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August 22, 2005

We Get Letters
Posted by Patrick at 10:56 PM *

From: REAL Republican
To: pnh@panix.com
Date: Aug 22, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: ACLU Propoganda Hits TV- Anti-ACLU Movement Gains Steam

Making Light Staff,

In an effort to bring publicity to a movement that needs funding, support, and more members, I am bringing to you good news. The Stop the ACLU movement is gaining steam, with its major sites, www.stoptheaclu.org and www.stoptheaclu.com getting major recognition. Also, Stop the ACLU runs a major blog network, of which many blogs are a part of. I am attempting to contact as many major bloggers as possible to get the word out about one of the most recent developments on the Stop the ACLU Front, my Call to Action against a new ACLU TV series. My blog, REAL Teen, did a post calling for a massive email campaign to voice concerns over this new series, and we are making great strides to get this campaign up and running. My first post is at http://www.libertynewsforum.com/real/index.php/?p=81 and my update on the issue is at http://www.libertynewsforum.com/real/index.php/?p=92. We hope that you can either publish something in support of the Stop the ACLU movement on your site, or at least send us a response with your official comments on the ACLU and the Stop the ACLU movement. In light of reason developments, like the TV Series, which will attack the Patriot Act, the same act defending us against terror, in its first episode, we need to move as quickly as possible. I hope for a response as soon as possible.

Sincerely,
Justin (REAL Teen)

Comments on We Get Letters:
#1 ::: Xopher (Christopher Hatton) ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:12 PM:

I picture a dog barking at the base of a tree, while the fox sits in another tree...in quite another part of the forest, one the dog has never seen and indeed doubts the existence of.

I particularly liked "of which many blogs are a part of." It DOES make him sound like a real teen!

#2 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:17 PM:

Or a lawyer. Those sentences are so convoluted that I wanted to diagram them: lawyerspeak.

#3 ::: julia ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:17 PM:

Ifn he hadn't told you he was a REAL Teen, could you have worked it out?

#4 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:31 PM:

If I were running fundraising at the ACLU, I'd be sending that (through a faked email relay) to everyone on the mailing list.

#5 ::: Nabil ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:40 PM:

Hmm, utilizing your first amendment rights to try and bring down a group that tries to protect your first amendment rights.

Ironic, that.

#6 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:44 PM:

I'm suprised email from a REAL teen made it through your spam filter. Does he do web cam shows on the side ?

#7 ::: Andrew Willett ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:47 PM:

Independent of my feelings about the organization, which are vigorous and plentiful, can I just say that godalmighty that website is hideous?

#8 ::: Bob Oldendorf ::: (view all by) ::: August 22, 2005, 11:59 PM:

Well.

Thanks for reminding me to renew my membership.

#9 ::: mythago ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:26 AM:

PJ, those sentences are merely awkward. A real lawyer would make them five times as hard to understand. No, this is an amateur.

#10 ::: Sundre ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:45 AM:

Oh, my. Really reason developments?

#11 ::: Heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:49 AM:

My favorite bit is when he misspells propaganda. Like doing a chauvinist stand-up routine at Smith College.

P.S. Why did you leave the links intact? Seems like a waste of google mojo.

#12 ::: Steve Eley ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:49 AM:

I for one am proud to see this REAL Teen speaking out and letting us know how many REAL Teens there are. Generic store-brand teens are never as tasty, and you know they're at least 50% soybean filling.

#13 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:04 AM:

"An actively political teen’s view on how Liberalism is destroying America"

Huh? An actively political teen...as opposed to all those passively political teens? And that's a REAL teen, right? Pfui.

#14 ::: Bill Humphries ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:07 AM:

Man, that astroturf reeks of solvents. Didn't anyone tell them you have to let it air out before sending it?

#15 ::: Kylni ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:14 AM:

Relatively new lurker here, just chiming in: that letter's really... well, I suppose it really does speak for itself.

