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May 17, 2005

Small technical note
Posted by Patrick at 08:06 AM * 17 comments

[Patrick here:] Anyone who’s had problems lately with innocuous comments being inexplicably rejected for “unacceptable content” should try again; I think I’ve weeded out the string that was causing it. Our apologies.

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#1 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 10:37 AM:

Thank you, Patrick.

The strange side effect for we innocuous commenters who were inexplicably rejected: we experienced the alternate reality into which the Relgious Right is attempting to project us. I self-edited through wave after wave of self-censorship, baffled that I was offending, reading offense into increasingly innocent words.

The most insidious form of censorship is self-censorship.

When the former Attorney General draped a cloth over the breasty statue of Justice, that was the last time that Justice was seen in Washington.

#2 ::: John Farrell ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 10:43 AM:

No problem...although for a few minutes there on Sunday morning I kept wondering, jeez...I didn't think my comments about James Blish were that offensive! :)

#3 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 10:45 AM:

Hmmm. I accidently omitted an "i" from "Relgious Right" above.

If thine i offends thee, pluck it out.

#4 ::: Zack ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 11:06 AM:

Speaking of technical glitches, from time to time when I try to load a comment thread, it will start rendering and then inexplicably switch to a blank white screen with only the words "Buy text ads on nielsenhayden.com" in blue. It seems to be more likely the longer the thread is. Turning off Javascript makes it not happen.

#5 ::: Xopher (Christopher Hatton) ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 11:16 AM:

When the former Attorney General draped a cloth over the breasty statue of Justice, that was the last time that Justice was seen in Washington.

I would say rather just before he did so...which I assume is what you meant.

#6 ::: JOH ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 11:28 AM:

Patrick -- can you spell out what you found and changed? I had a comment rejected for that same reason on a friend's photoblog this morning and I'll drop him a note if it applies...

#7 ::: Jonathan Shaw ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 04:53 PM:

JVP: The strange side effect for we innocuous commenters

Inspired by Paula Lieberman on another current thread, I ask if you would defend that use of "we", when the syntax police would insist on "us". (If your we offends you ...)

#8 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 08:35 PM:

Zack, I'm on Mozilla 1.7.2 and I can just click Back and get the right page.

#9 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: May 17, 2005, 08:59 PM:

Jonathan Shaw:

Thank you. I stand corrected. "The strange side effect for we, who are innocuous commenters" sounds right to me, instinctively, yet "The strange side effect for us" is clearly right.

Now that I'm confused, how about: "The strange side effect for us. We are innocuous commenters."

Well, at least I think that "innocuous" is correctly spelled. It is not easy.

The timestamp prevents me from claiming that I made my mistake in the wee-wee hours of the morning.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of the syntax police."

#10 ::: Zack ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 12:48 AM:

Marilee, for me that works about half the time; when it doesn't work, the browser shows the proper page briefly and then goes right back to the white screen with the blue commercial message.

#11 ::: Mary Aileen Buss ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 10:19 AM:

Marilee's fix usually works for me,too, but last night it took about 10 tries.

--Mary Aileen

#12 ::: Jules ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 02:10 PM:

I find it's more likely to work if you wait for the adverts to load completely before pressing back. Don't know why.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of the syntax police."

"As he was valiant, I honour him; but, as he misused the serial comma, I slew him."

#13 ::: Jonathan Shaw ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 05:01 PM:

Jonathan Vos Post:

At the risk of seeming ridiculous (in a teaching how to suck eggs way): the "us" is governed by the preposition "for" and so is (what in my school days we called) objective case; the "who"has "us" as its antecedent, but functions as the subject of the verb "are". In my mind the maths of it is straightforward.

#14 ::: Xopher (Christopher Hatton) ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 05:21 PM:

And isn't it "If thine i offend [not offends] thee"? Subjunctive, I believe.

mistake in the wee-wee hours of the morning

Those are things you write when you get up to pee, right?

In my mind the maths of it is straightforward.

Now THAT is interesting. I was aware that in UK and Australian usage 'maths', not 'math' is short for 'mathematics'. But I'd have thought it would take a plural verb agreement.

But that's stupid. 'Mathematics' doesn't. I'm just jerking my linguistic knee at the sight of something that looks plural.

#15 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 18, 2005, 10:21 PM:

If you turn off CSS (in Opera) you can avoid the problem with the page turning up blank (except for the ads). Unfortunately, that also removes formatting and decreases readablity.

I've only found this bug on Making Light, not on Electrolite, so I suspect it's something in Teresa's CSS.

#16 ::: Jules ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2005, 09:41 AM:

In my professional life as a web application programmer, I've never seen a problem like this caused by CSS.

I would suspect that Blog-ads' strange javascript, which contains a statement that writes more javascript into the page, is a more likely culprit. Its placement on the page is a possible source of the problem; it might be worth noting that it is at the start of Electrolite's source while at the end of Making Light's. If it were my site, I'd experiment by changing the placement of it on Making Light to match that of Electrolite and see if it solves the problem.

I'd guess disabling CSS works only by coincidence. Browsers can be finicky like that. I used to have a page where part of it didn't display in Internet Explorer unless you switched Javascript off. Even though there was no Javascript on the page...

#17 ::: Rob T. sees spam ::: (view all by) ::: December 29, 2009, 11:17 PM:

Excited to find it, too. (Or maybe just being the first.)

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