patrick & Teresa Nielsen Hayden. All rights reserved.