Also, I have to agree, that website's horrendous. Haphazard layout aside, my favorite bit is the heading "The only group combating the ACLU in all non-legal areas." Close behind, though, are the wide use of the word 'thru' in the About Us section and the lovely pyramid scheme reasoning on the front page.

I also got a laugh out of, "You may or may not know that the ACLU visits college campuses across America to recruit young impressionable minds to their evil agenda."

Overall, though, I think I'm a little too scared to look at the rest of the site.

#16 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:34 AM:

"What!"

"Main web site turn on."

"It's you!"

REAL Teen:
"How are ACLU gentlemen.
All your blog are belong to us.
ACLU are on the way to destruction.
ACLU have no chance to survive make your time.
Ha Ha Ha Ha."

(with apologies to all...)

#17 ::: sennoma ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:45 AM:

Oy. That makes me glad I joined.

#18 ::: Randolph Fritz ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:00 AM:

...it is live, or is it satire?

#19 ::: Maribeth ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:16 AM:

Or, is it a phish-hook for catching indignant liberals...?

I'm using a new browser, hadn't blocked pop-ups yet, and therefore, having clicked on the stoptheaclu.org link, I am now sharing my screen with an animated uke-playing hula doll espousing Childrens (sic) computer software cheap.

#20 ::: Dave Luckett ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:34 AM:

I have no right whatsoever to an opinion on this matter, so I haven't got one. But I cannot imagine a more effective demolition of a political position than this, simply to publish without comment the confused and semiliterate propaganda of its proponents.

#21 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:49 AM:

Is that what the result is crossing a Nigerian spammer with a Karl Rove wannabee?

#22 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 03:09 AM:

From the "About us" section:

"... His background is varied which includes a degree in Biblical studies."

I presume that had an emphasis in the Old Testament.

#23 ::: Randy Bush ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 04:03 AM:

while this is easy to ridicule, it is very scary. as the rabid right gets net.heavy, the 'noise machine' (good book that) will seriously muddy the water.

#24 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 04:49 AM:

I was thinking about the ACLU earlier today:

"Hmm. I'm an American. I try to be civil (usually) to other people. I'm in favor in Liberty. And I belong to my union at work. Maybe I should join."

#25 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 05:25 AM:

linkmeister:

why old testament? what the heck did we* do?

*(the jews)

#26 ::: Niall McAuley ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 06:40 AM:

Miriam, Christians who quote from the Old Testament a lot are usually trawling it for soundbites which neither the New Testament's Jesus nor modern Jews would say. Kill homosexuals, subjugate women, beat your children, smite God's enemies, bomb the Olympics, that sort of stuff.

While there are a number of iffy quotes from Jesus and especially Paul in the NT, taking chunks of the OT literally and ignoring scholarly dicussions of them gives more scope for finding supposed justifications for hatred and fear.

#27 ::: Tim Hall ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 07:29 AM:

There was a major infestation of these wingnuts a few months back on Blogcritics.org, a major music and culture group blog to which I used to contribute before the bad smell from the politics section became unbearable.

I'm not quite sure what Eric Olsen, the site's owner, was thinking when he suddenly recruited 50 Christo-Qutbist loons. A lot of ridiculous 'Stop the ACLU blogburst' boilerplate spam postings was the result.

#28 ::: Metal Fatigue ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:13 AM:

Please verify my sketchy understanding of the word "blogburst," Tim. They posted boilerplate spam about how the ACLU was going to post boilerplate spam?

Do these guys do anything but project?

#29 ::: Mark D. ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:18 AM:

On the bright side: he/they are vigorously opposed to seat belts as well. Natural selection at work!

#30 ::: history_geek ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:28 AM:

Wha---

I don't think my brain can take it.

#31 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 09:02 AM:

How did you wind up on his mailing list, Patrick? Every so often, my wife gets junk snail-mail and e-mail from various wingnut outfits. We figured that her fate was sealed when she went on the web and bought me the George W. Bush Action Figure. (Whom I've been thinking of placing between my Creature from the Black Lagoon and my Outer Limits's Ebonite Inquisitor.)

#32 ::: Daniel H. Alvarez ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 09:06 AM:

/delurk

Hmmmm... let me see if I understand the basic premise here...

Our founding fathers really, truly wanted to found a fundamentalist evangelical xtian nation run by a theocracy, and somehow got all confused -- or were corrupted by minions of the Flying Spaghetti Monster -- during the Revolution and wrote up that pesky Bill of Rights, which is promoted at every opportunity by the evil forces of the ACLU, so we need to get rid of the ACLU in order to get rid of the Bill of Rights so that we can get back to what our Founding Fathers really truly wanted.

Is that it?

#33 ::: tom p ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 09:06 AM:

"ACLU of Louisiana, your director's [picture of a goose] is COOKed!

Want to read another pun on the ACLU? Click the News & Links page and scroll part way down."

I, er... no. No, I don't.

Please don't make me read the puns.

#34 ::: Keith ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 10:36 AM:

And Mr. REAL teen is defending the USAPatriot Act, probably the most lothesome and hated piece of legislation since the Volstead Act. No small battles for those REAL teens. When they shoot, they shoot the moon. At least we can say he doesn't have an y self esteme ishues.

#35 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 10:38 AM:

I wonder how far down in the list of Major Bloggers this REAL Teen thinks you are?

#36 ::: Daniel Martin ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 10:54 AM:

See, I read that and all I got was:

"blah blah blah blah new ACLU tv series. blah blah blah..."

So I'm thinking "the ACLU has a TV series now? Cool!"

Too bad it'll probably only be available on cable.

#37 ::: theophylact ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:13 AM:

Having taken a proper gander at this piece of spam, I'm glad I re-upped with the ACLU (been a member now for over forty years, though my wallet's too full of other junk for me to be a card-carrying one).

#38 ::: Mary Dell ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:26 AM:

Here's a pun you'll want to share with others.

Oh, goody!

#39 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:33 AM:

And 'stoptheACLU.org' has really bad HTML code too. (I like to "view source" to see what they're not telling me.)

#40 ::: Jon Sobel ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:34 AM:

Some months ago I got a call from a New York State congressman's office inviting me to a Bush fundraising event. I blogged about it here. The other day they called again. Somehow my "business" phone number got on their list awhile back, and presumably will be on it forever. These things happen all the time...

#41 ::: Laura Roberts ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:35 AM:

I also want to learn more about the ACLU TV series. Like, who's starring? Is it a sitcom?

The story possibilities are certainly endless.

#42 ::: Tim Hall ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:42 AM:

Metal Fatigue: Perhaps "spam" isn't the word, but there were a whole lot of postings on the same site with very similar content posted on the same day.

I don't know how many of them there are; "John Bambernek" and "Randy Kirk" (on Blogcritics) may or may not be sock puppets for the same guy.

#43 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:51 AM:

The Gnurrs Crawl from the Woodwork Out.... I have no idea how I got put on the Concerned Women of America paper mailing list, years ago. One of the members even called me up one day, on one of their pressure group crusades, that militantly against homosexual males males as school teachers. (They seem not to have any interest in noticing that pederasty against boys and homosexuality in males aren't an identity relationships....) The woman calling was Very Concerned that homosexual males not be school teachers because they would then have access to little boys to rape. Pointing out that sexual predation on children and homosexuality are not the same thing, didn't really elicit cogitation in her.

However, I did get through to her it sounded like, when I said, "What about heterosexual males who rape little girls, aren't you worried about that? What's so much worse about little boys being raped than little girls being raped?"

"Gee, I never though about that," she said in that tone of voice used by people who seem to have their heads used more for hat racks that premeditated cogitation on topics outside the daily routine patterns of activity ("thought" might be too generous a term, as opposed to automatic conditioned response and procedure).

Note: Concerned Women of America is the offspring of one Bev(erly) LaHaye, wife of Tim(othy) LaHaye, yeah, -him-. One of the CWA newsletters which showed up in my mailbox had a column by her of how she had been giving up so much and had been getting discouraged spending her time in Washingon DC as a s/p/e/c/i/a/l i/n/t/e/r/e/s/t/ p/r/e/s/s/u/r/e/ g/r/o/u/p lobbyist and was away for months and months and months and month from her Family, but that then progress on her crusade suddenly started being made again and she was feeling again that it was worthwhile to be there in DC....

Yup, one of those hyporcrites, a person who stands up in public advocating a way of life for everyone else that the person themself does not follow--but justifies as being so self-abnegating and being a martyr and sacrificing their life for their values-=-which of course they are not living.

I'd expect that the Real Teen is heavily tied into one or more organizations like or affilitiated with Concerned Women of America, Eagle Forum, the Center for Military Readiness [the Schlafly protege's fake think tank which is a one note screed organization fed by federal money, bad cess to the ideologues in the government funding the screeder, founded on the idea of banning women from the US military--except as the typing pool--and from combat, etc., but somehow not caring in the -least- about the plight of civilian women caught in combat zones and hostile fire and crossfire who have been taught that the only survival skill and knowledge to be bestowed on women, is how to be a dependent on males--sounds like Taliban USA style to me...), etc.

#44 ::: Kip W ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:37 PM:

The important thing is, it's not a death threat if it's in the form of a rebus. Similarly, they're not un-American if they present their views as interpretive dance, and I'm not calling them a couchload of pathetic dickwads if I put it in the form of a question, am I?

#45 ::: Jacob Lefton ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:44 PM:

Dear Bravenewfilms.com
I know some people are sending hate mail about the ACLU’s show, but I want to thank you for supporting our civil liberties. This sort of support is extremely commendable! Thank you for holding true American values close at heart.
-Jacob

#46 ::: Faisal N. Jawdat ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:45 PM:

When I receive creatively spelled mail from someone claiming to be a "real" teen I generally assume the author is not only a bit of a whore, but also a middle aged guy on a corporate payroll.

#47 ::: Christopher B. Wright ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:46 PM:

The ACLU has a show? Seriously? You'd think they'd mention it to their card-carrying members, but noooo...

#48 ::: Christopher B. Wright ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 12:50 PM:

Also, the only time I get spam from people claiming to be "real teens," um... let's just say it's not the kind of mail I'd put on a blog. So Making Light gets a higher grade of vacuity than I do...

#49 ::: Aconite ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:02 PM:

No, no, dears. Not "real teen." "REAL Teen." Just ponder the subtle differences. You could ponder for hours. He probably did.

#50 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:07 PM:

You just made me realize something, Christopher... It's been a long time since I got any spam about barnyard animals and Britney Spears. I wonder why that is. Then again, maybe I DON'T want to know.

#51 ::: Luthe ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:12 PM:

Dan Alvarez

You're a fellow FSMist? Hail, brother, in the name of His Holy Meatballs!

On a slightly more on-topic note, am I the only one who feels that the author of this e-mail should have his keyboard taken away until he has a better grasp of English grammar?

In light of reason developments, like the TV Series, which will attack the Patriot Act, the same act defending us against terror, in its first episode, we need to move as quickly as possible.

Under the Patriot Act, can I arrest and detain him indefinitely for crimes again the comma?

#52 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:33 PM:

Luthe

That's the one I particularly felt the need to diagram. Somehow the clauses felt, um, disordered. Or maybe disorderly. The last time I saw a sentence that bad that I was expected to read, it was in a "graduation writing test", in college, where I had the choice of four wrong answers to "fix" it.

#53 ::: julia ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:42 PM:

Oh, CWA fills me with delight. They had this third-rank country singer as their president for a while, but she disagreed with the Focus on the Family position on judges, so they bagged her and she got hired here

I assume she's currently at liberty.

#54 ::: julia ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:44 PM:

Sandy Rios, by the way, is the lady in question.

#55 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:48 PM:

Miriam: "why old testament? what the heck did we* do?"

Niall McAuley followed my train of thought pretty well. I was thinking of the Left Behind authors' school of Biblical study, or perhaps the school that influenced Pat Robertson when he announced the other day that Hugo Chavez should be assassinated.

#56 ::: Tom Womack ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:55 PM:

It's enough to make me join the ACLU.

However, I'm not in any sense American.

Would they mind; would it help? Or is the USA getting to the stage where it's a valuable political point to portray your opponents as reliant on foreign lucre?

[yes, I know, http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/ is a similar organisation and on my own continent; but whilst the government dislikes it, it doesn't appear to have made that kind of enemy]

#57 ::: Michelle K ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 01:55 PM:

Christopher B. Wright:
The ACLU has a show? Seriously? You'd think they'd mention it to their card-carrying members, but noooo...

Do you get the e-mail updates and newsletters from the ACLU? That's where I read about it. Forwarded it onto my mom who hasn't joined the ACLU because for years she thought you had to be a lawyer to join. (Don't ask.)

#58 ::: Spectre ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:20 PM:

Shouldn't he have to be able to spell something correctly before he can declare war on it? Come to think of it, that might be a good rule for W to follow.

#59 ::: Naomi Libicki ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:34 PM:

Linkmeister:

I was thinking of the Left Behind authors' school of Biblical study

I have not in fact read the books in question, but I was under the impression that they are based, to the extent that they are based on any biblical text, on Revelations, which is not in the Old Testament.

#60 ::: Wrye ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:35 PM:

...bomb the Olympics, that sort of stuff...

You know, the Olympics were around at the time of the Old Testament, so you could almost imagine a prohibition on nekkid discus slipping in there...

#61 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 02:58 PM:

"You'd think they'd mention it to their card-carrying members, but noooo..."

You have to be a Grand Potentate of the Fifth Circle to even know about the ACLU TV show. Getting there requires you to burn a flag, disarm a redneck, shtup a goat of the same gender, and force local schools to accept Zoroastrians as students.

And even then you won't be able to watch the show, because you need a special TV that gets Channel 1 and runs on 173 volt, 666 Hz current produced by five-bladed windmills that produce horrible screaming noises when they spin.

* * *

Um, but seriously, I haven't heard of this show either. OTOH, I routinely toss out every ACLU mailing I get, except the first one in November, which I use to mail in my annual donation.

For all I know, those tossed mailers may have everything I needed to know about this show.

#62 ::: Cat Eldridge ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 03:44 PM:

Using Whois, I looked up who owns the domain. It's a real estate agent named Dale Archdekin in Kansas. Nothing much about him on the net, but there's a lot of odd nutcases out there. We had a neo-nazi send us a review of A White Power CD.

#63 ::: Christopher B. Wright ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 03:49 PM:

Do you get the e-mail updates and newsletters from the ACLU? That's where I read about it.

Ah. I suspect the culprit is my over-eager spam filter...

#64 ::: SG ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 04:05 PM:

The Left Behind books are fueled by premillenial dispensationalism, a wacky American heresy. The primary inspiration is the Book of Revelation, but it also relies heavily on re-interpreting other passages (particularly prophecies) from the Old and New Testament.

There is definitely a brand of Christian fundamentalism that focuses entirely on the King James Old Testament, ignoring both Jesus and rabbinical commentary. They may just have issues with shellfish, or they may be shooting for the 'doctrinal sweet spot'.

#65 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 04:21 PM:

There is definitely a brand of Christian fundamentalism that focuses entirely on the King James Old Testament, ignoring both Jesus and rabbinical commentary.

There's a church of this persuasion in my area: the King James version is the Only Authorized Version; God is a Loving Father; the Ten Commandments are the laws you have to follow; you have to Accept Jesus as Your Personal Lord and Savior. (caps mine, but it's their emphasis)

Failure to go along with these in any way means you get to spend eternity someplace very warm. (Never mind salvation by faith, or doing good works: these people are for direct, personal salvation only.)

That there are some contradictions involved doesn't seem to slow them down.

#66 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 05:39 PM:

Failure to go along with these in any way means you get to spend eternity someplace very warm.

What, the Grand Caymans?

#67 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 05:56 PM:

You get your lifespan extended indefinitely due to steady medical science improvements, but consequently must deal first with global warming and then with the sun's expansion into a red giant. That can ruin a whole eon.

#68 ::: Dave Bell ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 05:59 PM:

What, the Grand Caymans?

You mean like in 21st Century Fox?

#69 ::: The Moth Man ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 07:23 PM:

Stop the ACLU? what a dumbass. Who is gunna fight for his rights when they're taken away?

The ACLU is the first line of defense, the NRA the second line. :)

#70 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:14 PM:

You have staff?

#71 ::: Paul ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:42 PM:

I can't help being reminded of A Man For All Seasons, for some reason...

"Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"

#72 ::: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:55 PM:

Cat Eldridge writes:

Using Whois, I looked up who owns the domain. It's a real estate agent named Dale A r c h d e k i n in Kansas. Nothing much about him on the net, but there's a lot of odd nutcases out there.

That's the owner of the stoptheaclu dot com domain. This person also owns the dot net. The dot org domain, also mentioned, is owned by one N e d d K a r e i v a of Chicago, who has left a much wider footprint. You can learn his opinions about gambling in Illinois, Terri Schiavo, mandatory seatbelt laws, and Scrabble tournaments with a little googling. (I don't mean to imply that he's an odd nutcase.)

#73 ::: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 08:58 PM:

Mea culpa. Spelling error: the name is N e d d K a r e i v a. So much for previewing.

(Any chance the Moderator can fix this?)


[Done. -- JDM]

#74 ::: pericat ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 09:46 PM:

Dale A r c h d e k i n

Boy, does that look like an alias. Though given the quality (quantity?) of nutcase-ism present in the original missive, it may well be a personal choice as ratified by a local judge.

why old testament? what the heck did we* do?

Remember all the stuff about begating and smiting? You* failed to retain the services of a qualified editor. Wilfully, it would appear.

* the jews**

** in the lightest, most general sense possible

#75 ::: Larry Brennan ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 10:10 PM:

Stefan Jones: And even then you won't be able to watch the show, because you need a special TV that gets Channel 1 and runs on 173 volt, 666 Hz current produced by five-bladed windmills that produce horrible screaming noises when they spin.

Where do I get one? Are the horrible screaming noises the moans of the damned, or merely the sound of Dominionists trying to think critically?

I do need to toss the ACLU a few more bucks - they lost track of me during my recent nomadic ways and have yet to triangulate on my new digs in the Emerald City. Or Jet City. Or Rain City. (The body politic seems to have commitment issues w/r/t nicknames up here.)

#76 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 10:51 PM:
I was thinking of the Left Behind authors' school of Biblical study...
I wasn't aware of their Biblical study school (of course not surprised here), but apparently, they--or at least, one of them--also offer(s) writing lessons. True. Just in case your lifetime dream was to be a really, really good writer, just like Jenkins and LaHaye.

(With apologies to Fred, who said it first.)

#77 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2005, 11:36 PM:

"Are the horrible screaming noises the moans of the damned, or merely the sound of Dominionists trying to think critically?"

You know those big, loud, dumb movies where, when they want a scene to seem extra dramatic and portentous, they have people chanting in Latin along with the music? I figure it would sound like that, except the chanters would be dancing on hot coals.

#78 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 12:49 AM:

pericat,
oh, they're blaming us for his run-on sentences. that's allright then.

i definitely own to displaying that part of my heritage/education from time to time, perhaps not now, but if i was really in the mood (i am not currently in the mood because i just had a few misadventures trying to fry frozen pierogies, also my right knee is suddenly gone all wonky), i'm sure i could bang out a doozy for you, through all the smoke.

#79 ::: Martin Wisse ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 04:46 AM:

Which reminds me of the blogads you sometimes see even on still reasonably sensible rightwing blogs for ACLU = Commies t-shirts, usually modelled by a somewhat vacant and artificial looking "hottie".

It's like one of those logic puzzles James T. Kirk used to blow up mainframes with: does not compute.

#80 ::: Jay ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 11:31 AM:

The dog and tree analogy is good. We are small at this point, but we are growing. Thanks for the link.

#81 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 03:00 PM:

I've been wondering since this was first posted if you really meant to give them those live links?

I suspect Making Light may have enough blog weight to boost their Google rank noticeably, which is probably all they were after in the first place; given that, they don't care if you think they're a pack of morons. As Oscar Wilde said (at least in Monty Python) "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

#82 ::: Anarch ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 03:51 PM:

When I receive creatively spelled mail from someone claiming to be a "real" teen I generally assume the author is not only a bit of a whore, but also a middle aged guy on a corporate payroll.

Ah, but he's not a "real" teen, he's a "REAL teen". All the difference in the world. I'm sure.

#83 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 04:19 PM:

Maybe it is an acronym?

Republican
Evangelical
All-American
Liberty-Loving

Or perhaps it is a list of virtuous avatars . . .

The Steadfastness of *R*ush
The Life-Lovingness of *E*ric Rudolph
The Crusaderfullness of *A*nn Coulter
The Orneryness of Trent *L*ott

. . . and when Young Republican paperboy Justin Batson says the word formed by their names out loud he becomes. . .

. . . another damn chickenhawk!

#84 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 05:43 PM:

miriam, if you're frying the pierogies in a regular frying pan, you need a spatter shield. They're really best deep-fried.

#85 ::: Leslie ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 06:36 PM:

Stefan,

I also thought REAL might well be an acronym in which R=Republican, but I hadn't come up with possibilities for the rest of it. Yours seems quite likely, if it is an acronym.

#86 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 06:42 PM:

Actually, since it's "REAL Republican," R probably wouldn't stand for Republican, because that would be redundant and a mistake as well, and we all know that Republicans are never in error or mistaken, or unnecessarily redundant as well.

Maybe it stands for "Registered-as-a-concientious-
objector-just-in-case."

#87 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 07:09 PM:

Right-wing
Eunuch
And
Loser

Republican

#88 ::: Sean Bosker ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 07:45 PM:

Rabid
Extremist
Against
Liberals

#89 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 24, 2005, 09:59 PM:

marilee, i thought it was best to fry them in butter? usually you don't deep fry in butter, cause of the expense & the low smoking point....

it's been awhile since i made pierogies from scratch, so i don't remember what my recipe says, but these pierogies-in-a-box said specifically not to deep fry them.

#90 ::: Richard Silverstein ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 04:04 AM:

Thanks, Julia for linking to my post about Yechiel Eckstein & his Jewish mission to the evangelicals, which has a passage about Sandy Rios. Should anyone want to peer into her twisted brain a bit take a look at this from my post (a quotation from a NYT article):

"Throughout this conversation, Rios was clearly eager to join in. And as soon as there was a pause in the discussion, she did. ‘’You know,'’ she said, ‘’the truth is, Christians do want to convert Jews.'’

Eckstein and Mamo exchanged glances. ‘’Not by some bait-and-switch trick,'’ she said. ‘’But we believe it’s part of God’s plan.'’ Eckstein winced the way he had when Pastor Munsey called him a born-again Christian.

‘’Anyway,'’ Rios said, ‘’we love Jews, notwithstanding their rudeness and hatred for us.'’"

Eckstein canned her just about immediately I'd say.

#91 ::: pericat ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 12:27 PM:

I've always boiled frozen pierogies till thawed, then fried them in butter.

#92 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 12:58 PM:

I sautee onions in butter while boiling the perogies, then shove the onions aside and transfer the perogies to the frying pan to brown a little.

Served with saurkraut on the side, of course.

#93 ::: Jedi Squire ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 01:50 PM:


"REAL Teen", eh?

Nice to see that Jeff Gannon found himself a new job.

#94 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 05:22 PM:

Parochial digression alert ...

Tom (Womack): the problem with Liberty (formerly the National Council for Civil Liberties) here in the UK is that about twenty years ago the organization was hijacked for use as a career ladder by a group of very bright proto-Blairistas, many of whom subsequently made it into parliament and even junior ministerial positions. It is the kiss of death for a campaigning civil liberties organization to operate a revolving door with a party of government: prior to 1997 the damage wasn't obvious on the outside, but when the NCCL's national executive came out supporting the illiberal agenda of Jack Straw when he was Home Secretary, the writing was on the wall.

(There's a lesson here for American supporters of the ACLU -- do not allow your organization to become aligned with the Democrats, now matter how tempting the short-term bemefits may seem, because if the Democrats end up as the party of government again the ACLU will become seen as a convenient promotion ladder for activists at the expense of its ability to criticize the governing party.)

If you want to do something useful in the UK, a good start might be to look at Danny O'Brien's goal of setting up a British equivalent of the EFF. Then work outward from there.

#95 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 05:52 PM:

I usually buy the Mrs. T's Pierogies and they can now go directly into the frying pan or the deep fryer. I don't use a deep fryer, I just step away from the stove when I put them in with tongs. (And then the cleaning lady gets to deal with the flung oil.)

The old Mrs. T's said you had to boil them first for anything.

While I fry them I mash some avocado, mix in a bit of salt, and use that as a dip.

#96 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 06:38 PM:

Charlie:

Ha-ha! Having been pretty involved with the ACLU here in Hawaii, I think I can assure you that the Democratic Party will not touch the ACLU with a ten-foot pole. They might wave said pole threateningly at us, to prove they are "middle-of-the-road" and not affiliated with dangerous un-American concepts such as liberty. After all, this is the country where a presidential candidate could be denounced as "a card-carrying member of the ACLU."

Mainly though, I would say the Democrats, like the Republicans, just don't get the whole idea. Rights? U.S. Constitution? [blank stare] You mean the ACLU is not a government agency of some kind? [dazed confusion]

#97 ::: Pat Greene ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 08:32 PM:

Um, SG, you *do* know that godhatesshrimp.com is satire, right?

I know the guy whose idea it was. He was objecting to the way certain Christian homophobes selectively used Leviticus to bolster their hatred, and photoshopped a photo of a guy with a "God Hates Fags" into "God Hates Shrimp." A friend of his created the website, including the wicked bumper stickers. (My favorite: "When Jesus Died, He was wearing a crown of thorns, not a lobster bib")

#98 ::: Alex Cohen ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2005, 10:17 PM:

The dog and tree analogy is good. We are small at this point, but we are growing. Thanks for the link.

I'm not sure whether this counts as spam (his name links to stoptheaclu.com) or just utterly, utterly clueless.

#99 ::: Dale Archdekin ::: (view all by) ::: December 28, 2005, 10:02 AM:

pericat:Dale A r c h d e k i n
Boy, does that look like an alias. Though given the quality (quantity?) of nutcase-ism present in the original missive, it may well be a personal choice as ratified by a local judge.

I can tell you that is not an alias. I am his son. I am an artist/designer living on the east coast, in a city, with artist/designer friends some gay some not. Most of us have not seen the inside of a church since the last wedding we attended. Everyone I know voted against the current president, and a lot of us said we were moving to Canada after the results (that never happened though)
Sadly folks, he believes all of those things found on that site. It is truly amazing, people with that type of mentality honestly see things differently. I have noticed this fundamental difference between he and I on a number of occasions. Something trivial can happen,and his perception of that event will be the polar opposite of my own. All family grievences aside, those thoughts and feelings he expresses on that site are unfortunatly true to his person. The REALLY scary part is there are millions of americans who agree.
Just my $.02
Dale (III)

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